JMart's chance of racing Indianapolis?

jorgechavez 3/12/2017 1:54pm
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They probably won't do it, but I don't see why they wouldn't. He's probably going to end up racing SX on a Honda 450 next year anyway. I doubt he could get second anywhere else but I do believe he could get a top 5 and definitely top 10 almost every week. Actually I lied, the only reason I can see them not doing it is fear of him getting hurt, so I guess I don't really blame them, he's had some big crashes this year.
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It is amazing the difference of treatment on this board regarding 2 450 newcomers: Webb finishes 2nd and is considered as God's child and next MC...
It is amazing the difference of treatment on this board regarding 2 450 newcomers: Webb finishes 2nd and is considered as God's child and next MC, while Martin has 2 national titles, proved some sx (and bad starts) skills, finish 2nd at the biggest race of the year in 450 after the Mxdn, then it is like "well yeah it is not that bad". How many will be butt hurt again when Martin run down Webb again during the Nationals?
I just dont see Jmart getting the credit for how great a rider he really is. I do see Webb getting A LOT of credit for what a great rider he is. JMart cant get a break in SX. But if you look at his 2 seasons where he won his Championships, he would ROUTINELY run down Webb on the exact same bike. For two years Webb had NOTHING for Jeremy. Web hopped on a 450 for other races, killed it, and Webb is now the up coming star. Right now, you put Jeremy on a 450, he not only beats Mookie, but beats Webb and beats everyone except the top 3 to 5 guys every weekend, outdoors that is.

I have spoken.


Oh, and Honda better pull their head out of their ass, Roxzen got a 50% chance (at best) to EVER getting back to where he was prior to his crash. I would be all over Martin to fill that seat.
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Question wrote:
It is amazing the difference of treatment on this board regarding 2 450 newcomers: Webb finishes 2nd and is considered as God's child and next MC...
It is amazing the difference of treatment on this board regarding 2 450 newcomers: Webb finishes 2nd and is considered as God's child and next MC, while Martin has 2 national titles, proved some sx (and bad starts) skills, finish 2nd at the biggest race of the year in 450 after the Mxdn, then it is like "well yeah it is not that bad". How many will be butt hurt again when Martin run down Webb again during the Nationals?
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How many SX titles does Webb have? Martin? Webb beat him outdoors too....
Webb has been better so far in SX, but SX regional titles in 250 don't translate always into 450 titles, i.e. Barcia and CP. I feel they are equally talented but just 1 gets all the hype. Martin outdoor proved to be as fast or faster. On the new CRF, in the nationals I would place him 3rd, slightly in front of Musquin, Baggett, then Webb and Anderson. In 250, with the older Crf, i dont see him having an easy way for a 3rd championship with Osborne, AC, Ferrandis, and Hill. In 450 SX, with starts, possibly top 6 top 12. Finishing the 250 coast may make everyone happier. I mean there is not much to lose for Honda and Martin could have Geico all over his gear. That would even make more room for Loretta's winners.
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How does seely feel getting beat by a one time race rookie?

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Malcolm never had a 450 deal in place, he had a 250 Supercrss-only contract for one year.
ah, thanks for clarifying.
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That's exactly what I was thinking last night. If this was a conventional SX race I doubt he finishes anywhere near the podium IMO.
ok, I dont get this comment at all (and others in this thread in a similar vein)...its well known that Daytona is one of the most toughest SX races, and now because he got 2nd in his debut that its because Daytona isnt a normal SX track, and he wouldnt do well on a 'normal' SX track....WTF????
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coastlinecascot wrote:
How does seely feel getting beat by a one time race rookie?
You know, I was thinking exactly the same thing.....
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kiwifan wrote:
ok, I dont get this comment at all (and others in this thread in a similar vein)...its well known that Daytona is one of the most...
ok, I dont get this comment at all (and others in this thread in a similar vein)...its well known that Daytona is one of the most toughest SX races, and now because he got 2nd in his debut that its because Daytona isnt a normal SX track, and he wouldnt do well on a 'normal' SX track....WTF????
Dude... because the sample size looks like, he's a two time national champ who twice has raced Daytona, and done great. Who'd have thought right?

The other three years of SX has been a fucking shit show. He's a two time national champ who has failed to qualify for mains as many time as he has won them.

He might be one of the most lopsided champ in the sport's history.
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J-Mart || Daytona 2017

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sgrimmxdad 3/13/2017 2:42am
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ctbale wrote:
I just dont see Jmart getting the credit for how great a rider he really is. I do see Webb getting A LOT of credit for...
I just dont see Jmart getting the credit for how great a rider he really is. I do see Webb getting A LOT of credit for what a great rider he is. JMart cant get a break in SX. But if you look at his 2 seasons where he won his Championships, he would ROUTINELY run down Webb on the exact same bike. For two years Webb had NOTHING for Jeremy. Web hopped on a 450 for other races, killed it, and Webb is now the up coming star. Right now, you put Jeremy on a 450, he not only beats Mookie, but beats Webb and beats everyone except the top 3 to 5 guys every weekend, outdoors that is.

I have spoken.


Oh, and Honda better pull their head out of their ass, Roxzen got a 50% chance (at best) to EVER getting back to where he was prior to his crash. I would be all over Martin to fill that seat.
Maybe you didn't watch last year, but Webb started out hurt. He straight up beat JMart and AMart... You talk about the years before that but how many years had Martin been in the class before Webb? You are talking about a partial year then Webbs first full rookie season. Apples to Oranges...

Webb has got it done on both sides of the sport... Again how many SX titles does Martin have? How many SX races has martin failed to qualify for?

Martin is a beast outside, not taking that away. He doesn't compare to Cooper inside IMO... Far as outdoors this year or next we will see. Blue vs red... I got my money on #2!
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mxadam579 3/13/2017 5:47am
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There should be a comparison between Martin and JLAW both got a 2nd at Daytona
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I feel most of you re missing the point. If he has some sort of confidence why not try to go to Indianapolis and try to change everyone's opinion of him, maybe he's better at supercross on a 450 and only one way to find out...
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sgrimmxdad wrote:
Maybe you didn't watch last year, but Webb started out hurt. He straight up beat JMart and AMart... You talk about the years before that but...
Maybe you didn't watch last year, but Webb started out hurt. He straight up beat JMart and AMart... You talk about the years before that but how many years had Martin been in the class before Webb? You are talking about a partial year then Webbs first full rookie season. Apples to Oranges...

Webb has got it done on both sides of the sport... Again how many SX titles does Martin have? How many SX races has martin failed to qualify for?

Martin is a beast outside, not taking that away. He doesn't compare to Cooper inside IMO... Far as outdoors this year or next we will see. Blue vs red... I got my money on #2!
Not this year...Martin is 250, Webb is 450.
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Ted722 3/13/2017 11:22am
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I think Honda and Martin should take advantage of this opportunity and put Martin on the 450 for outdoors. He's already won (2) 250 championships, is likely to go to a 450 full time next year, and showed he can ride a 450 with the best of them at Daytona. No better way to get ready for 2018 than getting more seat time on that 450 for 4 months outdoors.
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kiwifan 3/13/2017 12:42pm
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kiwifan wrote:
ok, I dont get this comment at all (and others in this thread in a similar vein)...its well known that Daytona is one of the most...
ok, I dont get this comment at all (and others in this thread in a similar vein)...its well known that Daytona is one of the most toughest SX races, and now because he got 2nd in his debut that its because Daytona isnt a normal SX track, and he wouldnt do well on a 'normal' SX track....WTF????
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Dude... because the sample size looks like, he's a two time national champ who twice has raced Daytona, and done great. Who'd have thought right? The...
Dude... because the sample size looks like, he's a two time national champ who twice has raced Daytona, and done great. Who'd have thought right?

The other three years of SX has been a fucking shit show. He's a two time national champ who has failed to qualify for mains as many time as he has won them.

He might be one of the most lopsided champ in the sport's history.
yeah perhaps... *shrugs*
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Ted722 wrote:
I think Honda and Martin should take advantage of this opportunity and put Martin on the 450 for outdoors. He's already won (2) 250 championships, is...
I think Honda and Martin should take advantage of this opportunity and put Martin on the 450 for outdoors. He's already won (2) 250 championships, is likely to go to a 450 full time next year, and showed he can ride a 450 with the best of them at Daytona. No better way to get ready for 2018 than getting more seat time on that 450 for 4 months outdoors.
Geico hired Jeremy to win the 250 National title. Zero chance he ends up on a 450 outdoors in '17.
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I just dont see Jmart getting the credit for how great a rider he really is. I do see Webb getting A LOT of credit for...
I just dont see Jmart getting the credit for how great a rider he really is. I do see Webb getting A LOT of credit for what a great rider he is. JMart cant get a break in SX. But if you look at his 2 seasons where he won his Championships, he would ROUTINELY run down Webb on the exact same bike. For two years Webb had NOTHING for Jeremy. Web hopped on a 450 for other races, killed it, and Webb is now the up coming star. Right now, you put Jeremy on a 450, he not only beats Mookie, but beats Webb and beats everyone except the top 3 to 5 guys every weekend, outdoors that is.

I have spoken.


Oh, and Honda better pull their head out of their ass, Roxzen got a 50% chance (at best) to EVER getting back to where he was prior to his crash. I would be all over Martin to fill that seat.
sgrimmxdad wrote:
Maybe you didn't watch last year, but Webb started out hurt. He straight up beat JMart and AMart... You talk about the years before that but...
Maybe you didn't watch last year, but Webb started out hurt. He straight up beat JMart and AMart... You talk about the years before that but how many years had Martin been in the class before Webb? You are talking about a partial year then Webbs first full rookie season. Apples to Oranges...

Webb has got it done on both sides of the sport... Again how many SX titles does Martin have? How many SX races has martin failed to qualify for?

Martin is a beast outside, not taking that away. He doesn't compare to Cooper inside IMO... Far as outdoors this year or next we will see. Blue vs red... I got my money on #2!
or maybe you didnt read my post.

During Martins 2 outdoor championship seasons, he would routinely run down Webb. Everytime.

Put Martin on that Honda, and put him on the outdoor tracks with Webb this summer, he will do the same thing.

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kiwifan wrote:
ok, I dont get this comment at all (and others in this thread in a similar vein)...its well known that Daytona is one of the most...
ok, I dont get this comment at all (and others in this thread in a similar vein)...its well known that Daytona is one of the most toughest SX races, and now because he got 2nd in his debut that its because Daytona isnt a normal SX track, and he wouldnt do well on a 'normal' SX track....WTF????
It really shouldn't be that hard to understand...

Daytona is tough because of the dirt and conditions and length of the track. It's high speed and gnarly, but not gnarly in the way that a traditional SX track is. Look at Daytona and then look at A2 and tell me they build Daytona like a "normal" SX track.

On a traditional SX track, Martin has only proven how inconsistent he is.

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sgrimmxdad 3/13/2017 2:07pm
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ctbale wrote:
or maybe you didnt read my post. During Martins 2 outdoor championship seasons, he would routinely run down Webb. Everytime. Put Martin on that Honda, and...
or maybe you didnt read my post.

During Martins 2 outdoor championship seasons, he would routinely run down Webb. Everytime.

Put Martin on that Honda, and put him on the outdoor tracks with Webb this summer, he will do the same thing.

You must didn't read mine. Those two years you are speaking of where webbs first two seasons. Martin had already been in the class how many years? Webb was 17 and 18. How old was Martin?

Last year on the SAME BIKES Webb left him in the pack over and over, even riding with an injured wrist the first part of the season...

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sgrimmxdad wrote:
You must didn't read mine. Those two years you are speaking of where webbs first two seasons. Martin had already been in the class how many...
You must didn't read mine. Those two years you are speaking of where webbs first two seasons. Martin had already been in the class how many years? Webb was 17 and 18. How old was Martin?

Last year on the SAME BIKES Webb left him in the pack over and over, even riding with an injured wrist the first part of the season...

Are you factoring in Martin's health issues throughout the summer? I don't think either of them were 100%.
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ctbale wrote:
or maybe you didnt read my post. During Martins 2 outdoor championship seasons, he would routinely run down Webb. Everytime. Put Martin on that Honda, and...
or maybe you didnt read my post.

During Martins 2 outdoor championship seasons, he would routinely run down Webb. Everytime.

Put Martin on that Honda, and put him on the outdoor tracks with Webb this summer, he will do the same thing.

sgrimmxdad wrote:
You must didn't read mine. Those two years you are speaking of where webbs first two seasons. Martin had already been in the class how many...
You must didn't read mine. Those two years you are speaking of where webbs first two seasons. Martin had already been in the class how many years? Webb was 17 and 18. How old was Martin?

Last year on the SAME BIKES Webb left him in the pack over and over, even riding with an injured wrist the first part of the season...

2013 was actually both Martin amd Webbs first full season of Pro MX. Jeremy is a little older but he hasnt been in the class as long as you are implyong he was.
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ctbale 3/13/2017 2:28pm
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ctbale wrote:
or maybe you didnt read my post. During Martins 2 outdoor championship seasons, he would routinely run down Webb. Everytime. Put Martin on that Honda, and...
or maybe you didnt read my post.

During Martins 2 outdoor championship seasons, he would routinely run down Webb. Everytime.

Put Martin on that Honda, and put him on the outdoor tracks with Webb this summer, he will do the same thing.

sgrimmxdad wrote:
You must didn't read mine. Those two years you are speaking of where webbs first two seasons. Martin had already been in the class how many...
You must didn't read mine. Those two years you are speaking of where webbs first two seasons. Martin had already been in the class how many years? Webb was 17 and 18. How old was Martin?

Last year on the SAME BIKES Webb left him in the pack over and over, even riding with an injured wrist the first part of the season...

Your right about the age difference, figured they were about the same age. jmart is 2 1/2 years older. but I am standing by my statements about those two seasons where they were both 100% healthy. jmart ran down webb everytime over two full seasons when neither of them had any health issues.
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Health issues,team issues and a bike malfunction which resulted in a dnf... then a few rounds later broken ribs.
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suzrider982 wrote:
Health issues,team issues and a bike malfunction which resulted in a dnf... then a few rounds later broken ribs.
and just for the record, Webb had nothing to do with the Bike issue ... I am pretty sure.
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But the bike issue caused a loss of 25 points.... he was leading Webb in the points till that happened. Jeremy also had nothing to do with the bike issues.
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suzrider982 wrote:
Health issues,team issues and a bike malfunction which resulted in a dnf... then a few rounds later broken ribs.
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and just for the record, Webb had nothing to do with the Bike issue ... I am pretty sure.
....so you're saying there's a chance.
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zehn wrote:
It really shouldn't be that hard to understand... Daytona is tough because of the dirt and conditions and length of the track. It's high speed and...
It really shouldn't be that hard to understand...

Daytona is tough because of the dirt and conditions and length of the track. It's high speed and gnarly, but not gnarly in the way that a traditional SX track is. Look at Daytona and then look at A2 and tell me they build Daytona like a "normal" SX track.

On a traditional SX track, Martin has only proven how inconsistent he is.
well we agree to disagree then...sweet
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suzrider982 wrote:
Health issues,team issues and a bike malfunction which resulted in a dnf... then a few rounds later broken ribs.
ctbale wrote:
and just for the record, Webb had nothing to do with the Bike issue ... I am pretty sure.
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....so you're saying there's a chance.
nor did he have anything to do with AMarts bike issue the same day .... pretty sure.
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nor was he responsible for Dunge takin out James at A1 16' ending his career ... also pretty sure.
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ctbale wrote:
nor was he responsible for Dunge takin out James at A1 16' ending his career ... also pretty sure.
You don't sound too confident with these statements, you might want to reconsider.

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