Would bringing 250 2-strokes back help supercross?

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3/7/2017 1:39pm
Literally everyone wants the pros to race two strokes. Then everyone goes to a kawi or Honda dealer and buys a 450. See the broken logic...
Literally everyone wants the pros to race two strokes. Then everyone goes to a kawi or Honda dealer and buys a 450. See the broken logic here? Speak with your wallet.

If nobody buys four strokes, they'll quit making them.
This is the real crux of the situation. I ride a CR250 2T and also ride various friends 350/450/525 thumpers from time to time. The jumps are SO much easier on ANY of the 4 strokes... and more importantly, SAFER!

I think that the general MX public should probably be on 4T for the safety factor. But racing was so much better on the 2T as little mistakes cannot be made up by simply twisting the throttle harder.

Sport and business go together, so this is what we have, and we will likely see a field of electric bikes before we see 2T in SX again... and it will be even more boring :-(
3/7/2017 1:43pm
This is the real crux of the situation. I ride a CR250 2T and also ride various friends 350/450/525 thumpers from time to time. The jumps...
This is the real crux of the situation. I ride a CR250 2T and also ride various friends 350/450/525 thumpers from time to time. The jumps are SO much easier on ANY of the 4 strokes... and more importantly, SAFER!

I think that the general MX public should probably be on 4T for the safety factor. But racing was so much better on the 2T as little mistakes cannot be made up by simply twisting the throttle harder.

Sport and business go together, so this is what we have, and we will likely see a field of electric bikes before we see 2T in SX again... and it will be even more boring :-(
Sadly you're probably right about electric bikes showing up before 2 strokes again. And that would be the death of the sport.
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3/7/2017 1:52pm
DoctorJD wrote:
Can we combine the, "when are 2-strokes coming back" and the, "when is James coming back" threads into one sub-forum? It would just be easier to...
Can we combine the, "when are 2-strokes coming back" and the, "when is James coming back" threads into one sub-forum? It would just be easier to have all of the ridiculousness in one nice, neat, package.

X2. I would take it one step further and add in anything regarding Mookie, as well.
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3/7/2017 2:03pm
Stock engine, or mod engine with restrictor plate.

2-strokes aren't coming back in pro racing. But make the bikes slower, or the obstacles harder would make the "racing" better.

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3/7/2017 2:24pm
Equivalency of capacity.

No more Handicap classing is what should be done.

It's simple, no more BS - and it would make for better, more interesting racing.

And then, the OP had that vile line of "jumping (the woops) them like a coward". Utterly reprehensible. Ever more Vitardness.
3/7/2017 2:28pm
Real men blitz the whoops. If you can jump through them, its because they didn't make them correctly or they are too small.
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3/7/2017 3:29pm
F-1, Nascar, Indy and other motorsport organizations change engine displacement to limit injurys or death. The mx bikes have gotten so powerful it is time to down size cc. Maybe 5 riders can ride a 450 to their potential. The best riders will always win no matter the rule changes. 250cc 2 or 4 stroke and limit engines to 10k rpm. Have a 125 or 150 2 stroke support class. Give the manufactures 2 years notice, they can choose to build a 125 bike or not. The sport is not growing currently, the AMA and FELD should do something. Endurocross has become a much better spectator sport IMO. The riders are side by side racing on the ground and not in the air half the time.
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3/7/2017 3:49pm
BobPA wrote:
Your opinion is invalid because you called someone a coward for jumping through the whoops.
BOOM!
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3/7/2017 4:01pm Edited Date/Time 3/7/2017 4:06pm
To the OP's question. Yes, I think it would. Only because I believe it's harder to put in 'perfect' laps on a two stroke. But, racing hasn't been all that bad lately so I don't think it's a sure thing. Do we need 70hp bikes for SX, no. At least privateers don't have to double the cost of the bike to make competitive HP with a 2t (2t vs. 2t).

As for the sport, which is a completely different discussion, absolutely it would help in the long run. More expensive bikes and maintenance results in fewer local riders which equals less of everything else in the sport.
3/7/2017 4:06pm
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To the OP's question. Yes, I think it would. Only because I believe it's harder to put in 'perfect' laps on a two stroke. But, racing...
To the OP's question. Yes, I think it would. Only because I believe it's harder to put in 'perfect' laps on a two stroke. But, racing hasn't been all that bad lately so I don't think it's a sure thing. Do we need 70hp bikes for SX, no. At least privateers don't have to double the cost of the bike to make competitive HP with a 2t (2t vs. 2t).

As for the sport, which is a completely different discussion, absolutely it would help in the long run. More expensive bikes and maintenance results in fewer local riders which equals less of everything else in the sport.
That's what I thought. It's harder to put down 20 consistent laps on a 2-stroke.
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3/7/2017 5:00pm Edited Date/Time 3/7/2017 5:24pm
He's my answer

No

Would be cool as hell but no

I think
Me
Just some nobody

If there were more money for the top 20 to make
Then those who are in that club would put more effort in there program and you would see much more close bar banging every week

That is what people want to see

Dont reply and try and convince me that all these guys are training 14 hrs per day and doing it all rocky balboa style cuz they don't
I know a guy who works 16hr per day at roadway/yellow trucking
7 days per week
$150K/year
And his last hr of the day is no slower than his first
Wonder if nick Schmidt #75 makes $150k/yr???
The top 40 should make at least that
He got 20th last week I think
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3/7/2017 5:26pm
Arenacross should bring them back first. Smaller tracks, smaller budgets.
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3/7/2017 6:31pm
It'd help, but they're not gonna bring them back.

The middle ground is to forget 450s... They have the same or more horsepower that time and wisdom deemed as too much 20 years ago... And now they're better suspended, better braked and the stadiums and bones haven't changed.

So they make the tracks tight, the berms are gone, so inside, inside, follow the fucking leader. SX is broken as hell.

Stanton, MC and Wardy all have said why not make 250 four strokes the premier class and make 125s entry. Racing would benefit, can open the tracks up etc.

Fuck, 250s do the same lap times and jump combos as 450s anyways, so what does that tell you?!
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3/7/2017 6:41pm
something i noticed at last weeks race. there were multiple times where the guy slowed down to follow the guy in front of him entering the corner, instead of trying a pass inside. Setting up for double out of corner? weird camera angle? definitely less corner action than the ol 2 strokes.
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Crush wrote:
It'd help, but they're not gonna bring them back. The middle ground is to forget 450s... They have the same or more horsepower that time and...
It'd help, but they're not gonna bring them back.

The middle ground is to forget 450s... They have the same or more horsepower that time and wisdom deemed as too much 20 years ago... And now they're better suspended, better braked and the stadiums and bones haven't changed.

So they make the tracks tight, the berms are gone, so inside, inside, follow the fucking leader. SX is broken as hell.

Stanton, MC and Wardy all have said why not make 250 four strokes the premier class and make 125s entry. Racing would benefit, can open the tracks up etc.

Fuck, 250s do the same lap times and jump combos as 450s anyways, so what does that tell you?!
This guy gets it.
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3/8/2017 6:15am
You have to make the outside line the preferred line. If you can jump everything while hugging the inside line, racing will be boring. Whether that means different bikes or altering tracks, that can be debated until the end of time.
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3/8/2017 6:20am
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X100

Get over 2 strokes already

All SX needs is one thing:

More than two Elite riders, followed by 8-12 good riders, and then a bunch of privateers that dont even belong on the property with the two elite guys.

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Crush wrote:
It'd help, but they're not gonna bring them back. The middle ground is to forget 450s... They have the same or more horsepower that time and...
It'd help, but they're not gonna bring them back.

The middle ground is to forget 450s... They have the same or more horsepower that time and wisdom deemed as too much 20 years ago... And now they're better suspended, better braked and the stadiums and bones haven't changed.

So they make the tracks tight, the berms are gone, so inside, inside, follow the fucking leader. SX is broken as hell.

Stanton, MC and Wardy all have said why not make 250 four strokes the premier class and make 125s entry. Racing would benefit, can open the tracks up etc.

Fuck, 250s do the same lap times and jump combos as 450s anyways, so what does that tell you?!
Agree. It's like trying to watch a locomotive race around the track. This results in lots of follow the leader.

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