Preoccupation With the Stewarts

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1/18/2017 6:10am
You're just drawing more attention to them by creating a thread asking why they're getting so much attention. Ohhhhhh the irony.......
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1/18/2017 6:14am Edited Date/Time 1/18/2017 7:11am
Remember when Jeremy tried to make a come back a couple times? This is the same thing...(in my opinion). While they were both very fast at one time, it seems that the sport had passed them by. It's time for him to take up a different role, something that he can still be involved. Or just say "fuck it, I'm going out there to ride and have fun. If I finished 3rd or 17th, I'm going to give it my all." Again, it's his fans that put him on a pedestal and 'expect' the same results of his past days of grandeur. I just hope when he is done racing, he has his health and can still be part of the sport somehow...

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1/18/2017 6:14am Edited Date/Time 1/18/2017 6:16am
If you dont get why the Stewarts have so many fans and fanatics.....you need to get more involved and educated about MX. They have so many followers because they earned it in some way or another and that makes them relevant. People want to be entertained, and the Stewarts are the best at providing it.
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1/18/2017 6:46am


Because name another rider with a video with 7+ million views!

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1/18/2017 6:46am
when race day comes and JS7 is not there I am bummed. ......
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1/18/2017 6:59am
This thread has become a tribute to the Stewarts rather than another bashing session. We turned it around!
Negative people 0
Those who love the sport more than anything 1
1/18/2017 7:01am
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1/18/2017 7:09am


0:52-1:12 kills it on that night track
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1/18/2017 7:24am
Fearo wrote:
Jesus this shitshow is getting worse by the day. How many threads a day do we really need of people hanging off James' balls, tissues in...
Jesus this shitshow is getting worse by the day.

How many threads a day do we really need of people hanging off James' balls, tissues in hand, writing one defensive paragraph after another?

James is one of the best ever, and probably the most naturally talented rider ever, but let's be real here for a second. The last time James was a championship contendor was 2009. 8 fucking years ago. He has shown flashes of brilliance since then and I'm sure if the stars aligned, he would still completely wreck Ken Roczen or Ryan Dungey.

But that's just it, what's the likelihood of James
1) Starting a championship at round 1 on a competitive bike and in shape (doh)?
2) Finishing all 17 rounds without any major crashes

I'd say pretty freaking slim, chief.

So how long are we going to keep putting him on a pedestal like he's some untouchable greek god? I would love nothing more than to see James kill it for a couple more years before he retires but the sport will move on regardless if he ever lines up again or not.


"I would love nothing more than to see James kill it for a couple more years before he retires but the sport will move on regardless if he ever lines up again or not."

No sense getting your dander up, dude. I believe this is what every JS7 fan is saying here, at least those with some maturity & sense about them.
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1/18/2017 7:57am
Fearo wrote:
Jesus this shitshow is getting worse by the day. How many threads a day do we really need of people hanging off James' balls, tissues in...
Jesus this shitshow is getting worse by the day.

How many threads a day do we really need of people hanging off James' balls, tissues in hand, writing one defensive paragraph after another?

James is one of the best ever, and probably the most naturally talented rider ever, but let's be real here for a second. The last time James was a championship contendor was 2009. 8 fucking years ago. He has shown flashes of brilliance since then and I'm sure if the stars aligned, he would still completely wreck Ken Roczen or Ryan Dungey.

But that's just it, what's the likelihood of James
1) Starting a championship at round 1 on a competitive bike and in shape (doh)?
2) Finishing all 17 rounds without any major crashes

I'd say pretty freaking slim, chief.

So how long are we going to keep putting him on a pedestal like he's some untouchable greek god? I would love nothing more than to see James kill it for a couple more years before he retires but the sport will move on regardless if he ever lines up again or not.

Your missing the point. We put him on a pedestal because he deserves to be put on a pedestal. We believe that is the case and are defending the constant posts about how he is going to fail.

We don't care if he finishes a the championship at this point. We just want him out on the track because it adds to the excitement of the race. Nobody thinks he's an untouchable greek god. We just love the history of the sport and he is a part of it.

It's so insulting when you say "how many threads a day do we need people hanging of James balls, tissues in hand." We are just fans of the guy.....jesus.
1/18/2017 8:02am
When he finally does hang it up, he's going to write a book that should have some industry people worried.
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1/18/2017 10:02am
cameron96 wrote:
Toronto 2014 is a good explanation of why the madness He had a quad, a triple triple, and a tire tap that nobody else was doing...
Toronto 2014 is a good explanation of why the madness


He had a quad, a triple triple, and a tire tap that nobody else was doing and he passed em all
From 14th to winning the whole damn thing, one of the best performances I've ever seen.
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1/18/2017 10:13am
Moto520 wrote:
This thread has become a tribute to the Stewarts rather than another bashing session. We turned it around! Negative people 0 Those who love the sport...
This thread has become a tribute to the Stewarts rather than another bashing session. We turned it around!
Negative people 0
Those who love the sport more than anything 1
Absolutely. They are reading, but don't have the balls to post their BS! For once. Woohoo
1/18/2017 10:18am
cameron96 wrote:
Toronto 2014 is a good explanation of why the madness He had a quad, a triple triple, and a tire tap that nobody else was doing...
Toronto 2014 is a good explanation of why the madness


He had a quad, a triple triple, and a tire tap that nobody else was doing and he passed em all
Suzuki7 wrote:
From 14th to winning the whole damn thing, one of the best performances I've ever seen.
Yep, I don't think anyone can argue against this. He sliced thru a stacked field. I remember watching him pass Villopoto and making RV look like he was riding in deep sand. It's crazy how much speed and momentum he carries when he's on it. He NEVER stops moving forward on the track. Zero wasted momentum.
1/18/2017 10:26am
Why so much attention on what the Stewarts do or don't do? No disrespect intended -- James Stewart was a great champion -- but he's been...
Why so much attention on what the Stewarts do or don't do? No disrespect intended -- James Stewart was a great champion -- but he's been washed up for a while, and, as best I can tell, he doesn't seem to know when to walk away.

And I can only look at so many pics of a semi-truck.
you're a clown at best, go back and sit on that couch
1/18/2017 10:48am
FARANG wrote:
I guess it's all the drama, on and off the track. A few examples on track... The Reed incident(s) Multiple lawn darting and taking out other...
I guess it's all the drama, on and off the track.

A few examples on track...

The Reed incident(s)
Multiple lawn darting and taking out other riders
Some good riding (especially on 125s), doing some sections that other guys didn't do etc.
The Musquin incident
Pulling off the track with weak excuses when he's not winning

Off the track

Bubba's world
Cop impersonation and subsequent arrest
Testing positive for amphetamine and subsequent drugs ban, excuses etc.

Some people this makes him cool and a character, others think it makes him an asshole. I'm assuming the younger demographic think it's pretty cool and the more mature demographic see things a bit differently. I certainly can't think of another rider recently that's brought as much drama, except maybe Jlaw but he wasn't around for a zillion years like ol' Bubba has been.

I don't really mind a bit of off track drama personally, but I think the rental car rolling, strip joint frequenting, spliff smoking type of antics are preferable to the cop impersonating, PED type antics. Just my opinion.
If you think this is drama then you've been sitting under a rock for a very long time!!! Way more controversial riders out there!!

"The Musquin incident" he says, oh boy!

Oh and please show us the size of the blisters on your hand while racing a 20 lap main and see if you stay on racing a supercross track. Not to big of an excuse if the blister is big enough, specially on your palms! some of us would rather ride with a broken finger then a big ass blister.
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1/18/2017 11:08am
Bottom line - James is one of the most naturally gifted, talented MX racers of all time. and Unless you have been living under a rock, are new to MX or just have a bad memory of how he dominated this thread should have never even been started.

In my opinion: His dynamic style and ability to do things on a motorcycle that were at one point unimaginable defined an evolution in the sport of motocross. The "bubba scrub" was unheard of. Dragging a foot peg pinned in fourth gear at Budd's Creek is no joke. It was controlled chaos, and amazing to watch.

This kid came into the pro ranks with a ton of pressure not only to perform for his sponsors but also his family, racing was their life. And he came out and dominated. The things that this kid would do on a KX125 were nothing short of amazing, and again, he changed the trajectory of the sport and pushed all of the riders around him to step up their programs - I do not believe that I have witnessed another rider change the sport as much as James in the last 20 years, and we probably won't for some time.

James's talent remains, but with the ups and downs he has faced with the suspension, teams issues, etc. he may have lost his way mentally. And I for one hope that he comes back 100% swinging and gives the current field a run for their money.

We don't need James - we need "Bubba"...... I'm a fan. Its hard not to be because when James is on, it's nothing short of incredible.


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1/18/2017 11:19am Edited Date/Time 1/18/2017 11:20am
well i watched j7 on the 60s and 80s
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1/18/2017 11:21am
cameron96 wrote:
Toronto 2014 is a good explanation of why the madness He had a quad, a triple triple, and a tire tap that nobody else was doing...
Toronto 2014 is a good explanation of why the madness


He had a quad, a triple triple, and a tire tap that nobody else was doing and he passed em all
Suzuki7 wrote:
From 14th to winning the whole damn thing, one of the best performances I've ever seen.
mjr119 wrote:
Yep, I don't think anyone can argue against this. He sliced thru a stacked field. I remember watching him pass Villopoto and making RV look like...
Yep, I don't think anyone can argue against this. He sliced thru a stacked field. I remember watching him pass Villopoto and making RV look like he was riding in deep sand. It's crazy how much speed and momentum he carries when he's on it. He NEVER stops moving forward on the track. Zero wasted momentum.
I think its worth mentioning that RV was sick as a dog at that race and almost didnt even enter. JS7 ride was incredible none the less.
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1/18/2017 11:31am
When he finally does hang it up, he's going to write a book that should have some industry people worried.
This may be a reason he hasnt gotten as much support as he might...if he was practically anyone else. Just saying...
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1/18/2017 11:41am
huck wrote:
Remember when Jeremy tried to make a come back a couple times? This is the same thing...(in my opinion). While they were both very fast at...
Remember when Jeremy tried to make a come back a couple times? This is the same thing...(in my opinion). While they were both very fast at one time, it seems that the sport had passed them by. It's time for him to take up a different role, something that he can still be involved. Or just say "fuck it, I'm going out there to ride and have fun. If I finished 3rd or 17th, I'm going to give it my all." Again, it's his fans that put him on a pedestal and 'expect' the same results of his past days of grandeur. I just hope when he is done racing, he has his health and can still be part of the sport somehow...

Agree with what Huck said 100%. Some of the hard core fans expect too much. I'll be glad to see him out there and just cross the line in one piece. Weather it's in 5th , 10th or whatever. He isn't going to battle with the front guys , at least not for very long. MC made a small come back for some races , but he wasn't ever the " Checker's or wrecker's " type of a rider , and a lot healthier career as far as lack of injuries. If James comes in his next race with his old mind set , it isn't gong to be pretty.
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1/18/2017 11:48am
Suzuki7 wrote:
From 14th to winning the whole damn thing, one of the best performances I've ever seen.
mjr119 wrote:
Yep, I don't think anyone can argue against this. He sliced thru a stacked field. I remember watching him pass Villopoto and making RV look like...
Yep, I don't think anyone can argue against this. He sliced thru a stacked field. I remember watching him pass Villopoto and making RV look like he was riding in deep sand. It's crazy how much speed and momentum he carries when he's on it. He NEVER stops moving forward on the track. Zero wasted momentum.
early wrote:
I think its worth mentioning that RV was sick as a dog at that race and almost didnt even enter. JS7 ride was incredible none the...
I think its worth mentioning that RV was sick as a dog at that race and almost didnt even enter. JS7 ride was incredible none the less.
Was in the hospital and missed practice completely. Went strait to the qualifier. But.....James did ride awesome that night and beat everyone else as well that wasn't sick.
1/18/2017 11:49am
MC's 05-06 comeback was justified at San diego 06. Last 250 2-stroke to lead a lap, and im pretty sure he nac-nac'd the triple that lap. What a fitting send-off for two-strokes.

Now, if James comes back on a weedmaps Husky TC250 two-stroke and does the sprinkler... well... i'll need help picking up the pieces of my fragmented skull after my head explodes.
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1/18/2017 11:51am
When he finally does hang it up, he's going to write a book that should have some industry people worried.
davistld01 wrote:
This may be a reason he hasnt gotten as much support as he might...if he was practically anyone else. Just saying...
The reason he hasn't gotten as much support, is because he has left a lot of sponsors with no rider on the track (and has burnt some bridges). While he has a big following, I think a lot of sponsors what their riders on the track. Or at least at the track when they are injured. These are just my observations....
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1/18/2017 12:06pm
Stewart WAS fast, Stewart WAS a winner, Stewart WAS...........Stewart is none of this now. I don't watch SX/MX to see just JS7. Last season he was more of a distraction than anything, his career as a racer is over. Dungey and Roczen just have a huge work ethic that JS7 doesn't or maybe never had. They are the fast boy's now and it doesn't look like that will change for awhile barring injuries. Does anyone here really think JS7 can hang week in and week out with KR94 or RD1. I think he proved that he can't last season, JS7 was a great rider and I think we need to remember him as he was at his peak. I think his best days are behind him as a racer, if he wants to stay in the sport he can be a team manager or a riding coach or a Team owner.
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1/18/2017 12:24pm
huck wrote:
Remember when Jeremy tried to make a come back a couple times? This is the same thing...(in my opinion). While they were both very fast at...
Remember when Jeremy tried to make a come back a couple times? This is the same thing...(in my opinion). While they were both very fast at one time, it seems that the sport had passed them by. It's time for him to take up a different role, something that he can still be involved. Or just say "fuck it, I'm going out there to ride and have fun. If I finished 3rd or 17th, I'm going to give it my all." Again, it's his fans that put him on a pedestal and 'expect' the same results of his past days of grandeur. I just hope when he is done racing, he has his health and can still be part of the sport somehow...

jeffro503 wrote:
Agree with what Huck said 100%. Some of the hard core fans expect too much. I'll be glad to see him out there and just cross...
Agree with what Huck said 100%. Some of the hard core fans expect too much. I'll be glad to see him out there and just cross the line in one piece. Weather it's in 5th , 10th or whatever. He isn't going to battle with the front guys , at least not for very long. MC made a small come back for some races , but he wasn't ever the " Checker's or wrecker's " type of a rider , and a lot healthier career as far as lack of injuries. If James comes in his next race with his old mind set , it isn't gong to be pretty.
I wouldn't call what McGrath did a comeback, personally. Entirely different frame of mind compared to James. Also, James never retired. It's not a comeback IMO.
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1/18/2017 12:27pm
huck wrote:
Remember when Jeremy tried to make a come back a couple times? This is the same thing...(in my opinion). While they were both very fast at...
Remember when Jeremy tried to make a come back a couple times? This is the same thing...(in my opinion). While they were both very fast at one time, it seems that the sport had passed them by. It's time for him to take up a different role, something that he can still be involved. Or just say "fuck it, I'm going out there to ride and have fun. If I finished 3rd or 17th, I'm going to give it my all." Again, it's his fans that put him on a pedestal and 'expect' the same results of his past days of grandeur. I just hope when he is done racing, he has his health and can still be part of the sport somehow...

jeffro503 wrote:
Agree with what Huck said 100%. Some of the hard core fans expect too much. I'll be glad to see him out there and just cross...
Agree with what Huck said 100%. Some of the hard core fans expect too much. I'll be glad to see him out there and just cross the line in one piece. Weather it's in 5th , 10th or whatever. He isn't going to battle with the front guys , at least not for very long. MC made a small come back for some races , but he wasn't ever the " Checker's or wrecker's " type of a rider , and a lot healthier career as far as lack of injuries. If James comes in his next race with his old mind set , it isn't gong to be pretty.
mx836 wrote:
I wouldn't call what McGrath did a comeback, personally. Entirely different frame of mind compared to James. Also, James never retired. It's not a comeback IMO.
That's true. MC only did a few selected races. I remember the 2 stroke , but I think he did a few on the 450 as well.
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davistld01 wrote:
I've been racing & following the sport for 45-years. I've seen everybody "amazing" race, from Joel Robert to Ricky Carmichael, and nobody personifies "amazing" like watching...
I've been racing & following the sport for 45-years. I've seen everybody "amazing" race, from Joel Robert to Ricky Carmichael, and nobody personifies "amazing" like watching James Stewart race when he's on it. Nobody. I love this sport, but I love to watch these guys who are so fabulously skilled & talented ride dirt bikes the way I only wish I could have ever ridden them. It's the most exciting thing ever to me, and I would really love to see James Stewart back on a supercross track, in shape, having fun, focused & riding at his very best.

If that "very best" is not on par with the very best of guys like RD & KR, so be it. If James decides to step away, so be it. I'll still remember him as the most amazing rider I've ever seen. His legacy is safe.

Yes indeed.

James Stewart was in the books and minds by 2004. The meltdown in -16, was studied by us all, and it received energetic hate. Gratitude is appropriate, he raced and was humiliated, and lucky to not get hurt.

It was at best very sad and scary, and there is for sure things we do not know of, making him take the risks and the mental beating to get out there - and be told to go home.

I left this sport and what made me devoted again was to catch a glimpse of the -11 version of James Stewart. I could not believe what I saw. I am now back, and caught up a decade and a half. I can still not believe the impact he had. There is reason to doubt we will see anything like that again.
1/18/2017 1:42pm
Much like his riding in his prime, his fans and detractors carry the same Win or Wreck mentality. Neither will be content with James just being on track and putting in Top 10s, I guess that says something about how good he was. Undoubtably one of the greats as well as 'what could have been', but he pushed the sport forward on track the same way that RC did with his off track prep.
Love him, hate him or indifferent to him, you could never argue it is better having him on the sidelines rather than on the track or under the awning.

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