Military 'Appreciation' Night?

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philG 1/15/2017 8:19am
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roundtheoutside wrote:
Isn't military always somewhat about politics?
RangerLee wrote:
The troops serving in the military, it is nothing about politics. No politics in why I joined. Politicians control what the military can do in a...
The troops serving in the military, it is nothing about politics. No politics in why I joined.

Politicians control what the military can do in a big picture sense, but just because you do not like what politician A decides to do, that does not change the fact that young men and woman volunteered to serve, for any number of reasons.

These appreciation nights are about those troops with boots on the ground. The unfortunate part though, the Military Pays for the appreciation nights, in every major sport. It is not done out of the goodness of the sporting authorities heart, be it supercross of NFL football. They would not have the night if the military did not pay them. A little hidden secret not many realize.

well if thats the case , that just goes to underline my point, whatever we are told, and not told, is rarely the truth.

Im sure Jenny Taft saying ' well tonight in San Diego, we are being paid to show our support for the troops by the following people' would go down well.

Im sure 1000 tickets a round to Serving men and women could be made available , instead of what they are being paid to do now,
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jathey 1/15/2017 8:29am
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This 30 yr retired service connected disabled vet loved it. We know these guys don't know much about we do, makes the appreciation weekend that much...
This 30 yr retired service connected disabled vet loved it. We know these guys don't know much about we do, makes the appreciation weekend that much more special that people can learn. Seriously had a tear in my eye tonight, best appreciation night to date.
Your opinion is the one that ultimately matters here. Thank you.
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MotoX85 wrote:
This 30 yr retired service connected disabled vet loved it. We know these guys don't know much about we do, makes the appreciation weekend that much...
This 30 yr retired service connected disabled vet loved it. We know these guys don't know much about we do, makes the appreciation weekend that much more special that people can learn. Seriously had a tear in my eye tonight, best appreciation night to date.
jathey wrote:
Your opinion is the one that ultimately matters here. Thank you.
This.

Much respect to those who are serving, have served, and have family who serve. However military appreciation night goes down I think ithe is cool that they do it. I know several of the riders really do appreciate our military service men and women. This is a way they can show it too.

Byw, Josh Hill on the podium was awesone in how he said "thank you."
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JAFO92 1/15/2017 9:06am
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I'm going to go out on a limb say say 90% of the American populous doesn't know how many branches there are.
Watter's World proves that most out on the streets today are drones with the IQ of common table salt.

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Teamoatmealpie 1/15/2017 9:35am
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Are you people unaware of "advertising".

Perhaps if you lived in a cave or Phil's euro communist brain you'd be excused for missing the fact that the DOD advertises on TV, radio, print and has a large presence at American sporting events.

In creating this event they get advertising exposure and they also create a positive interaction with the public and our military.

So if the DOD wants to advertise itself at a supercross event - what's the problem.

Most Americans have national pride and love our military members- the opportunity to support, say thank you, or interact with men and women in uniform is a positive thing.

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MotoX85 wrote:
This 30 yr retired service connected disabled vet loved it. We know these guys don't know much about we do, makes the appreciation weekend that much...
This 30 yr retired service connected disabled vet loved it. We know these guys don't know much about we do, makes the appreciation weekend that much more special that people can learn. Seriously had a tear in my eye tonight, best appreciation night to date.
It was good being there live, the intros were nice and no cheeseball stuff from what I saw. I haven't seen the tv broadcast tho.
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Rupert X 1/15/2017 10:17am
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The most curious, were the military motif'd bikes that resembled battleships. Even had the anchor drop out .....ahem. Cough. Wheeze.

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Markee 1/15/2017 10:39am
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roundtheoutside wrote:
Isn't military always somewhat about politics?
RangerLee wrote:
The troops serving in the military, it is nothing about politics. No politics in why I joined. Politicians control what the military can do in a...
The troops serving in the military, it is nothing about politics. No politics in why I joined.

Politicians control what the military can do in a big picture sense, but just because you do not like what politician A decides to do, that does not change the fact that young men and woman volunteered to serve, for any number of reasons.

These appreciation nights are about those troops with boots on the ground. The unfortunate part though, the Military Pays for the appreciation nights, in every major sport. It is not done out of the goodness of the sporting authorities heart, be it supercross of NFL football. They would not have the night if the military did not pay them. A little hidden secret not many realize.

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well if thats the case , that just goes to underline my point, whatever we are told, and not told, is rarely the truth. Im sure...
well if thats the case , that just goes to underline my point, whatever we are told, and not told, is rarely the truth.

Im sure Jenny Taft saying ' well tonight in San Diego, we are being paid to show our support for the troops by the following people' would go down well.

Im sure 1000 tickets a round to Serving men and women could be made available , instead of what they are being paid to do now,
I agree with every damn thing you have said.

Why is it that 22 vets are killing themselves everyday? Coming back with PTSD from fighting a "army" that don't even have a fucking boat to threaten our shores.

Should be called combat appreciation night.
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hoots3pak 1/15/2017 10:48am
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After loosing two of my friends this year, we have all talked alot and asked ,Why. It's hard, Many reasons. These combat soldiers live and breathe the drive on attitude. No matter what we drive on. When they get out all of that is gone. Drugs, alcohol, women and jobs. They are trying to regain the high of combat. It's unattainable. But soldiers keep trying and driving on. I'm glad to see there alot of good Vets trying to help.
Jordan421 1/15/2017 10:52am
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Rupert X wrote:
The most curious, were the military motif'd bikes that resembled battleships. Even had the anchor drop out .....ahem. Cough. Wheeze. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/01/15/169386/s1200_IMG_0113.jpg[/img]
The most curious, were the military motif'd bikes that resembled battleships. Even had the anchor drop out .....ahem. Cough. Wheeze.

Let's keep military appreciation night going on today by having all vital members that have or are serving post a pic of their self!



roundtheoutside 1/15/2017 10:59am
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The troops serving in the military, it is nothing about politics. No politics in why I joined. Politicians control what the military can do in a...
The troops serving in the military, it is nothing about politics. No politics in why I joined.

Politicians control what the military can do in a big picture sense, but just because you do not like what politician A decides to do, that does not change the fact that young men and woman volunteered to serve, for any number of reasons.

These appreciation nights are about those troops with boots on the ground. The unfortunate part though, the Military Pays for the appreciation nights, in every major sport. It is not done out of the goodness of the sporting authorities heart, be it supercross of NFL football. They would not have the night if the military did not pay them. A little hidden secret not many realize.

Well, I didn't want to start a discussion about politics here actually. The mods don't like it for good reasons, it drives people up the wall pretty quick, plus as a non american I have a feeling that your military is just none of my business therefore. But I follow the racing of that championship, so I have to follow that theme night. Things just come to mind with that automatically and with no ill intend. I can't deny that I had an uneasy feeling occasionally watching these shows but probably that's because I grew up up under the influence of you know different circumstances or whatever.

Just that much, I totally love the fact that there are people out there with such good intentions, the will to serve and I think most of the values they teach you in the Army are fundamentally good. Discipline, respect, going to the limits of capacity and so on. But on the other hand I'd rather be hacked in pieces than take part in a move where they bomb a third world country back into the middle ages and kill countless civilians for the business interests of some greedy individuals or just out of ungrounded fears. Good intentions alone don't make something a good thing. But well you know, that's just my opinion Wink
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philG 1/15/2017 11:21am
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Teamoatmealpie wrote:
Are you people unaware of "advertising". Perhaps if you lived in a cave or Phil's euro communist brain you'd be excused for missing the fact that...
Are you people unaware of "advertising".

Perhaps if you lived in a cave or Phil's euro communist brain you'd be excused for missing the fact that the DOD advertises on TV, radio, print and has a large presence at American sporting events.

In creating this event they get advertising exposure and they also create a positive interaction with the public and our military.

So if the DOD wants to advertise itself at a supercross event - what's the problem.

Most Americans have national pride and love our military members- the opportunity to support, say thank you, or interact with men and women in uniform is a positive thing.

well call me naive .. but when i see NASCAR races with cars that are sponsored by the national guard , or the Army, i am more than aware that these people are paying for the exposure, and im fine with that, however when we have 'Military Appreciation Night' i guess i am dumb enough to think that this is genuinely a way for the greater MX & SX community to come together in one place , to show respect , and gratitude to those that serve.

In the same way we had the breast cancer awareness race a few years ago, i figured someone said 'lets do this' and everyone got on board and helped raised money for these guys.

Now what you are telling me is that the DOD throws cash at people to promote a 'feel good' situation about these guys , who are in fact , in a lot of instances just cast adrift at the end of deployment , with little help.

Its not even my country and i feel conned.

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Has nothing to do for the military, it's all about money. Also these guys sign up for this to be in the military. Not as if they were drafted... At this point it's nothing but shallow "thank you for your service" these kids and the general public don't give a f@&k. It's empty. I could under stand it if we were in a war like WWll or Vietnam but were not. It's nothing but exploitation of the military, to make money put people in those seats. These young racers don't care.
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GuyB 1/15/2017 1:32pm
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RangerLee wrote:
The troops serving in the military, it is nothing about politics. No politics in why I joined. Politicians control what the military can do in a...
The troops serving in the military, it is nothing about politics. No politics in why I joined.

Politicians control what the military can do in a big picture sense, but just because you do not like what politician A decides to do, that does not change the fact that young men and woman volunteered to serve, for any number of reasons.

These appreciation nights are about those troops with boots on the ground. The unfortunate part though, the Military Pays for the appreciation nights, in every major sport. It is not done out of the goodness of the sporting authorities heart, be it supercross of NFL football. They would not have the night if the military did not pay them. A little hidden secret not many realize.

I was told by the gang at Feld that it's not the case for them. They do it because they want to, not because they get paid. Back in the day, they seemed to have a lot of connection with Marines, Air Force, etc. That doesn't seem to be the case as much now.

For people in foreign countries that don't get it, I'll give you my .02 on why I think we do them.

The Viet Nam war was really unpopular, and a lot of the soldiers came back without a whole lot of thanks. I feel like we've been trying to make it up to them ever since. Add in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the toll it's taken on the vets mentally and physically, and it's a good thing to do. Seeing a lot of the vets there last night, many of whom were missing legs, etc., it does give you an appreciation for what they put on the line.

But on the other hand, military guys in So. Cal. have always been into moto. I remember back in the day at the Carlsbad USGP, there were tons of military guys there. Guys coming back from wars often end up with a taste for speed (think hot rods after WWII, etc.).
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Our views of the Military and our government change throughout our lives. Mine has changed from before I served , while I served, when I got...
Our views of the Military and our government change throughout our lives. Mine has changed from before I served , while I served, when I got out, and right now. These guys fight for each other. Not for any government, or necessarily a cause. They fight for their brothers. This isn't about politics. It's about showing a little bit of appreciation to real men and women who have earned a thank you. Some have a lifetime of physical and mental wounds, just a thank you is cool.
Great post.
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Has nothing to do for the military, it's all about money. Also these guys sign up for this to be in the military. Not as if...
Has nothing to do for the military, it's all about money. Also these guys sign up for this to be in the military. Not as if they were drafted... At this point it's nothing but shallow "thank you for your service" these kids and the general public don't give a f@&k. It's empty. I could under stand it if we were in a war like WWll or Vietnam but were not. It's nothing but exploitation of the military, to make money put people in those seats. These young racers don't care.
I am an educated person who has had many years of reflection and conversation with many combat Vets. I have lost friends to suicide and have seen many others survive for years struggling and they don't know why. I understand that groups of people around the world have been exploited forever.
The combat Veterans that were there and watching at home don't give a fuck about that. Thay want to feel normal. They appreciate a hand shake or a thank you. Thay appreciate being recognized and cheered. But ultimately they want to feel OK.
It's sad that most people " don't give a fuck about them" . I get it, until it hits home, a family member or friend struggles with PTSD the general public doesn't think about it. Call it shell shock, thousand yard stair this is real. 22 a day, Come on man. Are they being exploited? Sure. Is there people making a ton of money using this platform. Yes. Even our own government. The men and women suffering don't care. They just want a small piece of their normal lives back.
It doesn't cost anything to shake a Vet's hand and say thank you. This isn't about exploitation for these guys. It's tough to understand until you walk in their COMBAT BOOTS.
Hoooooah.
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Katoomey 1/15/2017 2:23pm
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I'll thank the troops when they're drafted...

What i hate is the fact that our government cant take care of the soldiers when they come home. That is fucking ridiculous.
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hoots3pak 1/15/2017 2:37pm
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RangerLee wrote:
The troops serving in the military, it is nothing about politics. No politics in why I joined. Politicians control what the military can do in a...
The troops serving in the military, it is nothing about politics. No politics in why I joined.

Politicians control what the military can do in a big picture sense, but just because you do not like what politician A decides to do, that does not change the fact that young men and woman volunteered to serve, for any number of reasons.

These appreciation nights are about those troops with boots on the ground. The unfortunate part though, the Military Pays for the appreciation nights, in every major sport. It is not done out of the goodness of the sporting authorities heart, be it supercross of NFL football. They would not have the night if the military did not pay them. A little hidden secret not many realize.

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I was told by the gang at Feld that it's not the case for them. They do it because they want to, not because they get...
I was told by the gang at Feld that it's not the case for them. They do it because they want to, not because they get paid. Back in the day, they seemed to have a lot of connection with Marines, Air Force, etc. That doesn't seem to be the case as much now.

For people in foreign countries that don't get it, I'll give you my .02 on why I think we do them.

The Viet Nam war was really unpopular, and a lot of the soldiers came back without a whole lot of thanks. I feel like we've been trying to make it up to them ever since. Add in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the toll it's taken on the vets mentally and physically, and it's a good thing to do. Seeing a lot of the vets there last night, many of whom were missing legs, etc., it does give you an appreciation for what they put on the line.

But on the other hand, military guys in So. Cal. have always been into moto. I remember back in the day at the Carlsbad USGP, there were tons of military guys there. Guys coming back from wars often end up with a taste for speed (think hot rods after WWII, etc.).
Great perspective GuyB

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JAFO92 1/15/2017 3:34pm
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Has nothing to do for the military, it's all about money. Also these guys sign up for this to be in the military. Not as if...
Has nothing to do for the military, it's all about money. Also these guys sign up for this to be in the military. Not as if they were drafted... At this point it's nothing but shallow "thank you for your service" these kids and the general public don't give a f@&k. It's empty. I could under stand it if we were in a war like WWll or Vietnam but were not. It's nothing but exploitation of the military, to make money put people in those seats. These young racers don't care.
Speaking as a dad whos son served his time as a US Marine, Im grateful when the armed forces are recognized. These kids today VOLUNTEER to be put in harms way. I cant speak for the other branches, but when you sign up for the USMC you have no idea what your MOS will be before its all over. You are basically saying I am signing up to potentially be blown up by an IED for a measly E1 paycheck. If thats not admirable, I dont know what is.

So while you sir dont care when they did that last night, I can assure you there ARE persons who do appreciate it. Sorry you had to suffer such an inconvenience.

Thanks to Feld and anyone else who made that possible.
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Has nothing to do for the military, it's all about money. Also these guys sign up for this to be in the military. Not as if...
Has nothing to do for the military, it's all about money. Also these guys sign up for this to be in the military. Not as if they were drafted... At this point it's nothing but shallow "thank you for your service" these kids and the general public don't give a f@&k. It's empty. I could under stand it if we were in a war like WWll or Vietnam but were not. It's nothing but exploitation of the military, to make money put people in those seats. These young racers don't care.
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Speaking as a dad whos son served his time as a US Marine, Im grateful when the armed forces are recognized. These kids today VOLUNTEER to...
Speaking as a dad whos son served his time as a US Marine, Im grateful when the armed forces are recognized. These kids today VOLUNTEER to be put in harms way. I cant speak for the other branches, but when you sign up for the USMC you have no idea what your MOS will be before its all over. You are basically saying I am signing up to potentially be blown up by an IED for a measly E1 paycheck. If thats not admirable, I dont know what is.

So while you sir dont care when they did that last night, I can assure you there ARE persons who do appreciate it. Sorry you had to suffer such an inconvenience.

Thanks to Feld and anyone else who made that possible.
That calls for a loud USMC
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Oh, and thank you Rupert for your service, sir. Smile
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It doesn't matter who pays for Military Appreciation, it does matter that the men and women who serve/served know that we support them and that they are appreciated. I would hate to think what this country would be without them, we probably wouldn't be here giving opinion's from our keyboard's.
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RangerLee wrote:
The troops serving in the military, it is nothing about politics. No politics in why I joined. Politicians control what the military can do in a...
The troops serving in the military, it is nothing about politics. No politics in why I joined.

Politicians control what the military can do in a big picture sense, but just because you do not like what politician A decides to do, that does not change the fact that young men and woman volunteered to serve, for any number of reasons.

These appreciation nights are about those troops with boots on the ground. The unfortunate part though, the Military Pays for the appreciation nights, in every major sport. It is not done out of the goodness of the sporting authorities heart, be it supercross of NFL football. They would not have the night if the military did not pay them. A little hidden secret not many realize.

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I was told by the gang at Feld that it's not the case for them. They do it because they want to, not because they get...
I was told by the gang at Feld that it's not the case for them. They do it because they want to, not because they get paid. Back in the day, they seemed to have a lot of connection with Marines, Air Force, etc. That doesn't seem to be the case as much now.

For people in foreign countries that don't get it, I'll give you my .02 on why I think we do them.

The Viet Nam war was really unpopular, and a lot of the soldiers came back without a whole lot of thanks. I feel like we've been trying to make it up to them ever since. Add in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the toll it's taken on the vets mentally and physically, and it's a good thing to do. Seeing a lot of the vets there last night, many of whom were missing legs, etc., it does give you an appreciation for what they put on the line.

But on the other hand, military guys in So. Cal. have always been into moto. I remember back in the day at the Carlsbad USGP, there were tons of military guys there. Guys coming back from wars often end up with a taste for speed (think hot rods after WWII, etc.).
We all have our returning Vets with issues, and we have similar programs to Warfighter Made (dumb name BTW) , here in the UK, teams of injured Vets in motorsports in all aspects , and out Help For Heroes charity that does an awful lot of work. Our guys are coming back from the same places , wit the same issues, so its not just a US thing.

Granted, we didnt get into Vietnam, but the Gulf conflicts have not been popular either.

If Feld are doing the right thing, great , if they are being paid , not so good IMO.
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RangerLee wrote:
The troops serving in the military, it is nothing about politics. No politics in why I joined. Politicians control what the military can do in a...
The troops serving in the military, it is nothing about politics. No politics in why I joined.

Politicians control what the military can do in a big picture sense, but just because you do not like what politician A decides to do, that does not change the fact that young men and woman volunteered to serve, for any number of reasons.

These appreciation nights are about those troops with boots on the ground. The unfortunate part though, the Military Pays for the appreciation nights, in every major sport. It is not done out of the goodness of the sporting authorities heart, be it supercross of NFL football. They would not have the night if the military did not pay them. A little hidden secret not many realize.

I do recall hearing this about the NFL but is it also true with SX? If so, I would be highly disappointed. I do believe that SX, like most motorsports, has a very pro military audience and I would hate to think this was all just pomp and circumstance.
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Few things..
They're trying for fucks sake.. ease off a little
If you don't live in the USA your opinions on this matter are slightly invalid
Also, stop being so cynical guys. It's about appreciating the troops.
Finally, I will agree the riders segment could have been somehow better. I feel it made some of the guys look ignat a.f.
But Hill definitely stamped his place as my favorite west coast lites rider.
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Me, 1986, basic training. I joined my 17th birthday and left 3 days later. 6 ft 4, 145lb bad ass.

And I have more ear jokes than you so let em fly, lol

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This is my sons bike, but my 450 is done up in the same graphic scheme. We do appreciation everyday.







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Ben's first race after 9/11 and some graphics I threw together.


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It's one of those things where they seem to be pushing it so hard for appearances that it doesn't seem genuine. Side note: they did a...
It's one of those things where they seem to be pushing it so hard for appearances that it doesn't seem genuine.

Side note: they did a holeshot challenge between guys representing 6 different branches and one guy almost looped out and two guys tangled leaving one guy looking pretty hurt. Probably the last time for that.
Probably the last time they let Baggett coach any of the holeshot challenge participants.

I remember my first gate drop.
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We watched them start bombing Iraq from the day room in basic training at the time I thought it was bad ass. Now I look back and realize that it was fucking stupid.

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