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mxgoon 10/27/2016 4:05pm
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I think he'd right in the mix with the big 3.

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1: KR
2: RD
3: ET
4: JA21
5:MM
6: Seely
7: Webb

Webb is an awesome rider and was spectacular on the 250, BUT I havent seen that out of him on the 450 yet.

I bet he has a tough supercross only making a few podiums, but starts to mesh with the 450 half way through the outdoor season.

Thinking he will beat KR, RD or ET is a little too far fetched IMO.

I really like Webb so i hope he proves me wrong!!!!
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I see him top 5 right away and nabbing a win or two. Coop just has that winners mentality and will do anything to finish first.

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jeffro503 10/27/2016 8:47pm
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RPM68 wrote:
lol yall are trippin if you think he isnt gonna be battling for the title. He gonna be top 3 threat all year.
mx836 wrote:
Care to make a friendly wager? $20 to my charity of choice says he's not within 50 points of the champ after Vegas. I went with...
Care to make a friendly wager? $20 to my charity of choice says he's not within 50 points of the champ after Vegas. I went with such a big gap in points so you have a shot at winning. Wink Nothing against Cooper. He's just not on that level yet IMO.
I will gladly take that bet. How about $40.00? Make it a little more interesting? That's like 8 months to save up haha.
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When RV went up I was surprised how well he wènt I dont have Webb in the same Class.
Personally i dont think he will finish the season out I hope I am wrong but he would have to ride above what he has shown so far.
Should be an interesting first 5 races.
scooterwhipmoore 10/27/2016 9:03pm
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Musquin being a rookie last year lol....MF'er is 26, only a year younger than Milsap's. I hope Webb and Anderson pitch MM over a few burms this season. (Webb ahead of MM)
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MxRyder 10/27/2016 9:50pm
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Roczen and webb show all year long til either a injury or bike failure.... SX or Mx...i think tomac will have some good races as well.....everyone else will be fighting for 4th thru whatever
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He has not raced a 250 series yet in which he remained healthy and/or didn't dnf at some point. I see no reason why this will magically get better with more power and stiffer competition.
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Acidreamer wrote:
Top 10 for 2 sx seasons. We will see after that. forkner and ac will be in 450s around then so webb will have his hands...
Top 10 for 2 sx seasons. We will see after that. forkner and ac will be in 450s around then so webb will have his hands full for sure
AC? He shouldn't even be in the same sentence as Webb. AC is a great kid, but I don't think anyone in the 450 class should be worried about AC at this point.
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Cortami79 10/28/2016 3:30am
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I am wondering how he reacts when/if Anderson gives him a little love like he does with Seely, Brayton and almost every other guy out there
kaidoddragon 10/28/2016 3:34am
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He is showing great skills on the 450 in his next to last video on instagram.
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joeellis 10/28/2016 6:27am
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He will do well. His aggressiveness and riding style remind me of Tomac and Villapoto. He pushes and never gives up and rides on the edge just like those 2 imo. Many have mentioned his immaturity and hot headed nature. It gets him in trouble after the races because he voices his opinion in the heat of the moment. What I see on the track is even more focus and aggression when someone pisses him off. He becomes even faster. Let's not forget that Tomac hasn't been a good starter most of the time either and he's doing alright I'd say.

Cooper seems to be adjusting to the 450 just fine and I agree with most, there is nothing wrong with the Yamaha. Let's not forget, he was a tip over from leading the Americans to a possible win at the des Nations. He tipped over in a low speed turn in a rut you could hide a semi in near the end of the race. He was riding his ass off. Romain was pushing him hard and Cooper was managing to hold him off. He was just as fast as Musquin on the 250 too. He had trouble outdoors getting by Marvin because Marvin was crisscrossing all over the track, but Cooper was every bit as fast. I love Sealy, but he will need to be more aggressive or Cooper will have better results. Cole just backs down whenever Anderson gets anywhere near. Without the aggression necessary, a rider has no chance. Look at how much better Dungey is now.

Cooper will be just fine!
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jeffro503 wrote:
I will gladly take that bet. How about $40.00? Make it a little more interesting? That's like 8 months to save up haha.
Sounds good to me. You're on. No injury stipulations or any of that BS? Just 50 points or less from the champ, you win. Over 50, I win. Deal?
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GregDVT wrote:
Chad put the yamaha on the podium multiple times last season, Febrve won a world championship on it two years ago, and the 250 has three...
Chad put the yamaha on the podium multiple times last season, Febrve won a world championship on it two years ago, and the 250 has three straight championships outdoors 2 indoors. The reverse engineering is definitely messing these guys up...

If he has trouble it is because the premier class guys aren't going to allow him to start mid pack and charge to the front like he has been.
Please note that I didn't say he'll only have 7-10 speed. It's just that the Yamaha doesn't exactly have the reputation for being a scalpel, and unless his starts improve dramatically, he'll be carving his way through bowling balls like Anderson and Peick. I'm sure that he'll have race winning speed at times, but a 450 season requires good starts, consistency, and patience. I hope I'm wrong, because Webb is the most exciting thing to hit the 450 class in a while, but my 7-10 overall points prediction is just the way I see it.

As for Febrve, he doesn't race Supercross, and his bike isn't restricted by production rules. Chad Reed (who finished 5th) is one of the greatest (and most consistent) riders in the history of the sport. If Webb accomplishes half of what Reed has, that will be an awesome career.
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jeffro503 wrote:
I will gladly take that bet. How about $40.00? Make it a little more interesting? That's like 8 months to save up haha.
mx836 wrote:
Sounds good to me. You're on. No injury stipulations or any of that BS? Just 50 points or less from the champ, you win. Over 50...
Sounds good to me. You're on. No injury stipulations or any of that BS? Just 50 points or less from the champ, you win. Over 50, I win. Deal?
Sounds good man. Charity donation? If i lose I'd like to give it to St Jude. Always been a big supporter of their's.
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Sorry but no way he's faster than Kenny and Ryan
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jeffro503 wrote:
Sounds good man. Charity donation? If i lose I'd like to give it to St Jude. Always been a big supporter of their's.
St. Jude's works for me also! It's hardly losing if you're donating to a good cause.

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jeffro503 wrote:
Sounds good man. Charity donation? If i lose I'd like to give it to St Jude. Always been a big supporter of their's.
mx836 wrote:
St. Jude's works for me also! It's hardly losing if you're donating to a good cause.
This is very true

Edit:

Ronald McDonald house is also a good charity to give to. My godson has been at the Duke NICU for two months and his parents have been living free of charge and with three meals a day at the Ronald McDonald House.
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kaidoddragon wrote:
... compared to the the rookies we've had the last couple seasons ? 2017: Cooper Webb ? 2016: Marvin Musquin 7th 2015 : Cole Seely 3rd...
... compared to the the rookies we've had the last couple seasons ?
2017: Cooper Webb ?
2016: Marvin Musquin 7th
2015 : Cole Seely 3rd, Blake Baggett 5th, Jason Anderson 7th
2014: Ken Roczen 3rd
2013 Justin Barcia 4th
Phillip_Lamb wrote:
he's got the best record. most of those guys only picked up a sx (barcia musquin anderson) title or only an MX (tomac, baggett wilson) cooper...
he's got the best record. most of those guys only picked up a sx (barcia musquin anderson) title or only an MX (tomac, baggett wilson)

cooper is the comlete package with 2 sx and an MX two of which he won fighting through injury
Tomac won a SX title as well and could have won 3 if things fell into place better. I think of Webb as a poor mans Tomac so to say. A lot like Tomac but not quite as good, I don't think he has the raw speed of Tomac.
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peelout 10/28/2016 1:13pm
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clearly he's the second fastest racer in the world, as made evident by his number













(numbering system is gayer than the suzuki rider ****ing Justin Bieber at a Ricky Martin concert
kaidoddragon 10/28/2016 1:32pm
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... compared to the the rookies we've had the last couple seasons ? 2017: Cooper Webb ? 2016: Marvin Musquin 7th 2015 : Cole Seely 3rd...
... compared to the the rookies we've had the last couple seasons ?
2017: Cooper Webb ?
2016: Marvin Musquin 7th
2015 : Cole Seely 3rd, Blake Baggett 5th, Jason Anderson 7th
2014: Ken Roczen 3rd
2013 Justin Barcia 4th
Phillip_Lamb wrote:
he's got the best record. most of those guys only picked up a sx (barcia musquin anderson) title or only an MX (tomac, baggett wilson) cooper...
he's got the best record. most of those guys only picked up a sx (barcia musquin anderson) title or only an MX (tomac, baggett wilson)

cooper is the comlete package with 2 sx and an MX two of which he won fighting through injury
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Tomac won a SX title as well and could have won 3 if things fell into place better. I think of Webb as a poor mans...
Tomac won a SX title as well and could have won 3 if things fell into place better. I think of Webb as a poor mans Tomac so to say. A lot like Tomac but not quite as good, I don't think he has the raw speed of Tomac.
I am somehow agreeing with you but my point of view is that every top riders have weaknesses they need to eradicate and strong points they have to use to their advantage.

Eli strongest point throughout his career was his raw speed. Everyone knows here that when he is on his day (MXON 2014, Hangtown 2015, Southwick 2016) he's faster than anyone. That does not happen every day though... his main weaknesses are the starts (you either got it dialed or you don't...) and the injuries (since he's been on the 450, he has only been injured a couple times, but he was out for most of the 2014 SX season and the 2015 Nationals). We've also learn this year that he can be deafeted mentally (talk about Roczen to him...)

Cooper's strongest point is his mental (and he is one of the very best at that). He is the type of guy that can find a second or two faster for a few laps if he see the leader ahead of him and try to run him down. His raw speed was impressive on the 250, but not so much on the 450 (from what I've seen at MXON and I'm not saying he was slow, he was just not as fast as the front guys would have been (Tomac, Roczen etc) but their's room for improvement, let's say there was not enough practice), if he can find back the type of speed he show on the 250 the last couple years and be smoother on the 450, he'll be at a really good place... He also need to stay a full year on 2 wheels, which has been an issue (I'm personnally convinced he would have won the nationals last year if he was not injured but we will never know...)

Oh and of course, just like Eli, starts are really important. He was inconsistent on the 250 (holeshot a few times but was just in the top 10 most of the time) but he looked better on the 450 (doing holeshots at the MXGP of GH and MXON last year).
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jstein639 10/28/2016 1:41pm
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I think in the next 2-3 years he will be a title threat. For now though he will likely win some races and have inconsistency as he gets accustomed to the double length SX schedule.
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shaffstall721 wrote:
1: KR 2: RD 3: ET 4: JA21 5:MM 6: Seely 7: Webb Webb is an awesome rider and was spectacular on the 250, BUT I...
1: KR
2: RD
3: ET
4: JA21
5:MM
6: Seely
7: Webb

Webb is an awesome rider and was spectacular on the 250, BUT I havent seen that out of him on the 450 yet.

I bet he has a tough supercross only making a few podiums, but starts to mesh with the 450 half way through the outdoor season.

Thinking he will beat KR, RD or ET is a little too far fetched IMO.

I really like Webb so i hope he proves me wrong!!!!
Roczen and Dungey are too far ahead of him next year. Tomac is a mystery, but Webb will most certainly beat Seely and Anderson.
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wlauderdale219 10/28/2016 3:17pm
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I believe that eli, JA, MM, and webb will battle for that third spot all year. I think that point chase will be super close so 3rd to 6th. I believe ken wins the most races but of course dungey keeps it close bc always on the podium.
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sende wrote:
Roczen and Dungey are too far ahead of him next year. Tomac is a mystery, but Webb will most certainly beat Seely and Anderson.
I know he hadn't been on the bike long, and its no true point comparison, but Anderson was turning faster times than Webb at MXoN.
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sende 10/28/2016 4:19pm
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sende wrote:
Roczen and Dungey are too far ahead of him next year. Tomac is a mystery, but Webb will most certainly beat Seely and Anderson.
Dirty Points wrote:
I know he hadn't been on the bike long, and its no true point comparison, but Anderson was turning faster times than Webb at MXoN.
Anderson was better in MXoN yes.
I however based my opinion on several things, one of them being that Webb was blisteringly fast in this years SX. I think he'll carry that speed to 2017 and Anderson can't match it. neither can Seely.
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MxRyder wrote:
Roczen and webb show all year long til either a injury or bike failure.... SX or Mx...i think tomac will have some good races as well.....everyone...
Roczen and webb show all year long til either a injury or bike failure.... SX or Mx...i think tomac will have some good races as well.....everyone else will be fighting for 4th thru whatever
Not a single podium for the Champ? Bummer.
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Bodieg3 10/28/2016 6:23pm
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Acidreamer wrote:
Top 10 for 2 sx seasons. We will see after that. forkner and ac will be in 450s around then so webb will have his hands...
Top 10 for 2 sx seasons. We will see after that. forkner and ac will be in 450s around then so webb will have his hands full for sure
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AC? He shouldn't even be in the same sentence as Webb. AC is a great kid, but I don't think anyone in the 450 class should...
AC? He shouldn't even be in the same sentence as Webb. AC is a great kid, but I don't think anyone in the 450 class should be worried about AC at this point.
You sir are a damn fool ! Did cw win his first sx race ? Did cw win 2of 3 first races ? Did he win every mec race he entered ? No he didn't ! A healthy ac will smoke his ass just like he did in am comp as a much younger rider . Forkner on other hand may be good enough to villapoto the allesies
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Louie112 10/28/2016 6:34pm
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I think he'll win at least one. The kid is an animal

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