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Good job RandyS, you saved the day!
This is a tired thread and can't go away soon enough. It's the off season so stuff like this will get more posts then it deserves. The sooner it's deleted the better.
I give you props for your previous post on looking for some streams. You admitted it when I asked and I give you pops for being honest. Not being sarcastic here. Truly appreciate you replying with honesty to my question/statement earlier. Props to you.
Let's let this topic die. Let's talk motorcycles.
The point is , a couple guys on here got a stick up their ass and ruined something for a lot of people. There are far more people on here that would of loved to bought something from MXM either now or in the future , because we couldn't get that exact same thing any where else.....from anyone.
The POINT is that it had exactly zero affect on anyone on this site OR the companies listed on those jersey's....absolutely none!
The POINT is he was using logo's that nobody freaking uses any more , and thought of a great way to make something cool happen with it. Made a lot of the old school guys very happy with what he made them
The POINT is , some of you overly politically correct assholes have to ruin it for everyone else.....even when it had Nothing to do with you. Absolutely nothing.
"Sometimes ".....it's not a bad thing to turn the other cheek every once in a while. Look at the bigger picture and see that his product put a smile on people's faces because they could finally buy something they really wanted , and couldn't find any where else. This kind of stuff happens all the time in every industry , and you're blind if you don't know what I'm talking about.
Like I said....it rubbed a couple people the wrong way , which ruined it for the vast majority. But hey , at least the morally correct thing too do , was done , so we can all sleep better tonight. I'm so happy to know I have people watching out for me , so as they can tell me what's right , and what's wrong. I'm sure MXM was making money hand over fist with those few jersey's he sold. Basically ruining the business of all those poor big companies.
I didn't miss the point at all. I'm actually in the majority group who actually did " get it! "
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I called the guy on his bullshit, he took it to the next level. Apparently I finished it. But if there was all this demand why was this a closeout, there's more to the story.
Oh yeah, this was my last post on the subject. But I'm keeping
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And ... here we have the real reason for your posts. Agree that MXM responded in an argumentative manner, but this has truly been about you winning the argument. But some might say your tone is self-congratulatory, or even a bit smug.
Especially considering that you've added "The Gladys Kravitz of Vital," to your sig (from an earlier post, I've read the thread).
Perhaps being named after a character from a 60s sitcom can be the special take-away from this interaction, I don't suppose you'll be getting a retainer mailed from JT for your good deeds done here in the public interest.
As far as Vital goes, you guys are all aware this is a commercial site, right?
Any vendor selling here could contact the admin(s) and anyone's account would be blocked if those posters' comments were deemed as potentially inhibiting this site's ability to generate revenue. But don't confuse this instance as being "right" -- any more than the pirating video streams is "right." Because all I see here is that we all live in glass houses, just like I said earlier.
As far as "more to this story," nope, there is none. MXM was leaving the vintage stuff for the same reason that many others have.
You either end up dealing with plain morons or self-righteous ones. "Ill informed" is a constant whether in the former or latter case.
I've said my fill, this thread really does need to fade away. Good day sir, compliments on the rabbits.
I have no dog in this fight but you probably will not see any more links to race streams anymore due to the shiticane that blew through here.
Anyone have MXM's phone number? Please PM me if you have it. Wouldn't want Gladys to have to start another thread if you posted it in the open forum.
basically your saying someone should turn the other cheek? why? because it made people happy? apply that to almost any other illegal activity, plagiarism, or outright theft and see if that reasoning holds water.
and it doesn't hurt anyone? says who? you?
Do know anything about brand image, brand recognition, or brand integrity? Maybe they don't want their brand associated with outdated designs, or maybe they don't want products out there that don't represent the current ethos of the brand, Hell, I wouldn't want people putting my logo on items that I don't even get to check the quality of. There are a hundred reasons why a brand wouldn't want someone to use their logo that have nothing to do with an immediate bottom line (i.e. sales and gross profits).
I owned a large landscaping business at one point and when I sold it, they got all my clients, but they didn't get the name or the logo, even though I was getting out of the business completely. Why? because I didn't want any association with the quality of their work, which I had no idea if it was even bad or good. I was just preserving the good name I had built up, regardless of whether I would even ever be in that business again or not.
A well recognized brand and/or logo is worth money all on it's own. Thats why a guy can profit from just putting a logo on a shirt. If those shirts are so great, lets see him sell them without any corporate logos on them. Yeah...he wouldn't sell a single one, so he is essentially selling a logo.
...and why stop at jerseys. Why not buy some crappy ass plastic molds and make some plastic and use an outdated Acerbis logo, or UFO, or whatever. As long as you make them for old bikes that aren't currently being supported by the plastic companies, no biggie, just turn the other cheek, right?
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Don't get me wrong, the stuff is cool looking, but it's theft. Justifying that sort of thing is something that my 15yo with Aspbergers would do, "because it's cool and I want it".
That being said, all my responses were in that thread. I had no conversations with anyone about deleting it, etc, and didn't even realize that it'd popped back up til I got that message from Tracktor concerning comments that were probably a month old or more.
As cool as I thought the product looked, I wouldn't have purchased it knowing that it was an illegal knockoff. It's not that far removed from someone buying a stolen bike and rationalizing it by saying that the original owner received insurance so they aren't really losing anything. It's just rationalizing theft because "it's cool and I want it".
"Do know anything about brand image, brand recognition, or brand integrity? Maybe they don't want their brand associated with outdated designs, or maybe they don't want products out there that don't represent the current ethos of the brand, Hell, I wouldn't want people putting my logo on items that I don't even get to check the quality of. There are a hundred reasons why a brand wouldn't want someone to use their logo that have nothing to do with an immediate bottom line (i.e. sales and gross profits)."
Exactly.
Of the companies that logos are on thier bikes. I have even seen multiple oil and clothing logos on a couple bik s. Kids must just say get as many stickers on there as we can.
Selective enforcement is alive and well...
Some of the stuff in this thread reminds me of a polish firing squad. Jerseys, live stream links, what else can we do to right justice and take the enjoyment out of this site.
With all the licensing infringements and straight up theft going on you would think there would be bigger fish to fry. And I'm just going to assume that people intent on shutting down this jersey operation have purchased discounted items that have stolen designs, infringed trademarks or whatever. It's pretty hard not to anymore.
To the original point of the thread, nothing is stopping MXM from selling his jerseys on Ebay. He may or may not get caught there too.
Katoomey's explanation of brand integrity is what all the nay-sayers should focus on. I know big brands are the devil to many of you, yet they have spent decades getting their brand to be worthwhile in your eyes. They deserve to control where they are available.
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