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10/11/2016 6:13pm
Wow.

Good job RandyS, you saved the day! Dry
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10/11/2016 6:20pm
RandyS wrote:
GuyB, if you haven't already thought of it I believe an interview with an attorney representing one of the OEMs or apparel companies is in order...
GuyB, if you haven't already thought of it I believe an interview with an attorney representing one of the OEMs or apparel companies is in order. I'm sure you'd have no problem with finding takers.
An interview with an attorney? Come on bro, let it go. He had his threads deleted. That's just dumb. If you want to have guyb interview an attorney then be sure to get an attorney interviewed when posting links to illegal streams of races. I guarantee that the broadcasters have deeper pockets and more attorneys on retainer then the entire MX industry combined.

This is a tired thread and can't go away soon enough. It's the off season so stuff like this will get more posts then it deserves. The sooner it's deleted the better.

I give you props for your previous post on looking for some streams. You admitted it when I asked and I give you pops for being honest. Not being sarcastic here. Truly appreciate you replying with honesty to my question/statement earlier. Props to you.

Let's let this topic die. Let's talk motorcycles.
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10/11/2016 6:24pm
jeffro503 wrote:
Yep! What sucks about this whole thing is , it was copied / replica stuff from 30+ years ago , that hardly any of those sponsor...
Yep!

What sucks about this whole thing is , it was copied / replica stuff from 30+ years ago , that hardly any of those sponsor use , or will ever use again. MXM took some old , non-current stuff that nobody use's or see's , and made some cool stuff out of it.

Was it , is it...totally legal? Maybe not....but God damn man , was it seriously hurting any of those companies? Really? ....No it wasn't. Was MXM supplying some cool stuff to many guys here , that nobody else seems to of wanted to do , or take the time to do....Yeah , he was.

It didn't affect one person in this thread , or any of the companies that were listed on any of those items he was selling. But because someone wanted to " Lawyer up " on something so small , that wasn't hurting anyone.....basically just ruined it for everyone else.

Thanks dudes. I'm sure if MXM would have kept going , it would of made all those logo companies go bankrupt. Thanks for saving us all , and the rest of the planet from this evil do'er.
zehn wrote:
Yeah, you completely missed the point.
NO...I didn't miss the fucking point! But it sure seems like some on here have.

The point is , a couple guys on here got a stick up their ass and ruined something for a lot of people. There are far more people on here that would of loved to bought something from MXM either now or in the future , because we couldn't get that exact same thing any where else.....from anyone.

The POINT is that it had exactly zero affect on anyone on this site OR the companies listed on those jersey's....absolutely none!

The POINT is he was using logo's that nobody freaking uses any more , and thought of a great way to make something cool happen with it. Made a lot of the old school guys very happy with what he made them

The POINT is , some of you overly politically correct assholes have to ruin it for everyone else.....even when it had Nothing to do with you. Absolutely nothing.

"Sometimes ".....it's not a bad thing to turn the other cheek every once in a while. Look at the bigger picture and see that his product put a smile on people's faces because they could finally buy something they really wanted , and couldn't find any where else. This kind of stuff happens all the time in every industry , and you're blind if you don't know what I'm talking about.

Like I said....it rubbed a couple people the wrong way , which ruined it for the vast majority. But hey , at least the morally correct thing too do , was done , so we can all sleep better tonight. I'm so happy to know I have people watching out for me , so as they can tell me what's right , and what's wrong. I'm sure MXM was making money hand over fist with those few jersey's he sold. Basically ruining the business of all those poor big companies.

I didn't miss the point at all. I'm actually in the majority group who actually did " get it! "
10/11/2016 6:34pm
What the hell is going on here, I'm late to the party.
Hell if I know...but check out my cool shirt.

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10/11/2016 6:38pm
That needs to be deleted, immediately, it's racially insensitive.
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10/11/2016 6:44pm
I think this is the first thing I've ever done on here that's gotten me truly hated. I gotta do this more often.
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10/11/2016 6:48pm
RandyS wrote:
I think this is the first thing I've ever done on here that's gotten me truly hated. I gotta do this more often.
No hate coming from me Randy. I just think it wasn't a cool thing you did. A lot of old school guys were like kids at Christmas time with some of their new found stuff. Looks like none of us will have the chance to buy any of it now. It's a bummer really.
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10/11/2016 6:55pm
I couldn't agree with you more Jeffro.
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RandyS wrote:
I think this is the first thing I've ever done on here that's gotten me truly hated. I gotta do this more often.
Your just mad because you got your bunnies up in a bunch.
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10/11/2016 7:12pm Edited Date/Time 10/11/2016 7:13pm
RandyS wrote:
I think this is the first thing I've ever done on here that's gotten me truly hated. I gotta do this more often.
JWACK wrote:
Your just mad because you got your bunnies up in a bunch.
Leave my basket of bunnies out of this, they're innocent.

I called the guy on his bullshit, he took it to the next level. Apparently I finished it. But if there was all this demand why was this a closeout, there's more to the story.

Oh yeah, this was my last post on the subject. But I'm keeping

VVVVVVVVV for a while.
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10/11/2016 7:57pm
>I called the guy on his bullshit, he took it to the next level. Apparently I finished it.

And ... here we have the real reason for your posts. Agree that MXM responded in an argumentative manner, but this has truly been about you winning the argument. But some might say your tone is self-congratulatory, or even a bit smug.

Especially considering that you've added "The Gladys Kravitz of Vital," to your sig (from an earlier post, I've read the thread).

Perhaps being named after a character from a 60s sitcom can be the special take-away from this interaction, I don't suppose you'll be getting a retainer mailed from JT for your good deeds done here in the public interest.

As far as Vital goes, you guys are all aware this is a commercial site, right?

Any vendor selling here could contact the admin(s) and anyone's account would be blocked if those posters' comments were deemed as potentially inhibiting this site's ability to generate revenue. But don't confuse this instance as being "right" -- any more than the pirating video streams is "right." Because all I see here is that we all live in glass houses, just like I said earlier.

As far as "more to this story," nope, there is none. MXM was leaving the vintage stuff for the same reason that many others have.

You either end up dealing with plain morons or self-righteous ones. "Ill informed" is a constant whether in the former or latter case.

I've said my fill, this thread really does need to fade away. Good day sir, compliments on the rabbits.
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10/11/2016 8:04pm
RandyS wrote:
I think this is the first thing I've ever done on here that's gotten me truly hated. I gotta do this more often.
JWACK wrote:
Your just mad because you got your bunnies up in a bunch.
RandyS wrote:
Leave my basket of bunnies out of this, they're innocent. I called the guy on his bullshit, he took it to the next level. Apparently I...
Leave my basket of bunnies out of this, they're innocent.

I called the guy on his bullshit, he took it to the next level. Apparently I finished it. But if there was all this demand why was this a closeout, there's more to the story.

Oh yeah, this was my last post on the subject. But I'm keeping

VVVVVVVVV for a while.
The very first post in his thread about the jerseys was to keep any negative shit to yourself. So, in all actuality, you are the one that took it to the next level. Just sayin'

I have no dog in this fight but you probably will not see any more links to race streams anymore due to the shiticane that blew through here.

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10/11/2016 11:06pm
RandyS wrote:
GuyB, if you haven't already thought of it I believe an interview with an attorney representing one of the OEMs or apparel companies is in order...
GuyB, if you haven't already thought of it I believe an interview with an attorney representing one of the OEMs or apparel companies is in order. I'm sure you'd have no problem with finding takers.
Woohoo Woohoo Woohoo Woohoo Now I have heard it all !!
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10/11/2016 11:11pm Edited Date/Time 10/11/2016 11:15pm
APLMAN99 wrote:
The guy was obviously selling stuff he shouldn't have been. Definitely looked like cool stuff, but obviously not legal. His reaction when called out was the...
The guy was obviously selling stuff he shouldn't have been. Definitely looked like cool stuff, but obviously not legal. His reaction when called out was the funny part, and I doubt it would have gotten deleted if he hadn't have been such a prick about it.

I forgot all about that until I got a message about it earlier today, must have been when randy found the thread or something.

Got a note with lots of hugs and kisses from Tracktor because I was pointing out that what the guy was doing wasn't legal!

Love you too, Tracktor!



You have to admit that you went in there and posted for no other reason than to stir the shit. MXM was having a going out of business sale and would be done making his "illegal" small nitch jerseys so he was pretty much done and he was making something you could not get anymore so it was a very small group of people who were buying, so small in fact that he was closing up shop. But believe me if he made the old 70s style yellow Moto-x fox jerseys I would have bought ten of them, too bad most everything he made was white.
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>I called the guy on his bullshit, he took it to the next level. Apparently I finished it. And ... here we have the real reason...
>I called the guy on his bullshit, he took it to the next level. Apparently I finished it.

And ... here we have the real reason for your posts. Agree that MXM responded in an argumentative manner, but this has truly been about you winning the argument. But some might say your tone is self-congratulatory, or even a bit smug.

Especially considering that you've added "The Gladys Kravitz of Vital," to your sig (from an earlier post, I've read the thread).

Perhaps being named after a character from a 60s sitcom can be the special take-away from this interaction, I don't suppose you'll be getting a retainer mailed from JT for your good deeds done here in the public interest.

As far as Vital goes, you guys are all aware this is a commercial site, right?

Any vendor selling here could contact the admin(s) and anyone's account would be blocked if those posters' comments were deemed as potentially inhibiting this site's ability to generate revenue. But don't confuse this instance as being "right" -- any more than the pirating video streams is "right." Because all I see here is that we all live in glass houses, just like I said earlier.

As far as "more to this story," nope, there is none. MXM was leaving the vintage stuff for the same reason that many others have.

You either end up dealing with plain morons or self-righteous ones. "Ill informed" is a constant whether in the former or latter case.

I've said my fill, this thread really does need to fade away. Good day sir, compliments on the rabbits.
I guess if being called the busy body, can't mind her own business, annoying bitch of Vital makes RandyS proud then that's cool. Too bad Endora or Uncle Arthur aren't around to change him into something more worthwhile.

Anyone have MXM's phone number? Please PM me if you have it. Wouldn't want Gladys to have to start another thread if you posted it in the open forum.
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jeffro503 wrote:
NO...I didn't miss the fucking point! But it sure seems like some on here have. The point is , a couple guys on here got a...
NO...I didn't miss the fucking point! But it sure seems like some on here have.

The point is , a couple guys on here got a stick up their ass and ruined something for a lot of people. There are far more people on here that would of loved to bought something from MXM either now or in the future , because we couldn't get that exact same thing any where else.....from anyone.

The POINT is that it had exactly zero affect on anyone on this site OR the companies listed on those jersey's....absolutely none!

The POINT is he was using logo's that nobody freaking uses any more , and thought of a great way to make something cool happen with it. Made a lot of the old school guys very happy with what he made them

The POINT is , some of you overly politically correct assholes have to ruin it for everyone else.....even when it had Nothing to do with you. Absolutely nothing.

"Sometimes ".....it's not a bad thing to turn the other cheek every once in a while. Look at the bigger picture and see that his product put a smile on people's faces because they could finally buy something they really wanted , and couldn't find any where else. This kind of stuff happens all the time in every industry , and you're blind if you don't know what I'm talking about.

Like I said....it rubbed a couple people the wrong way , which ruined it for the vast majority. But hey , at least the morally correct thing too do , was done , so we can all sleep better tonight. I'm so happy to know I have people watching out for me , so as they can tell me what's right , and what's wrong. I'm sure MXM was making money hand over fist with those few jersey's he sold. Basically ruining the business of all those poor big companies.

I didn't miss the point at all. I'm actually in the majority group who actually did " get it! "
your reasoning is completely flawed.

basically your saying someone should turn the other cheek? why? because it made people happy? apply that to almost any other illegal activity, plagiarism, or outright theft and see if that reasoning holds water.

and it doesn't hurt anyone? says who? you?

Do know anything about brand image, brand recognition, or brand integrity? Maybe they don't want their brand associated with outdated designs, or maybe they don't want products out there that don't represent the current ethos of the brand, Hell, I wouldn't want people putting my logo on items that I don't even get to check the quality of. There are a hundred reasons why a brand wouldn't want someone to use their logo that have nothing to do with an immediate bottom line (i.e. sales and gross profits).

I owned a large landscaping business at one point and when I sold it, they got all my clients, but they didn't get the name or the logo, even though I was getting out of the business completely. Why? because I didn't want any association with the quality of their work, which I had no idea if it was even bad or good. I was just preserving the good name I had built up, regardless of whether I would even ever be in that business again or not.

A well recognized brand and/or logo is worth money all on it's own. Thats why a guy can profit from just putting a logo on a shirt. If those shirts are so great, lets see him sell them without any corporate logos on them. Yeah...he wouldn't sell a single one, so he is essentially selling a logo.

...and why stop at jerseys. Why not buy some crappy ass plastic molds and make some plastic and use an outdated Acerbis logo, or UFO, or whatever. As long as you make them for old bikes that aren't currently being supported by the plastic companies, no biggie, just turn the other cheek, right?






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i'm certainly going to be interested in how this works concerning the illegal streams being posted here that are definitely costing companies money
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10/12/2016 6:07am
APLMAN99 wrote:
The guy was obviously selling stuff he shouldn't have been. Definitely looked like cool stuff, but obviously not legal. His reaction when called out was the...
The guy was obviously selling stuff he shouldn't have been. Definitely looked like cool stuff, but obviously not legal. His reaction when called out was the funny part, and I doubt it would have gotten deleted if he hadn't have been such a prick about it.

I forgot all about that until I got a message about it earlier today, must have been when randy found the thread or something.

Got a note with lots of hugs and kisses from Tracktor because I was pointing out that what the guy was doing wasn't legal!

Love you too, Tracktor!



lostboy819 wrote:
You have to admit that you went in there and posted for no other reason than to stir the shit. MXM was having a going out...
You have to admit that you went in there and posted for no other reason than to stir the shit. MXM was having a going out of business sale and would be done making his "illegal" small nitch jerseys so he was pretty much done and he was making something you could not get anymore so it was a very small group of people who were buying, so small in fact that he was closing up shop. But believe me if he made the old 70s style yellow Moto-x fox jerseys I would have bought ten of them, too bad most everything he made was white.
I asked him about that because I wanted an original style red, white and blue Team Honda jersey. He said it was because of the sublimated printing process. Apparently he is buying blank white jerseys. If I understood him right, the way they do the colored ones today, you have to print the material before it is sewn together to get a red jersey, for example. I may not be explaining it 100% accurate but I'm in the ballpark.
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10/12/2016 6:32am
What a shitstorm over a guy selling shirts. Some people need to focus their (self-righteous) energy to something that actually matters.
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10/12/2016 6:34am
APLMAN99 wrote:
The guy was obviously selling stuff he shouldn't have been. Definitely looked like cool stuff, but obviously not legal. His reaction when called out was the...
The guy was obviously selling stuff he shouldn't have been. Definitely looked like cool stuff, but obviously not legal. His reaction when called out was the funny part, and I doubt it would have gotten deleted if he hadn't have been such a prick about it.

I forgot all about that until I got a message about it earlier today, must have been when randy found the thread or something.

Got a note with lots of hugs and kisses from Tracktor because I was pointing out that what the guy was doing wasn't legal!

Love you too, Tracktor!



lostboy819 wrote:
You have to admit that you went in there and posted for no other reason than to stir the shit. MXM was having a going out...
You have to admit that you went in there and posted for no other reason than to stir the shit. MXM was having a going out of business sale and would be done making his "illegal" small nitch jerseys so he was pretty much done and he was making something you could not get anymore so it was a very small group of people who were buying, so small in fact that he was closing up shop. But believe me if he made the old 70s style yellow Moto-x fox jerseys I would have bought ten of them, too bad most everything he made was white.
No, I didn't initially post in there to stir up shit. My initial post simply questioned whether the product was legally licensed or not. MXM's reply made it very clear that it wasn't.

Don't get me wrong, the stuff is cool looking, but it's theft. Justifying that sort of thing is something that my 15yo with Aspbergers would do, "because it's cool and I want it".

That being said, all my responses were in that thread. I had no conversations with anyone about deleting it, etc, and didn't even realize that it'd popped back up til I got that message from Tracktor concerning comments that were probably a month old or more.

As cool as I thought the product looked, I wouldn't have purchased it knowing that it was an illegal knockoff. It's not that far removed from someone buying a stolen bike and rationalizing it by saying that the original owner received insurance so they aren't really losing anything. It's just rationalizing theft because "it's cool and I want it".

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10/12/2016 6:56am
jeffro503 wrote:
NO...I didn't miss the fucking point! But it sure seems like some on here have. The point is , a couple guys on here got a...
NO...I didn't miss the fucking point! But it sure seems like some on here have.

The point is , a couple guys on here got a stick up their ass and ruined something for a lot of people. There are far more people on here that would of loved to bought something from MXM either now or in the future , because we couldn't get that exact same thing any where else.....from anyone.

The POINT is that it had exactly zero affect on anyone on this site OR the companies listed on those jersey's....absolutely none!

The POINT is he was using logo's that nobody freaking uses any more , and thought of a great way to make something cool happen with it. Made a lot of the old school guys very happy with what he made them

The POINT is , some of you overly politically correct assholes have to ruin it for everyone else.....even when it had Nothing to do with you. Absolutely nothing.

"Sometimes ".....it's not a bad thing to turn the other cheek every once in a while. Look at the bigger picture and see that his product put a smile on people's faces because they could finally buy something they really wanted , and couldn't find any where else. This kind of stuff happens all the time in every industry , and you're blind if you don't know what I'm talking about.

Like I said....it rubbed a couple people the wrong way , which ruined it for the vast majority. But hey , at least the morally correct thing too do , was done , so we can all sleep better tonight. I'm so happy to know I have people watching out for me , so as they can tell me what's right , and what's wrong. I'm sure MXM was making money hand over fist with those few jersey's he sold. Basically ruining the business of all those poor big companies.

I didn't miss the point at all. I'm actually in the majority group who actually did " get it! "
Sweet...another mini-jeffro meltdown. Good times!
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10/12/2016 7:05am
RandyS wrote:
GuyB, if you haven't already thought of it I believe an interview with an attorney representing one of the OEMs or apparel companies is in order...
GuyB, if you haven't already thought of it I believe an interview with an attorney representing one of the OEMs or apparel companies is in order. I'm sure you'd have no problem with finding takers.
lostboy819 wrote:
Woohoo Woohoo Woohoo Woohoo Now I have heard it all !!
Just what motocross needs, more lawyers involved Sick
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As far,as I'm concerned big multinational corporations have been stealing from the people for years by not paying their fair share of the taxes! I'm all for the little guy stealing some back!
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Katoomey:
"Do know anything about brand image, brand recognition, or brand integrity? Maybe they don't want their brand associated with outdated designs, or maybe they don't want products out there that don't represent the current ethos of the brand, Hell, I wouldn't want people putting my logo on items that I don't even get to check the quality of. There are a hundred reasons why a brand wouldn't want someone to use their logo that have nothing to do with an immediate bottom line (i.e. sales and gross profits)."

Exactly.
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10/12/2016 9:28am
I have always wondered if all the fly by night graphic companies pay royalties to add all of the logos of guys that are supposedly sponsored by. I know for damn sure some of these kids aren't in contract with all
Of the companies that logos are on thier bikes. I have even seen multiple oil and clothing logos on a couple bik s. Kids must just say get as many stickers on there as we can.
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10/12/2016 9:51am
Cygnus wrote:
I have always wondered if all the fly by night graphic companies pay royalties to add all of the logos of guys that are supposedly sponsored...
I have always wondered if all the fly by night graphic companies pay royalties to add all of the logos of guys that are supposedly sponsored by. I know for damn sure some of these kids aren't in contract with all
Of the companies that logos are on thier bikes. I have even seen multiple oil and clothing logos on a couple bik s. Kids must just say get as many stickers on there as we can.
Nope. It's funny how the graphic industry is largely unchecked. My buddy that does graphics did get a cease and desist letter from KTM of all places. It's comical since he's a guy that does graphics for a handful of guys and does more vehicle wraps, signs and things of that nature. For the small number of graphics he produces in a year, you'd think they'd go after a bigger player. After that he slowed way down on what logos he would use and wouldn't use. He just didn't want to invite a bigger problem to effect the other aspect of his business.

Selective enforcement is alive and well...
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10/12/2016 9:54am Edited Date/Time 10/12/2016 9:55am
APLMAN99 wrote:
No, I didn't initially post in there to stir up shit. My initial post simply questioned whether the product was legally licensed or not. MXM's reply...
No, I didn't initially post in there to stir up shit. My initial post simply questioned whether the product was legally licensed or not. MXM's reply made it very clear that it wasn't.

Don't get me wrong, the stuff is cool looking, but it's theft. Justifying that sort of thing is something that my 15yo with Aspbergers would do, "because it's cool and I want it".

That being said, all my responses were in that thread. I had no conversations with anyone about deleting it, etc, and didn't even realize that it'd popped back up til I got that message from Tracktor concerning comments that were probably a month old or more.

As cool as I thought the product looked, I wouldn't have purchased it knowing that it was an illegal knockoff. It's not that far removed from someone buying a stolen bike and rationalizing it by saying that the original owner received insurance so they aren't really losing anything. It's just rationalizing theft because "it's cool and I want it".

You've stated twice now in this thread that you are sure the stuff isn't legal. Is that a fact or an assumption on your part? Most statements in this thread are assumptions. MXM has this stuff up on eBay, which is way more stringent than Vital on trademarks, etc, and he's proven to them on multiple occasions, with documentation, that he's selling this stuff legally.
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jeffro503 wrote:
Yep! What sucks about this whole thing is , it was copied / replica stuff from 30+ years ago , that hardly any of those sponsor...
Yep!

What sucks about this whole thing is , it was copied / replica stuff from 30+ years ago , that hardly any of those sponsor use , or will ever use again. MXM took some old , non-current stuff that nobody use's or see's , and made some cool stuff out of it.

Was it , is it...totally legal? Maybe not....but God damn man , was it seriously hurting any of those companies? Really? ....No it wasn't. Was MXM supplying some cool stuff to many guys here , that nobody else seems to of wanted to do , or take the time to do....Yeah , he was.

It didn't affect one person in this thread , or any of the companies that were listed on any of those items he was selling. But because someone wanted to " Lawyer up " on something so small , that wasn't hurting anyone.....basically just ruined it for everyone else.

Thanks dudes. I'm sure if MXM would have kept going , it would of made all those logo companies go bankrupt. Thanks for saving us all , and the rest of the planet from this evil do'er.
zehn wrote:
Yeah, you completely missed the point.
jeffro503 wrote:
NO...I didn't miss the fucking point! But it sure seems like some on here have. The point is , a couple guys on here got a...
NO...I didn't miss the fucking point! But it sure seems like some on here have.

The point is , a couple guys on here got a stick up their ass and ruined something for a lot of people. There are far more people on here that would of loved to bought something from MXM either now or in the future , because we couldn't get that exact same thing any where else.....from anyone.

The POINT is that it had exactly zero affect on anyone on this site OR the companies listed on those jersey's....absolutely none!

The POINT is he was using logo's that nobody freaking uses any more , and thought of a great way to make something cool happen with it. Made a lot of the old school guys very happy with what he made them

The POINT is , some of you overly politically correct assholes have to ruin it for everyone else.....even when it had Nothing to do with you. Absolutely nothing.

"Sometimes ".....it's not a bad thing to turn the other cheek every once in a while. Look at the bigger picture and see that his product put a smile on people's faces because they could finally buy something they really wanted , and couldn't find any where else. This kind of stuff happens all the time in every industry , and you're blind if you don't know what I'm talking about.

Like I said....it rubbed a couple people the wrong way , which ruined it for the vast majority. But hey , at least the morally correct thing too do , was done , so we can all sleep better tonight. I'm so happy to know I have people watching out for me , so as they can tell me what's right , and what's wrong. I'm sure MXM was making money hand over fist with those few jersey's he sold. Basically ruining the business of all those poor big companies.

I didn't miss the point at all. I'm actually in the majority group who actually did " get it! "
Amen jeffro.

Some of the stuff in this thread reminds me of a polish firing squad. Jerseys, live stream links, what else can we do to right justice and take the enjoyment out of this site.

With all the licensing infringements and straight up theft going on you would think there would be bigger fish to fry. And I'm just going to assume that people intent on shutting down this jersey operation have purchased discounted items that have stolen designs, infringed trademarks or whatever. It's pretty hard not to anymore.

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10/12/2016 10:14am Edited Date/Time 10/12/2016 10:21am
Cygnus wrote:
I have always wondered if all the fly by night graphic companies pay royalties to add all of the logos of guys that are supposedly sponsored...
I have always wondered if all the fly by night graphic companies pay royalties to add all of the logos of guys that are supposedly sponsored by. I know for damn sure some of these kids aren't in contract with all
Of the companies that logos are on thier bikes. I have even seen multiple oil and clothing logos on a couple bik s. Kids must just say get as many stickers on there as we can.
Nope. It's funny how the graphic industry is largely unchecked. My buddy that does graphics did get a cease and desist letter from KTM of all...
Nope. It's funny how the graphic industry is largely unchecked. My buddy that does graphics did get a cease and desist letter from KTM of all places. It's comical since he's a guy that does graphics for a handful of guys and does more vehicle wraps, signs and things of that nature. For the small number of graphics he produces in a year, you'd think they'd go after a bigger player. After that he slowed way down on what logos he would use and wouldn't use. He just didn't want to invite a bigger problem to effect the other aspect of his business.

Selective enforcement is alive and well...
Technically these graphic companies are supposed to hold themselves to a higher standard that the customer needs to provide a letter of consent from the brands on the graphics. Some do, many don't. The graphics companies run the risk by going forward with no consent, and most of the time they will go unnoticed.

To the original point of the thread, nothing is stopping MXM from selling his jerseys on Ebay. He may or may not get caught there too.

Katoomey's explanation of brand integrity is what all the nay-sayers should focus on. I know big brands are the devil to many of you, yet they have spent decades getting their brand to be worthwhile in your eyes. They deserve to control where they are available.
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your reasoning is completely flawed. basically your saying someone should turn the other cheek? why? because it made people happy? apply that to almost any other...
your reasoning is completely flawed.

basically your saying someone should turn the other cheek? why? because it made people happy? apply that to almost any other illegal activity, plagiarism, or outright theft and see if that reasoning holds water.

and it doesn't hurt anyone? says who? you?

Do know anything about brand image, brand recognition, or brand integrity? Maybe they don't want their brand associated with outdated designs, or maybe they don't want products out there that don't represent the current ethos of the brand, Hell, I wouldn't want people putting my logo on items that I don't even get to check the quality of. There are a hundred reasons why a brand wouldn't want someone to use their logo that have nothing to do with an immediate bottom line (i.e. sales and gross profits).

I owned a large landscaping business at one point and when I sold it, they got all my clients, but they didn't get the name or the logo, even though I was getting out of the business completely. Why? because I didn't want any association with the quality of their work, which I had no idea if it was even bad or good. I was just preserving the good name I had built up, regardless of whether I would even ever be in that business again or not.

A well recognized brand and/or logo is worth money all on it's own. Thats why a guy can profit from just putting a logo on a shirt. If those shirts are so great, lets see him sell them without any corporate logos on them. Yeah...he wouldn't sell a single one, so he is essentially selling a logo.

...and why stop at jerseys. Why not buy some crappy ass plastic molds and make some plastic and use an outdated Acerbis logo, or UFO, or whatever. As long as you make them for old bikes that aren't currently being supported by the plastic companies, no biggie, just turn the other cheek, right?






I bet there is a market for blue honda plastic the early 90s.

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