Old School trademark infringement

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I know there are a few lawyers here, I'm very interested to hear their views on this.

(Note from GuyB: thread has been deleted, due to spam level, and questionable trademark usage.)
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500guy 10/11/2016 8:52am
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I think you are right but how dare you call someone out for it. LMAO

Logo , trade name what ever they call it, I do not think these are any different than counterfeit Rolex watches.
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500guy 10/11/2016 8:53am
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Maybe they don't care because they don't know ? You can bet your ass they care.
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RandyS 10/11/2016 8:59am
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I had never seen or read an MXM post that I know of prior to last night.
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Jeez, you'd think that he was selling an exhaust

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Aceofspades 10/11/2016 9:02am
10/11/2016 9:02am
There are 3 guys who have turned those threads into a shitshow of trying to explain copyright law to everbody when they arent even lawyers. NO ONE CARES. If GUYB sees a problem, he will delete the threads, or MXM will be sued into the stone age. Why are you other guys acting like its money from your pockets? I can see leaving one comment, but some of you guys are literally a dozen comments deep over it.
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TXDirt 10/11/2016 9:06am
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How many of you complaining about a guy making a few jerseys are the same ones always asking for links to pirated content cause you don't want to pay the 6 dollars to watch a race? Raise your hand and be honest. Whistling
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500guy 10/11/2016 9:07am
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aside from this post show me my comments on this subject prior to now.

You seem more vested in this than anyone.
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ns503 10/11/2016 9:08am
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If bad things happen from selling this stuff, they will happen to MXM.

They won't happen to the guys complaining.

So why raise a stink? If there is any risk - you're not the one at risk.

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Grieby54 10/11/2016 9:09am
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RandyS wrote:
I know there are a few lawyers here, I'm very interested to hear their views on this. (Note from GuyB: thread has been deleted, due to...
I know there are a few lawyers here, I'm very interested to hear their views on this.

(Note from GuyB: thread has been deleted, due to spam level, and questionable trademark usage.)
I just don't understand why you give a damn and why it's important enough for you to post a new thread in here.
Aceofspades 10/11/2016 9:10am
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500guy wrote:
aside from this post show me my comments on this subject prior to now.

You seem more vested in this than anyone.
Its because I read old school moto and Im sick of the thread derails by a couple of internet copyright experts giving opinions on a topic nobody but they care about. My interest begins and ends there. One expert got so mad he said "see you in moto related!" and started this thread.
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500guy 10/11/2016 9:13am
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Grieby54 wrote:
I just don't understand why you give a damn and why it's important enough for you to post a new thread in here.
I'm thinking He gives a damm because it's not legit, it's steeling and He has experience with this sort of thing and knows the legit people have to pay to use other peoples names and logo's.


I give a dam because it's hard enough for companies to make money without people steeling from them.
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RandyS 10/11/2016 9:15am
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TXDirt wrote:
How many of you complaining about a guy making a few jerseys are the same ones always asking for links to pirated content cause you don't...
How many of you complaining about a guy making a few jerseys are the same ones always asking for links to pirated content cause you don't want to pay the 6 dollars to watch a race? Raise your hand and be honest. Whistling
I'll be honest. Last weekend I tried to find the CBS Sports stream to watch the SMX race. I have Playstation Vue, Netflix, and Amazon Prime and it's not an option. I struggled morally with it, I have paid for CBS Sports for years and rarely watched it. When I dumped Dish a few months ago I lost it. I never got it to work but trying was wrong, I have a six year old son and I'm trying real hard to teach him right from wrong. Even though he doesn't know, I failed on Saturday, I don't try to justify it and I won't do it again.
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Dtat720 10/11/2016 9:18am
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MXM is actually 100% correct if he has truly researched each logo as he says. Patents, TM's, etc. are only protected for 10 or 15 years depending on which avenue is taken, after that it is open for protection renewal or can be denied and left for the open market or the owner can simply not apply for protection again and it becomes part of the free use market. A lot of butthurt in that thread....
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RandyS 10/11/2016 9:19am
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I've owned or been a part of about a half dozen companies with trademarks. I've also produced small run apparel for about half of the OEMs in the powersport industry. I'm not an expert but I have a pretty good grasp of the process and protections.
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mx836 10/11/2016 9:21am
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Aceofspades wrote:
Its because I read old school moto and Im sick of the thread derails by a couple of internet copyright experts giving opinions on a topic...
Its because I read old school moto and Im sick of the thread derails by a couple of internet copyright experts giving opinions on a topic nobody but they care about. My interest begins and ends there. One expert got so mad he said "see you in moto related!" and started this thread.
Sad, isn't it? Neener neener neener, I'm going to tell on you to the guys in moto-reated !! Who gives a shit.
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slipdog 10/11/2016 9:25am
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I'm definitely interested in seeing where this thread goes. I don't care personally, but it sure does seem fishy to me.
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jeffro503 10/11/2016 9:32am
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I don't want to step on anyone's toes here , but the majority of those companies are multi million and multi billion dollar companies. The fact that a guy uses these old and extinct logo's to re-produce something old school doesn't hurt the bottom line of these huge companies at all. Is it wrong in some people's eyes?....yeah. But is it truly hurting any of those companies?.....No. My opinion is that those old school jersey's are pretty damn cool , and if a guy can make a couple bucks by reproducing something that damn cool , more power to him.

You have to admit....some ( OK , all of them ) are pretty damn Rad!
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MR. X 10/11/2016 9:34am
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Just pay for the merchandise with counterfeit money,it should be able to go both ways.

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Crisp BRAAAP! 10/11/2016 9:35am
10/11/2016 9:35am
I just want to hear the motocross stuff.
Graybeard 10/11/2016 9:36am
10/11/2016 9:36am
I'm kinda glad I saw this! Those jerseys are the shit! Gettin' me a Peak Honda jersey! Woohoo!
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JBlain619 10/11/2016 9:45am
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MR. X wrote:
Just pay for the merchandise with counterfeit money,it should be able to go both ways.
Umm negative...one is a federal offense and the other is a civil lawsuit (copyright infringement).

No dog in this fight but I was curious. A quick google search brought me to this.

https://www.stopfakes.gov/article?id=How-Long-Does-Patent-Trademark-or-…

I think MXM's stuff is baddass and if the companies don't care, good on him to have the forethought to grab this niche market.
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hellion 10/11/2016 9:46am
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Jeez, guy is providing something that no one else will, or ever would, that hurts nobody, and you give him a hard time?! I would understand if he was copying and trying to sell modern Fox clothes or Oakley sunglasses. That kind of thing drives me nuts. But this is different, and it'll be a shame if any of this makes MXM go away. Rather, I hope it emboldens him.
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jeffro503 10/11/2016 9:54am
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I do want to add to what I said above. MXM is also selling things that the companies no longer sell , haven't in years. It's why I brought up how I wouldn't think it's hurting anyone's bottom dollar. A lot of his stuff is 30+ yr old designs that you just can't simply buy any more. For my own selfish reason's , I really hope he keeps making this stuff , because it's totally badass.
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RandyS 10/11/2016 9:54am
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I made a reply calling bullshit on his claims, he chose to attack me personally, and say I should thank him for doing something nobody else would. Well there is a reason people won't. I made sure all the companies knew to make their own judgements. Worst case he will get cease and desist letters from a few people. Just because most won't waste the time doesn't make it any less illegal and immoral.
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olds cool 10/11/2016 10:03am
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TXDirt wrote:
How many of you complaining about a guy making a few jerseys are the same ones always asking for links to pirated content cause you don't...
How many of you complaining about a guy making a few jerseys are the same ones always asking for links to pirated content cause you don't want to pay the 6 dollars to watch a race? Raise your hand and be honest. Whistling
Boom.

All I know is I ordered and have received 2 jerseys and a pit shirt from MXM and they are the shiznit. Looks great, feels great, the detail in the sublimated printing is off the chart and I can't wait to ride in them. Oh, and his customer service was better than any Moto company that I have ever dealt with, so hate on that too while y'all are at it.

The only "steeling" going on here is the strangest boners that some of you Perry Mason's' are getting over this. Go out and ride, you'll feel better. Tongue
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Dtat720 10/11/2016 10:04am
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I guess you completely overlooked, or disregarded his explanation on having contacted all logo owners, discussing with them what he is doing and having their consent? I mean, it was on the first page of the thread.... have to be a complete dumbass to not see it. Making sure all involved are informed is pretty childish seeing as how he has already been given the ok by all you contacted. Wow....
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ZOOK250 10/11/2016 10:10am
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i really cant figure out why someone gets butt hurt and tries to ruin something good for everyone else. take a deep breath and let it go. if JT decides to make a David Bailey replica from 1983 , i would buy it from them, but they haven't so i bought it from MXM. excellent quality.
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JBlain619 10/11/2016 10:18am
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olds cool wrote:
Boom. All I know is I ordered and have received 2 jerseys and a pit shirt from MXM and they are the shiznit. Looks great, feels...
Boom.

All I know is I ordered and have received 2 jerseys and a pit shirt from MXM and they are the shiznit. Looks great, feels great, the detail in the sublimated printing is off the chart and I can't wait to ride in them. Oh, and his customer service was better than any Moto company that I have ever dealt with, so hate on that too while y'all are at it.

The only "steeling" going on here is the strangest boners that some of you Perry Mason's' are getting over this. Go out and ride, you'll feel better. Tongue
HAHAHAHAHAHA I saw the "steeling" too and got a chuckle!
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RandyS 10/11/2016 10:18am
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Dtat720 wrote:
I guess you completely overlooked, or disregarded his explanation on having contacted all logo owners, discussing with them what he is doing and having their consent...
I guess you completely overlooked, or disregarded his explanation on having contacted all logo owners, discussing with them what he is doing and having their consent? I mean, it was on the first page of the thread.... have to be a complete dumbass to not see it. Making sure all involved are informed is pretty childish seeing as how he has already been given the ok by all you contacted. Wow....
I saw a very vague reference to conversations with every company that's still around followed by justification as to why the marks weren't enforceable. You don't just call someone on the phone and get legal authority. Surely there is a paper trail, he is free to back up his claims and I will gladly apologize.
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GuyB 10/11/2016 10:22am
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slipdog wrote:
I'm definitely interested in seeing where this thread goes. I don't care personally, but it sure does seem fishy to me.
It bit the dust due to spam level.

Also, I do think it's questionable about the logo usage.

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