Something every American here needs to read!

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I saw this post in another thread by a member here called " RangerLee ". Lee.....I hope I don't embarrass you too much , but your post was so good and so full of pride I think others should have a chance to read and reply to it. And by the way Ranger Lee , thank you for your service!



RangerLee wrote:

I hope I can put in to words properly to state how I feel.

6 days a week in Regiment, up earlier then anyone, training, all day. One of those days we will play a sport, usually football, soccer or basketball. The other days, PT first thing, then Tactical maneuvers, force marches, more maneuvers. Through rifle training. It is tiring, and there was not a season for it.

I wish I could have called of a deployment, I trained so hard, I just do not feel like going to Iraq for months to fight, I need a break.

Instead, take that training, that thing that made my buddies and me good at our jobs and put them to use.

These great motorcycle racers have had great opportunity, all of them from every country, but I am speaking about the Americans this time. They had great opportunity, some to home school, so they could ride and train during the day. Sponsors at an early age to help with racing through the early years. Finally make decent money racing professionally. Something they may not have had growing up somewhere else, at least not at the level they have it now.

They have fans that pay alot of money to see them race. Fans that work their ass off, ride in their spare time and live vicariously through the pro races.

I wonder if the sense of pride the US team used to feel is gone for many of the riders. Yes you raced supercross, and then the outdoors. Now, just a few weeks at the end of the outdoors just one more race, for the Country, for the population that supported you the whole year and will continue to support you. If that pride for racing for the name on the front of the jersey returns, and overtakes the pride of racing for the name on the back, then we will see less riders wanting to stay home.
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9/25/2016 6:36pm
Statement is more awesome than this. I agree.


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Absolutely nailed it!!!
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9/25/2016 6:50pm
Great post!
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Statement is more awesome than this. I agree. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/09/25/153483/s1200_image.jpg[/img]
Statement is more awesome than this. I agree.



Hey, I was the guy yellin USA louder than anyone at Budds desNations.
That being said, don't forget, that guy above, being able to say what he believed, no matter how unpopular,
is one of the greatest things about this country.

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You know there's a lot more involved than just National pride, Lots of politics and lots of meddling by Sponsors like Monster or RedBull etc.

While everyone is doing it for the "Love of the Sport" someone else is going to the bank on it.

People need to back off the riders a bit and just enjoy the ride.
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9/25/2016 6:55pm
I saw this post....loved it, well done the OP and Jeffro Smile
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Statement is more awesome than this. I agree. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/09/25/153483/s1200_image.jpg[/img]
Statement is more awesome than this. I agree.


Something tells me that's gonna hurt! Shocked
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kiwifan wrote:
I saw this post....loved it, well done the OP and Jeffro Smile
I'm in.
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9/25/2016 7:58pm
Great post, agreed. Particularly impressed with our riders this year. I think they had the spirit of the opening post.
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since when did a motorsports race, that no one outside of the sport itself has ever heard of, become the gauge of national pride?

I just dont understand how racing a dirtbike or competing in any other sport has anything to do anything other then enjoying the spirit of competition

If you were truly proud of your nation, you wouldnt need that nation to prove itself to other nations. why would you? Hiw can you be more proud than proud?
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9/25/2016 8:35pm
Katoomey wrote:
since when did a motorsports race, that no one outside of the sport itself has ever heard of, become the gauge of national pride? I just...
since when did a motorsports race, that no one outside of the sport itself has ever heard of, become the gauge of national pride?

I just dont understand how racing a dirtbike or competing in any other sport has anything to do anything other then enjoying the spirit of competition

If you were truly proud of your nation, you wouldnt need that nation to prove itself to other nations. why would you? Hiw can you be more proud than proud?
Umm?....i would have too question : Do you think the Olympics are meaningless? It's a country vs country sporting event. Our Olympics. It's a chance for every country on planet earth can compete in.
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9/25/2016 8:39pm Edited Date/Time 9/25/2016 8:42pm
Katoomey wrote:
since when did a motorsports race, that no one outside of the sport itself has ever heard of, become the gauge of national pride? I just...
since when did a motorsports race, that no one outside of the sport itself has ever heard of, become the gauge of national pride?

I just dont understand how racing a dirtbike or competing in any other sport has anything to do anything other then enjoying the spirit of competition

If you were truly proud of your nation, you wouldnt need that nation to prove itself to other nations. why would you? Hiw can you be more proud than proud?
Because it's all in good faith; every rider knows the world has more important issues to deal with, but for them, representing THEIR country -- a country that gave them the opportunities that they have -- takes on a lot of value. It's something they as well as their fans should be proud of. Even in the midst of World Wars, countries were proud of their athletes.
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9/25/2016 8:52pm
jeffro503 wrote:
Umm?....i would have too question : Do you think the Olympics are meaningless? It's a country vs country sporting event. Our Olympics. It's a chance for...
Umm?....i would have too question : Do you think the Olympics are meaningless? It's a country vs country sporting event. Our Olympics. It's a chance for every country on planet earth can compete in.
iternational competition is great. I just don't think it should influence a nation's pride in itself. thats all.

should i be more proud if we win...and less proud if we lose?

you can equte sports to whatever you want, but the only test of a nation is how the people within it treat eachother, not whether they compete in sports or how well they do in said sports.

so, i don't think MXoN or the Olympics are meaningless, I just think they are meaningless in reference to national pride.
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Katoomey wrote:
since when did a motorsports race, that no one outside of the sport itself has ever heard of, become the gauge of national pride? I just...
since when did a motorsports race, that no one outside of the sport itself has ever heard of, become the gauge of national pride?

I just dont understand how racing a dirtbike or competing in any other sport has anything to do anything other then enjoying the spirit of competition

If you were truly proud of your nation, you wouldnt need that nation to prove itself to other nations. why would you? Hiw can you be more proud than proud?
jeffro503 wrote:
Umm?....i would have too question : Do you think the Olympics are meaningless? It's a country vs country sporting event. Our Olympics. It's a chance for...
Umm?....i would have too question : Do you think the Olympics are meaningless? It's a country vs country sporting event. Our Olympics. It's a chance for every country on planet earth can compete in.
But really when you think about it, most of the Olympic accolades are individual, or at most team based per individual sport. The overall medal count is really an afterthought any more.
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9/25/2016 9:28pm
jeffro503 wrote:
Umm?....i would have too question : Do you think the Olympics are meaningless? It's a country vs country sporting event. Our Olympics. It's a chance for...
Umm?....i would have too question : Do you think the Olympics are meaningless? It's a country vs country sporting event. Our Olympics. It's a chance for every country on planet earth can compete in.
Katoomey wrote:
iternational competition is great. I just don't think it should influence a nation's pride in itself. thats all. should i be more proud if we win...and...
iternational competition is great. I just don't think it should influence a nation's pride in itself. thats all.

should i be more proud if we win...and less proud if we lose?

you can equte sports to whatever you want, but the only test of a nation is how the people within it treat eachother, not whether they compete in sports or how well they do in said sports.

so, i don't think MXoN or the Olympics are meaningless, I just think they are meaningless in reference to national pride.
Well i see the point you're trying to make....but it's human nature to root for your fellow country men. It's been this way since....forever? I don't know how else to explain it.
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I agree it would be nice if more of the American racers would show interest into this race, but I don't agree with the comparison. He signed up for a job knowing he would deploy to a foreign country, the riders sign to ride stateside or where ever they chose. When you deploy you make quite a bit more money. It's my understanding that the riders don't make a whole lot of money at this race. I feel a lot of these riders do show a lot of American pride, especially with military supercross appreciation they do each year.

I wouldn't deploy to Iraq or Afghanistan for free, so I wouldn't expect them to race for free in foreign country. Again, I am not sure if/how much they get paid for this race. They don't get much of an off season break though.

I do wish the top guys would do this race, but I also understand why they don't want to. Making a comparison with atheletes and Service Members is incorrect in my opinion. Before I get flamed, I would like to state that I am active duty Army with 12 1/2 years in so far.

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9/25/2016 9:31pm
Katoomey wrote:
since when did a motorsports race, that no one outside of the sport itself has ever heard of, become the gauge of national pride? I just...
since when did a motorsports race, that no one outside of the sport itself has ever heard of, become the gauge of national pride?

I just dont understand how racing a dirtbike or competing in any other sport has anything to do anything other then enjoying the spirit of competition

If you were truly proud of your nation, you wouldnt need that nation to prove itself to other nations. why would you? Hiw can you be more proud than proud?
When you compete in an international sporting event, you are representing your country, whether you like it or not. A great number of people who don't have the opportunity or ability to be there are following, supporting and hoping for you.

This isn't about winning or losing, it's about selflessly representing your country and setting aside money, politics and other considerations.

It's also a reminder that, while professional sports people do sacrifice a lot, there are many more people in the world who work harder and sacrifice more, not for the glory and reward of sporting success but for more mundane and probably more noble reasons like defending the quality of life of others, providing essential services or even something as basic as putting food on the table.
9/25/2016 9:36pm
jeffro503 wrote:
Umm?....i would have too question : Do you think the Olympics are meaningless? It's a country vs country sporting event. Our Olympics. It's a chance for...
Umm?....i would have too question : Do you think the Olympics are meaningless? It's a country vs country sporting event. Our Olympics. It's a chance for every country on planet earth can compete in.
Katoomey wrote:
iternational competition is great. I just don't think it should influence a nation's pride in itself. thats all. should i be more proud if we win...and...
iternational competition is great. I just don't think it should influence a nation's pride in itself. thats all.

should i be more proud if we win...and less proud if we lose?

you can equte sports to whatever you want, but the only test of a nation is how the people within it treat eachother, not whether they compete in sports or how well they do in said sports.

so, i don't think MXoN or the Olympics are meaningless, I just think they are meaningless in reference to national pride.
I didn't take it as "pride in your nation," but instead took it as "pride in representing your nation" in said competition, whether it be motocross, disc throwing, or whatever.
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Statement is more awesome than this. I agree. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/09/25/153483/s1200_image.jpg[/img]
Statement is more awesome than this. I agree.


Is that Matthes
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Electro21 wrote:
I agree it would be nice if more of the American racers would show interest into this race, but I don't agree with the comparison. He...
I agree it would be nice if more of the American racers would show interest into this race, but I don't agree with the comparison. He signed up for a job knowing he would deploy to a foreign country, the riders sign to ride stateside or where ever they chose. When you deploy you make quite a bit more money. It's my understanding that the riders don't make a whole lot of money at this race. I feel a lot of these riders do show a lot of American pride, especially with military supercross appreciation they do each year.

I wouldn't deploy to Iraq or Afghanistan for free, so I wouldn't expect them to race for free in foreign country. Again, I am not sure if/how much they get paid for this race. They don't get much of an off season break though.

I do wish the top guys would do this race, but I also understand why they don't want to. Making a comparison with atheletes and Service Members is incorrect in my opinion. Before I get flamed, I would like to state that I am active duty Army with 12 1/2 years in so far.

When we deploy we receive eminent danger pay.... Which is an extra 225 dollars a month for getting shot at, blown up, and rocketed every day... Not a considerable amount more like you stated. I'm sure you would know that if you had deployed in the last 12 years.
9/26/2016 12:11am
Those guys sacked up and took the challenge on, gave it their all and made their nation proud,they sure did get the bad luck this year alright.

I hope they get the nod for next year as they absolutely deserve it,as I'm sure others will be falling over themselves to do it and too tired or burnt out won't come into play
9/26/2016 1:47am
that what alsome jeffro!
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Easy guys....with all do respect to our pro racers who made the choice....you do your best with what your dealt....glad your coming home not hurt and able to continue on with your coming season....As far as the American military, the sacrifices..the blood...the lives lost....Ooh Rah...and God speed ....We as Americans are greatful for your commitment.....let not get Mx&Sx tangled in the life of the deployed ....apples and oranges....racers can go home at night wrap their arms around their loved ones,....Our men will be looking the likes of a foreign enemy in the eye ...worried about a child walking up wrapped up with explosives...a dead dog laying on the side of the road packed full of ordanace waiting to take u out...people with 20$flip phones next to their ears staring at you as u lead your men thru the streets of 3rd world country,wondering if the next street corner is gonna be the end of you and your buddies........or if a sniper is gonna blow a hole in your head as you round a corner...........my respect to everybody....but really apples..and oranges....but both about pride for this great nation.......theirs always next year
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Statement is more awesome than this. I agree. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/09/25/153483/s1200_image.jpg[/img]
Statement is more awesome than this. I agree.


billyslap wrote:
Is that Matthes

It is getting very hard not to get political in this one.

I believe that is Steve Bruhn, better known as TFS, The Factory Spectator.
It's been quite awhile, but I remember him hauling a 400 Enduro to the races for awhile.
He pulled it out and jumped I think Laroccos Leap one time.
GuyB would know, he was around then.

Thing is, if this is him, I took it as an argument against his beliefs, which many, myself included, strongly disagreed with.
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Statement is more awesome than this. I agree. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/09/25/153483/s1200_image.jpg[/img]
Statement is more awesome than this. I agree.


This picture brings tears to my eyes. He was such a great man .... Sad
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Statement is more awesome than this. I agree. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/09/25/153483/s1200_image.jpg[/img]
Statement is more awesome than this. I agree.


billyslap wrote:
Is that Matthes
motogrady wrote:
It is getting very hard not to get political in this one. I believe that is Steve Bruhn, better known as TFS, The Factory Spectator. It's...

It is getting very hard not to get political in this one.

I believe that is Steve Bruhn, better known as TFS, The Factory Spectator.
It's been quite awhile, but I remember him hauling a 400 Enduro to the races for awhile.
He pulled it out and jumped I think Laroccos Leap one time.
GuyB would know, he was around then.

Thing is, if this is him, I took it as an argument against his beliefs, which many, myself included, strongly disagreed with.
Oh my, it's Bruhn but he didn't jump the Leap on it!
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ando wrote:
When you compete in an international sporting event, you are representing your country, whether you like it or not. A great number of people who don't...
When you compete in an international sporting event, you are representing your country, whether you like it or not. A great number of people who don't have the opportunity or ability to be there are following, supporting and hoping for you.

This isn't about winning or losing, it's about selflessly representing your country and setting aside money, politics and other considerations.

It's also a reminder that, while professional sports people do sacrifice a lot, there are many more people in the world who work harder and sacrifice more, not for the glory and reward of sporting success but for more mundane and probably more noble reasons like defending the quality of life of others, providing essential services or even something as basic as putting food on the table.
One of the more intelligent posts I've seen in a long time.
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Statement is more awesome than this. I agree. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/09/25/153483/s1200_image.jpg[/img]
Statement is more awesome than this. I agree.


billyslap wrote:
Is that Matthes
motogrady wrote:
It is getting very hard not to get political in this one. I believe that is Steve Bruhn, better known as TFS, The Factory Spectator. It's...

It is getting very hard not to get political in this one.

I believe that is Steve Bruhn, better known as TFS, The Factory Spectator.
It's been quite awhile, but I remember him hauling a 400 Enduro to the races for awhile.
He pulled it out and jumped I think Laroccos Leap one time.
GuyB would know, he was around then.

Thing is, if this is him, I took it as an argument against his beliefs, which many, myself included, strongly disagreed with.
Yes that is Teef doing a fantastic seat-bounce with the assistance of Yamaboy.

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500guy wrote:
You know there's a lot more involved than just National pride, Lots of politics and lots of meddling by Sponsors like Monster or RedBull etc. While...
You know there's a lot more involved than just National pride, Lots of politics and lots of meddling by Sponsors like Monster or RedBull etc.

While everyone is doing it for the "Love of the Sport" someone else is going to the bank on it.

People need to back off the riders a bit and just enjoy the ride.
^^^^^
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9/26/2016 8:39am Edited Date/Time 9/26/2016 8:44am
billyslap wrote:
Is that Matthes
motogrady wrote:
It is getting very hard not to get political in this one. I believe that is Steve Bruhn, better known as TFS, The Factory Spectator. It's...

It is getting very hard not to get political in this one.

I believe that is Steve Bruhn, better known as TFS, The Factory Spectator.
It's been quite awhile, but I remember him hauling a 400 Enduro to the races for awhile.
He pulled it out and jumped I think Laroccos Leap one time.
GuyB would know, he was around then.

Thing is, if this is him, I took it as an argument against his beliefs, which many, myself included, strongly disagreed with.
JAFO92 wrote:
Yes that is Teef doing a fantastic seat-bounce with the assistance of Yamaboy.

He landed it smother than the rock himself too.

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