What do you think of a 22-race Supercross season?

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8/15/2016 10:50am
GuyB wrote:
We hear that's an idea being floated around, and that Monster is the driving force behind it. Our first thoughts... What would that do to the...
We hear that's an idea being floated around, and that Monster is the driving force behind it.

Our first thoughts...

What would that do to the outdoor season?

How many races are too many?
22 races equals 22 weeks of racing? or could that be like Arenacross with Friday and Saturday event?

What does DC think of this?
8/15/2016 10:52am
Luongo would love a 22 race sx season. He'd soon be exclusive owner of the only outdoor race series
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I'm gonna be in the minority here, but I would love it. My opinion comes from strictly a selfish view, though. I'm a fan. Nothing more...
I'm gonna be in the minority here, but I would love it. My opinion comes from strictly a selfish view, though. I'm a fan. Nothing more, nothing less. From that standpoint, the more races the better. If I was involved as a racer, mechanic, team member, etc. I would hate it, though.
slipdog wrote:
I think you're missing the point, they're trying to kill off motocross...


Would that be the RED BULL AMA Outdoor series???

What a bunch of fucking retards.
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I think 22 races is too many. If anything, SX should be shortened down to 12-14 races. Even as a lifelong, diehard fan it just gets so damn repetitive after a while. You can only do so much with a flat stadium floor. The diversity of the tracks and terrain is a lot of what makes the Nationals the better of the two series, IMO.

If it was my decision, 12 SX races and shorten the series by a month. Leave outdoors the same and stretch it out another 2-3 weeks.

The absolute last thing we need is more SX races.

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8/15/2016 11:04am
I think Change is good but this is what I would do


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Win one and you're in the chase. The elites win a race. And then go on vacation until round 18-22 the chase rounds. The rest of...
Win one and you're in the chase. The elites win a race. And then go on vacation until round 18-22 the chase rounds. The rest of guys,...have fun killing yourselves!

If they go 22 races the riders need to get there heads out of their butts and form a union. Atleast then they can have a seat at the table when making decisions that can potentially leave them in a chair for the rest of there life.
So you're assuming the 450's would go all 22 rounds? Who's to say they don't bring back a 125 series for 5 of the rounds and let the 250's be the main events that night. How sweet would that be?
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Worst idea ever!
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Win one and you're in the chase. The elites win a race. And then go on vacation until round 18-22 the chase rounds. The rest of...
Win one and you're in the chase. The elites win a race. And then go on vacation until round 18-22 the chase rounds. The rest of guys,...have fun killing yourselves!

If they go 22 races the riders need to get there heads out of their butts and form a union. Atleast then they can have a seat at the table when making decisions that can potentially leave them in a chair for the rest of there life.
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So you're assuming the 450's would go all 22 rounds? Who's to say they don't bring back a 125 series for 5 of the rounds and...
So you're assuming the 450's would go all 22 rounds? Who's to say they don't bring back a 125 series for 5 of the rounds and let the 250's be the main events that night. How sweet would that be?
You don't like nationals do you?
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8/15/2016 11:21am
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You don't like nationals do you?
Love the outdoors, but in terms of attracting new people/sponsors to the sport, supercross is the way to do it.

Since our opinions differ here, I'll ask you a question: What could we do to grow our sport at the professional level?
8/15/2016 11:25am
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Love the outdoors, but in terms of attracting new people/sponsors to the sport, supercross is the way to do it. Since our opinions differ here, I'll...
Love the outdoors, but in terms of attracting new people/sponsors to the sport, supercross is the way to do it.

Since our opinions differ here, I'll ask you a question: What could we do to grow our sport at the professional level?
I agree that in terms of growth supercross is the way to do it. Attract more people, get them riding, grow the sport. Id rather see pro mx be a circus to help out the local scene if that is necessary.
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Racing was good when cigarette and beer sponsors were involved. Joe Camel was the man.

I think 22 rounds is great and they should race with electric bikes only. I hear that this is the future and will grow the sport.

Real motocycles can race outdoors.
8/15/2016 11:27am
Good for the future of the sport. As a fan I would certainly enjoy more races!

From the riders and teams side, that would be tough!
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8/15/2016 11:31am
without a doubt, trim SX

the future lies in those super races where the best of the world compete against each other

riders cup, mxdn, usgp's

that is where the real action is
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The problem with outdoors for fringe fans, like my wife for example, is that watching it takes up 2+hours of actual Moto time during the middle of a Saturday afternoon. She's just not willing to invest that time. In SX she can invest 45 min during a Saturday night when we're already winding down from the day with a cold one.
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8/15/2016 11:32am
Premix wrote:
Love the outdoors, but in terms of attracting new people/sponsors to the sport, supercross is the way to do it. Since our opinions differ here, I'll...
Love the outdoors, but in terms of attracting new people/sponsors to the sport, supercross is the way to do it.

Since our opinions differ here, I'll ask you a question: What could we do to grow our sport at the professional level?
I think that if the SX schedule included rounds in countries like Australia, France, UK, Netherlands, Germany that would make grow the sport big time and the riders would be global superstars.
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8/15/2016 11:37am
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The problem with outdoors for fringe fans, like my wife for example, is that watching it takes up 2+hours of actual Moto time during the middle...
The problem with outdoors for fringe fans, like my wife for example, is that watching it takes up 2+hours of actual Moto time during the middle of a Saturday afternoon. She's just not willing to invest that time. In SX she can invest 45 min during a Saturday night when we're already winding down from the day with a cold one.
I've had the same experience. Outside of my family, I don't know another person in my circle of friends that watches motorcycle racing. Of my friends that I've tried to get to watch racing, supercross is the only one that remotely caught their attention (and even then, they weren't too interested). Outdoors just doesn't come across that great on TV, imo.
8/15/2016 11:47am
I would like a longer supercross season and less outdoors. As long as the people racing and working for the teams still have time off for...
I would like a longer supercross season and less outdoors. As long as the people racing and working for the teams still have time off for family and relaxing. I would be down.
Kx125rider wrote:
Why? I'd watch outdoors over sx any day of the week
Most of them are inside in a controlled environment. Also you can typically see the whole track not just portions.
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8/15/2016 11:48am
If this happens....I'm moving to GBR and picking up an accent! Go Anstie!!
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8/15/2016 11:52am
I would rather it went back to never being on TV and nobody cared other than those that did it.

This 'appealing to the casual fan' , at the expense of the purity of the sport and all those in it is just BS.

8/15/2016 11:53am
I would like a longer supercross season and less outdoors. As long as the people racing and working for the teams still have time off for...
I would like a longer supercross season and less outdoors. As long as the people racing and working for the teams still have time off for family and relaxing. I would be down.
Kx125rider wrote:
Why? I'd watch outdoors over sx any day of the week
agn5009 wrote:
Because some people enjoy sx more than mx. Not me, but some people obviously do. I would be willing to bet the racers enjoy the money...
Because some people enjoy sx more than mx. Not me, but some people obviously do.

I would be willing to bet the racers enjoy the money involved with sx more than mx.

I think 22 rounds is ludicrous though. The only thing this is going to do is kill off the mx series. Which in return will make some guys switch over to the GP's. Honestly, I don't know why some guys don't do that already.

We have to remember though, that vital is a fairly small community here. Most people who watch sx or mx do on a fairly limited basis and certainly don't dig into the positives or negatives like the guys and gals on this forum. So for most they don't ever even consider this as being bad.
I watch and attend both series. I like outdoors better bc it tends to have better racing, but the only part I like. Sx is typically indoors. You can see the whole track and see who is passing and making moves much better. Plus with it being indoors you have a controlled climate. Nobody is getting overheated and unable to enjoy the race. The weather only causes issues for like places with that's not completely indoors. I guess maybe I'm a wimp, but I don't enjoy being covered in inches of mood or smelling gross when I leave.
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8/15/2016 11:56am
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I would rather it went back to never being on TV and nobody cared other than those that did it. This 'appealing to the casual fan'...
I would rather it went back to never being on TV and nobody cared other than those that did it.

This 'appealing to the casual fan' , at the expense of the purity of the sport and all those in it is just BS.

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8/15/2016 11:56am Edited Date/Time 8/15/2016 12:01pm
vlh wrote:
I think Change is good but this is what I would do


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+1

22 SX races, that would be a joke with absolutely no interest for 10 rounds.

MX/SX is not a circus.

If they want to make a very exciting series, they should try to negotiate:
AMA Dilla
MXGP Indy
MXGP GH
MEC
1 or 3 SX in Europe
1 or 2 SX in Australia

The thing: if SX, the MEC track is the max to bring in the Euros, at least at the beginning.
8/15/2016 11:57am
Those bastards already degrade mx with their entertainment version of the sport.

And now they basically want to take over - while blaming it on Monster.

Eat a dick everyone involved with the sx show. You are greedy - they give you an inch and you take a mile.
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8/15/2016 11:57am Edited Date/Time 8/15/2016 11:59am
This happens and the Nationals are dead within 5 years. I used to think Osterman was crazy when he said "live TV will kill the sport, but lo-and-behold, I now see exactly what he meant.



If Davey wants to save outdoors, he needs to shift it right (later) by 3 months. He could retaliate on SX (Feld) by making the "off season" between the last SX in May, and before the first national on say mid Sept. Right now, they run January thru Sept, with a 2 week break in May between series then 3 months off from Oct/Nov/Dec (save for a few offseason races like MEC)

If Davey shifted outdoors first round to Labor Day weekend, and ran it to early Dec with a 3 week break before Anaheim 1, he would steal Feld's thunder. The first national would become the first race after a lengthy 3 month offseason, (june/july/aug) plus it would align with the fiscal year, which means new bikes for the first national in mid Sept. Rearrange the schedule to make it more privateer-friendly, obviously run your northern rounds in Sept, then roll south east in oct/nov, you could put texas back on the schedule, and culminate in socal first week of dec, where its still seasonable.

Totally doable. Never happen.
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Tell Monster to go fly a kite.

That's what I think. A split season of SX and MX is perfect in my book.
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jeffro503 wrote:
If this happens....I'm moving to GBR and picking up an accent! Go Anstie!!
yep Jeffro between this and who's going to be in the big house (sorry, white house).............yeah it might just be time to trade passports!!! Tongue Tongue
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This is very interesting scenario.

So far I think Feld/SX has had a fairly harmonious relationship with the AMA and in turn MX Sports in order to keep the status quo of two separate racing series operating independently within the same sport. With the growing popularity of one-off races(Monster Cup) and the increasing influence of a global company (Monster) having a huge stake in the sport of dirt bike racing, things are starting to change.. I personally don't think this is a positive direction for the sport.

I'm all for change, and I think the Chase and restructuring is in order. But a longer season is not the way to go as it would basically split the sport and cause teams to choose a seris
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8/15/2016 12:02pm
Steely Dan wrote:
This happens and the Nationals are dead within 5 years. I used to think Osterman was crazy when he said "live TV will kill the sport...
This happens and the Nationals are dead within 5 years. I used to think Osterman was crazy when he said "live TV will kill the sport, but lo-and-behold, I now see exactly what he meant.



If Davey wants to save outdoors, he needs to shift it right (later) by 3 months. He could retaliate on SX (Feld) by making the "off season" between the last SX in May, and before the first national on say mid Sept. Right now, they run January thru Sept, with a 2 week break in May between series then 3 months off from Oct/Nov/Dec (save for a few offseason races like MEC)

If Davey shifted outdoors first round to Labor Day weekend, and ran it to early Dec with a 3 week break before Anaheim 1, he would steal Feld's thunder. The first national would become the first race after a lengthy 3 month offseason, (june/july/aug) plus it would align with the fiscal year, which means new bikes for the first national in mid Sept. Rearrange the schedule to make it more privateer-friendly, obviously run your northern rounds in Sept, then roll south east in oct/nov, you could put texas back on the schedule, and culminate in socal first week of dec, where its still seasonable.

Totally doable. Never happen.
Good points. I wouldn't label it retaliation though. Outdoor motocross no matter where it is plays second fiddle to Supercross. Like it or not, that has to be respected.
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8/15/2016 12:06pm
I may have skipped a page or 2 but has anybody thought about the effect this will have on production bikes? I mean as they are now, they're leaned more towards SX while 99.99999% of consumers will never ride an SX Track let alone but one for that reason. Your average racer is buying new bikes with the purpose of racing them on a motocross track. If super cross took over I think bikes would become WAY less stable, quick turning, with a bottom to mid and flat on top powerband while wrapped in an overly stiff chassis and suspension, far more to the extreme than what is currently available to the public. IMO they won't be any good at the tracks the consumer rides them on unless heavily modified for it.
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8/15/2016 12:09pm Edited Date/Time 8/15/2016 12:09pm
only if they pay the health insurance of the riders who sign up and increase payouts.

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