First Look: 2017 Kawasaki KX250F and KX450F

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731chopper 5/19/2016 2:28pm
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The Kawi weight is curb weight which means a full tank of gas. That's about 10 pounds of fuel. KTM lists their bikes without fuel so to compare apples to apples you either have to takeout the fuel weight on the Kawi or add it to the KTM. So the new KTM and new Kawi 250 thumper are about the same weight.
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mmcmx 5/19/2016 2:28pm
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Looks like after 10 years of green on my stable, i'll move to reder pastures.
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PEPE001 5/19/2016 3:18pm
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Tbteam wrote:
KTM is over 13 pounds lighter stock. That is a BUNCH of weight.
ML512 wrote:
The KTM weight is without fuel, I believe the Kawi is listed with fuel.
Based on the Kawasaki Info it is with fuel!

**Curb weight includes all necessary materials and fluids to operate correctly, full tank of fuel (more than 90 percent capacity)
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endurox 5/19/2016 3:52pm
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All the bikes is a shootout should be fueled up with the same amount of fuel. Lets say 1 gallon or 1.5. Looking forward to a bike test with real world weights including the same tires on all the bikes. That can make a 3 pound difference.

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colintrax 5/19/2016 4:05pm
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endurox wrote:
All the bikes is a shootout should be fueled up with the same amount of fuel. Lets say 1 gallon or 1.5. Looking forward to a...
All the bikes is a shootout should be fueled up with the same amount of fuel. Lets say 1 gallon or 1.5. Looking forward to a bike test with real world weights including the same tires on all the bikes. That can make a 3 pound difference.
Why? Dry weight takes gas out of the equation. They could put the same amount of gas in every bike (1 gallon) but there's some tolerance in measuring that gallon. And the weight of fuel changes with temp and pressure (think volume)
There's no reason to not state dry weights.
scott_nz 5/19/2016 4:12pm
5/19/2016 4:12pm
biggest change to the motor in a long time, wonder if the more downdraft/straight intake design and new crank will help it back up to where the yami/KTM is motorwise,

the 450 was a improvement with the chassis and feel of the bike, and it should be the same ,
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tempura 5/19/2016 4:40pm
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The 450 hasn't changed much, so Kawie are confident they got it right in 16, with their full model change. Ive been thinking about the new Kawie 250f this year, but am a little hesitant being the first year of a full model change. Might hold out until next year.
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kiwifan 5/19/2016 5:47pm
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Tpog496 wrote:
Hurry up Honda!
Hondas might be late due to earthquake damage in their factory...mind you shouldnt stop them posting picture of what they will be like :-) (which is actually what I think you mean)
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Crush 5/19/2016 5:56pm
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Damn those shrouds are ugly as shit.
motoarmageddon 5/19/2016 6:24pm
5/19/2016 6:24pm
Those shrouds look sick. sounds like the 250 is going the be THE bike next year, and the only changed 250.
backinthesaddleagain 5/19/2016 6:40pm
5/19/2016 6:40pm
Motofinne wrote:
Oh... The shroud plastics on the new 250 looks horrible! The 450 looks way better.

That is ofc my own subjective opinion.
kkawboy14 wrote:
It will be covered by graphics nobody will even see it! Now: make a silencer that people will leave on it. The designer of the current...
It will be covered by graphics nobody will even see it!

Now: make a silencer that people will leave on it.
The designer of the current one reminds me of the song LUMP "she lingered last in line for brains and the one she got was a little rotten and insane"

Wouldn't this be an awesome marketing tool: you will save $900 when you purchase our bikes, because you won't have to buy a pipe!
The street bikes have ugly mufflers too. My 636 can is big and ugly and big
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KC435 5/19/2016 7:21pm
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The 250 is a good looking bike, shrouds and all, like the 450. The best looking front fender of all the mfg's, too, in my opionion. There must be some exec at KHI dating back to 1986 that wrote: "The green fender will never look like 1985 fender ever again. It will always have a natural curve! "
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Ted722 5/19/2016 7:41pm
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KC435 wrote:
The 250 is a good looking bike, shrouds and all, like the 450. The best looking front fender of all the mfg's, too, in my opionion...
The 250 is a good looking bike, shrouds and all, like the 450. The best looking front fender of all the mfg's, too, in my opionion. There must be some exec at KHI dating back to 1986 that wrote: "The green fender will never look like 1985 fender ever again. It will always have a natural curve! "
Ha!




Then, in late 88/89 he said "No more backbone frames. Copy ZX7R":




queen of spodes 5/19/2016 8:01pm
5/19/2016 8:01pm
Those shrouds & side plates are ugly as sin (on both bikes).

Second whoever called for seeing green & blue again. I'd love to see silver rims too..
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KC435 5/19/2016 8:02pm
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KC435 wrote:
The 250 is a good looking bike, shrouds and all, like the 450. The best looking front fender of all the mfg's, too, in my opionion...
The 250 is a good looking bike, shrouds and all, like the 450. The best looking front fender of all the mfg's, too, in my opionion. There must be some exec at KHI dating back to 1986 that wrote: "The green fender will never look like 1985 fender ever again. It will always have a natural curve! "
Ted722 wrote:
Ha! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/05/19/135884/s1200_kaw_ff_1984kx125.jpg[/img] Then, in late 88/89 he said "No more backbone frames. Copy ZX7R": [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/05/19/135885/s1200_perimeter_frame.jpg[/img]
Ha!




Then, in late 88/89 he said "No more backbone frames. Copy ZX7R":




Yep and in 1981 his older brother said: "We will have a front disc brake next year along with water cooling. Eat that Honda!"
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TeamGreen 5/19/2016 8:03pm
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Shrouds and Fenders.

Amazing.

That's what'cha all came up with?

Damn.
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bobojim 5/19/2016 8:29pm
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731chopper wrote:
Curb weight of 229 pounds is impressive considering a gallon of gas weighs 6 pounds. A full tank of gas in that bike is about 10...
Curb weight of 229 pounds is impressive considering a gallon of gas weighs 6 pounds. A full tank of gas in that bike is about 10 pounds.
brewrabb wrote:
Was wondering how they got that number.
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KC435 5/19/2016 8:32pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
Shrouds and Fenders.

Amazing.

That's what'cha all came up with?

Damn.
What are we going to talk about? It's not like they have a steel frame and electric start to make the bike go faster.

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ledger 5/19/2016 10:27pm
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Someday, all jap brands will go back to steel frames and have voice activated start. Also, on the fly push button suspension.
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IceMan446 5/19/2016 10:49pm
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motoarmageddon wrote:
Those shrouds look sick. sounds like the 250 is going the be THE bike next year, and the only changed 250.
Gotta climb that big blue mountain first.
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JackLHyde 5/19/2016 11:15pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
Shrouds and Fenders.

Amazing.

That's what'cha all came up with?

Damn.
Exactly my thoughts.

I'm more curious on if the bike handles better. My brothers current model has a twitchy front end, yet understeers in corners. The engine vibrates like crazy, the shifting is hideous. Don't get me started on the stock muffler. I don't care much about looks, but the noise is deafening. On top of that the plastics break very easily. Worst thing is their chainguard.

I'm most psyched that they kept the SFF forks. If the other changes translate to what I think they should, this could be the very first KXF I like.
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Jrewing 5/19/2016 11:18pm
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Tbteam wrote:
KTM is over 13 pounds lighter stock. That is a BUNCH of weight.
Tracktor wrote:
Plus they cost about $4k more so your wallet will be lighter also, har..........
Haha
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bvm111 5/19/2016 11:25pm
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Now I can start looking for the best deal on a 2016 450!

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