Aldon Baker Exclusive to KTM Group

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Basically KTM/Husky team riders will be able to train with Aldon on the teams dime...If they choose to go another route then it's on their dime...
5/12/2016 11:38am
yak651 wrote:
Says it includes Husky
...Husqvarna will not be denied...
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5/12/2016 11:40am
So potentially how many riders could be under Aldon's watch with this deal. is this exclusive to Us team/teams or EU as well?
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i wouldn't bet on cp377 to join aldon. deano may be tempted to show ktm that he is willing to do anything to make them happy but not sure if he wants to move down to florida. zacho didn't survive john tomac's training and I don't expect him to do much different if he would join baker.

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5/12/2016 12:10pm Edited Date/Time 5/12/2016 12:11pm
DonM wrote:
Basically KTM/Husky team riders will be able to train with Aldon on the teams dime...If they choose to go another route then it's on their dime...
Are you stating a known fact or an assumption?

I seriously doubt KTM would go through the trouble of hiring a team trainer and then make it "optional" to their riders. This is about them taking steps to control the quality and consistency of their riders in order to maximize their return on investment. That doesn't happen if you make it optional.
5/12/2016 12:18pm
Aldon Baker, getting paid stacks of cash for turning champions into champions since 2001.
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peelout wrote:
so now Pourcel will have Aldon in his corner?

watch out world you're about to be proper f*cked
He's gonna kill him in a month, lol...
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5/12/2016 12:21pm Edited Date/Time 5/12/2016 12:23pm
KTM and Husqvarna is taking over, get used to it.

The most interesting short term speculation has to be what CP377 would be able to do under Aldon. Same could be said about Wilson. Those two riders are potential race winners if they can get it right.
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5/12/2016 12:26pm Edited Date/Time 5/12/2016 12:28pm
51xc wrote:
i wouldn't bet on cp377 to join aldon. deano may be tempted to show ktm that he is willing to do anything to make them happy...
i wouldn't bet on cp377 to join aldon. deano may be tempted to show ktm that he is willing to do anything to make them happy but not sure if he wants to move down to florida. zacho didn't survive john tomac's training and I don't expect him to do much different if he would join baker.
Is that what happened to the zacko/tomac thing? It seemed like it was really working for him at firstDizzy

I would expect KTM to only force high dollar riders to use Aldon... he can only train so many riders anyway.
5/12/2016 12:27pm
DonM wrote:
Basically KTM/Husky team riders will be able to train with Aldon on the teams dime...If they choose to go another route then it's on their dime...
FGR01 wrote:
Are you stating a known fact or an assumption? I seriously doubt KTM would go through the trouble of hiring a team trainer and then make...
Are you stating a known fact or an assumption?

I seriously doubt KTM would go through the trouble of hiring a team trainer and then make it "optional" to their riders. This is about them taking steps to control the quality and consistency of their riders in order to maximize their return on investment. That doesn't happen if you make it optional.
I think it would be pretty difficult for Aldon to do his job effectively if everyone who rides for a KTM or Husqvarna team is at his facility. I don't really think they will force everyone to be on his program, I think this move was more so done so that the theoretical advantage that Aldon brings stay within KTM.
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UpTiTe wrote:
Aldon Baker, getting paid stacks of cash for turning champions into champions since 2001.
The only thing I have against it is it's not me getting the stacks of cash.
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UpTiTe wrote:
Aldon Baker, getting paid stacks of cash for turning champions into champions since 2001.
While I certainly think there is some truth to this, a lot of guys find the last 2% to be legend under this guy. You can certainly point to Townley, Weimer, and Rattray as proof of your statement. But its pretty hard not to see that RC, JS7(his one perfect season was with AB, and a head case since), Villo, Andseron, and now Dunge have found that last few pieces to the puzzle. Whether the juice was worth the squeeze would be a separate argument. Just one man's opinion of course.
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I think it would be pretty difficult for Aldon to do his job effectively if everyone who rides for a KTM or Husqvarna team is at...
I think it would be pretty difficult for Aldon to do his job effectively if everyone who rides for a KTM or Husqvarna team is at his facility. I don't really think they will force everyone to be on his program, I think this move was more so done so that the theoretical advantage that Aldon brings stay within KTM.
From the press release:

"The factory riders of the KTM GROUP and riders in our Junior program in the future will exclusively use the possibilities that Aldon Baker offers with his first class ranch and training center in Florida."

Doesn't sound like they will allow riders to opt out and use a different trainer.
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Good for Baker (gets a ton of money) and good for KTM/Husky riders (if it works for them, Bakers way doesnt work for some)...bad for anyone else wanting his services.
5/12/2016 12:44pm
FGR01 wrote:
From the press release: [b]"The factory riders of the KTM GROUP and riders in our Junior program in the future will exclusively use the possibilities that...
From the press release:

"The factory riders of the KTM GROUP and riders in our Junior program in the future will exclusively use the possibilities that Aldon Baker offers with his first class ranch and training center in Florida."

Doesn't sound like they will allow riders to opt out and use a different trainer.
Okay well nowhere does that prove either of us right or wrong, just tells me what I already knew in that he will only be training KTM riders.

I personally have no idea whether they will force it on them or not but if they do I cannot see it turning out well, different things work for different people.
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51xc wrote:
i wouldn't bet on cp377 to join aldon. deano may be tempted to show ktm that he is willing to do anything to make them happy...
i wouldn't bet on cp377 to join aldon. deano may be tempted to show ktm that he is willing to do anything to make them happy but not sure if he wants to move down to florida. zacho didn't survive john tomac's training and I don't expect him to do much different if he would join baker.
Dean already has a house in FL and does train in FL...If the rumors are true Deano will be back at KTM and more than likely end up at Aldon's
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5/12/2016 12:48pm
DonM wrote:
Basically KTM/Husky team riders will be able to train with Aldon on the teams dime...If they choose to go another route then it's on their dime...
FGR01 wrote:
Are you stating a known fact or an assumption? I seriously doubt KTM would go through the trouble of hiring a team trainer and then make...
Are you stating a known fact or an assumption?

I seriously doubt KTM would go through the trouble of hiring a team trainer and then make it "optional" to their riders. This is about them taking steps to control the quality and consistency of their riders in order to maximize their return on investment. That doesn't happen if you make it optional.
As someone who has approached teams in the past selling this exact program and more. I have each and every time been told that the team could not hire a strength and conditioning coach because the riders are independent contractors and that the team could not force a rider to train with a team trainer.

I will be curious to see how this is handled within the team.

I will say that I am more frustrated than jealous but I hope in the long run this leads to other teams hiring strength and conditioning coaches.

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5/12/2016 12:50pm
DonM wrote:
Basically KTM/Husky team riders will be able to train with Aldon on the teams dime...If they choose to go another route then it's on their dime...
FGR01 wrote:
Are you stating a known fact or an assumption? I seriously doubt KTM would go through the trouble of hiring a team trainer and then make...
Are you stating a known fact or an assumption?

I seriously doubt KTM would go through the trouble of hiring a team trainer and then make it "optional" to their riders. This is about them taking steps to control the quality and consistency of their riders in order to maximize their return on investment. That doesn't happen if you make it optional.
So Davalos has to get ride of his trainer?

I highly doubt that.

Do you honestly think CP could last in Aldons program?

I highly doubt that as well.

This was a move to stop Aldon from training their competition. Simple as that.

I can see them saying to the riders that are coming up and yet to be signed, you HAVE to work with Aldon and that being a stipulation in their contract. But not the current crop of guys.
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5/12/2016 12:52pm
Mitch Payton just talked about this in a recent Pulpmxshow...
http://pulpmxshow.com/show/302

For what it's worth, he said having one trainer for an entire team does not work.

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I think it would be pretty difficult for Aldon to do his job effectively if everyone who rides for a KTM or Husqvarna team is at...
I think it would be pretty difficult for Aldon to do his job effectively if everyone who rides for a KTM or Husqvarna team is at his facility. I don't really think they will force everyone to be on his program, I think this move was more so done so that the theoretical advantage that Aldon brings stay within KTM.
FGR01 wrote:
From the press release: [b]"The factory riders of the KTM GROUP and riders in our Junior program in the future will exclusively use the possibilities that...
From the press release:

"The factory riders of the KTM GROUP and riders in our Junior program in the future will exclusively use the possibilities that Aldon Baker offers with his first class ranch and training center in Florida."

Doesn't sound like they will allow riders to opt out and use a different trainer.
Im sure it optional, I believe the driving force behind this move would be that they are locking Aldon up so that riders on other brands cant reap the benefits of training with him and KTMs elite riders like Dungey/anderson/ musquin and being close to they're factory bikes/program. I think they've seen how beneficial it is for top tier racers to train side by side and push each other and they dont want a bogel, or seely, or peick hoping into the program and getting that much faster by training with their guys. Also I think KTM and Decoster and the team realize as most of them were ex riders and racers and pros that just because one program works for one rider doesn't mean it will for another. That being said Im sure they will encourage riders under the KTM flag to give it a try and for the amateur kids maybe they will have riding camps and stuff.This also opens up east coast SX tracks for the KTM/Husky teams to practice on during the season especially for teams like Troy Lee Design who are fielding East coast guys but are based solely out of SoCal
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mx_563 wrote:
Mitch Payton just talked about this in a recent Pulpmxshow... http://pulpmxshow.com/show/302 For what it's worth, he said having one trainer for an entire team does not...
Mitch Payton just talked about this in a recent Pulpmxshow...
http://pulpmxshow.com/show/302

For what it's worth, he said having one trainer for an entire team does not work.

Great point.

I dont know how it will work if they are forced to work with him.
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UpTiTe wrote:
Aldon Baker, getting paid stacks of cash for turning champions into champions since 2001.
marketing rule #1..........PERCEPTION is reality.......Cool Cool
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IceMan446 wrote:
Great point.

I dont know how it will work if they are forced to work with him.
Furthermore, he suggested that Aldon's program isn't ideal for teenagers.

Aldon himself has indicated that he does his best work when working with a select small group of riders.

As some have already indicated, I doubt Aldon would end up working with any/every KTM/Husq sponsored rider. I tend to agree with what you said about this being a move to prevent the competition from using Aldon.
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Man, I would have to say Aldon has to be the smartest dude in this sport! Sure there are guys that have come in to this...
Man, I would have to say Aldon has to be the smartest dude in this sport! Sure there are guys that have come in to this industry and manufactured some gimmick that everyone buys into and he succeeds for a while. Then there are the riders, they make good money for a few years, some end up getting hurt and forced to quit, others retire and fade away with whatever ($) they made. Then there's ALDON, the guy keeps plugging away year after year, leaching himself on to the next big name that comes along and making more and more money. He cant have much overhead, he offers no miracle product (don't mention the arm pump scam) and he has no secret training regimen! How the hell does he brainwash these guys into thinking they cant win without him? I get that he has a good track record with his win/loss percentage but come on, the guy started out chasing top name riders to work with and then all of a sudden, everyone thinks he's the reason for their success. Aldon has to be the best marketing success ever!
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Looks like you get an A+ in jealousy 101. The fuck are you? Aldon is a South African army vet, he trains the best dirt bike...
Looks like you get an A+ in jealousy 101. The fuck are you? Aldon is a South African army vet, he trains the best dirt bike racers in the world, and is making a fortune. He payed his fuckin dues. How can you hate on a guy for being successful. It's not like he scammed your mama out of $$.
This is funny Jay-Jay, has nothing to do with where he came from or what dues he's paid, just stating the opinion that he latched on to very talented riders when he came into the sport to gain his recognition and has used those titles to his advantages. That's what business is all about right? No Jealousy here.

As for the comments about his property, true he did purchase RV's property within the last couple of years.
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Wonder if it's now free for the riders?
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I'd venture to guess he'll parlay this into another level of his business. i.e. training trainers to train under his name and his 'system.' He'll continue to be the go-to guy for the top three or four factory guys, but someone who he has trained as a trainer will work with the younger generation. Only speculating, but if starts a "Baker Training" where he develops and certifies other trainers to train his way and he oversees it, he could have a pretty powerful farm system for that team all the while developing a program that can then be sold in terms of some type of PT certification, etc. Possibilities are endless for him at this point.
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5/12/2016 1:39pm Edited Date/Time 5/12/2016 1:40pm
TeamRags wrote:
This is funny Jay-Jay, has nothing to do with where he came from or what dues he's paid, just stating the opinion that he latched on...
This is funny Jay-Jay, has nothing to do with where he came from or what dues he's paid, just stating the opinion that he latched on to very talented riders when he came into the sport to gain his recognition and has used those titles to his advantages. That's what business is all about right? No Jealousy here.

As for the comments about his property, true he did purchase RV's property within the last couple of years.
RV's old place is now owned by the Grondahls and is referred to as "The Nest".

Baker bought his own land to start his operation.
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TeamRags wrote:
Man, I would have to say Aldon has to be the smartest dude in this sport! Sure there are guys that have come in to this...
Man, I would have to say Aldon has to be the smartest dude in this sport! Sure there are guys that have come in to this industry and manufactured some gimmick that everyone buys into and he succeeds for a while. Then there are the riders, they make good money for a few years, some end up getting hurt and forced to quit, others retire and fade away with whatever ($) they made. Then there's ALDON, the guy keeps plugging away year after year, leaching himself on to the next big name that comes along and making more and more money. He cant have much overhead, he offers no miracle product (don't mention the arm pump scam) and he has no secret training regimen! How the hell does he brainwash these guys into thinking they cant win without him? I get that he has a good track record with his win/loss percentage but come on, the guy started out chasing top name riders to work with and then all of a sudden, everyone thinks he's the reason for their success. Aldon has to be the best marketing success ever!
jj welks wrote:
Looks like you get an A+ in jealousy 101. The fuck are you? Aldon is a South African army vet, he trains the best dirt bike...
Looks like you get an A+ in jealousy 101. The fuck are you? Aldon is a South African army vet, he trains the best dirt bike racers in the world, and is making a fortune. He payed his fuckin dues. How can you hate on a guy for being successful. It's not like he scammed your mama out of $$.
TeamRags wrote:
This is funny Jay-Jay, has nothing to do with where he came from or what dues he's paid, just stating the opinion that he latched on...
This is funny Jay-Jay, has nothing to do with where he came from or what dues he's paid, just stating the opinion that he latched on to very talented riders when he came into the sport to gain his recognition and has used those titles to his advantages. That's what business is all about right? No Jealousy here.

As for the comments about his property, true he did purchase RV's property within the last couple of years.
You got it backwards...riders come to him...he did not buy RV's property...he bought his own
5/12/2016 2:05pm
Moens_Andy wrote:
Wonder if its for the whole KTM factory squad (including europe) is wat i mean.
dont think thats going to work out with the traveling during the season etc ....
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5/12/2016 2:05pm
UpTiTe wrote:
Aldon Baker, getting paid stacks of cash for turning champions into champions since 2001.
chuckie108 wrote:
While I certainly think there is some truth to this, a lot of guys find the last 2% to be legend under this guy. You can...
While I certainly think there is some truth to this, a lot of guys find the last 2% to be legend under this guy. You can certainly point to Townley, Weimer, and Rattray as proof of your statement. But its pretty hard not to see that RC, JS7(his one perfect season was with AB, and a head case since), Villo, Andseron, and now Dunge have found that last few pieces to the puzzle. Whether the juice was worth the squeeze would be a separate argument. Just one man's opinion of course.
This sounds like some classic confirmation bias though. Could someone plot a chart of all the riders that Aldon Baker has trained during whatever season and have their performance with him compared to their performance-curve before and after Baker and then put that against non-Baker-trained riders and their career performance curves? I mean if someone could do that and there would be any evident and consistent "anomaly" appearing in the performance curves of those training with Baker, then I would be a believer. Until then I must say I personally agree with uptite and teamrags and whoever, Baker if anything is great at marketing.

If Jeremy Martin was being trained by Baker people would use him as another example of how great his riders are. If one of his many "failed" prospects (though I'd say that is a stupid way of labeling riders who by most measures are extremely successful although not championship-winning) did good we would have heard how it was all thanks to Aldon Baker, but when they don't people shrug it off as a matter of him not "gelling with the program".

I am not bashing Aldon Bakers knowledge as a trainer here, but I do have to say that it is a rather unscientific way to look at things when you only lift out the positive results from a sample. Give enough monkeys enough time to hammer away at a keyboard and at some point they will have, purely by chance, mashed out the entire collection of Shakespeare. That does not make them genius (or the one supposedly training them, however that would work), that is just normal distribution and chance at work together with a large enough selection.

Someone will most likely be quick in telling me that "there are some very smart people behind these choices" and I am not going to argue with that. But I am going to remind that someone that it is also a known fact that riders can be picky about which boot they put on first or how their pre-race routine should pan out. Athletes (in all sports) are known to have well-documented habits that they need to go through to be able to focus and perform, but no sane person would ever try to argue that there is anything more to it than head-games. If KTM can spend hundreds of thousands on a placebo that make their riders perform and thus make KTM millions in return, that is a good investment. Full stop.

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