racer x ping - dig at mxa

Edited Date/Time 2/10/2016 2:06am
Did anybody catch the "don't listen to the man in the orange helmet" comment by ping in the racer x 450sxf dialed in segment video.

I think it's pretty funny. Ping basically says in stock trim the 450 kxf is a really good bike. Don't have to change much. Even though mxa often wants to change hundred things on every bike and really likes to point out and exaggerate a bikes shortcomings.

I thought it was really funny. You guys might not though lol.
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2/2/2016 5:15am
I can dig it. Jody W. is an arrogant asshole.
2/2/2016 5:18am
Put a tooth on the rear sprocket, bro.
2/2/2016 5:19am
Personal experience? Do tell lol
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2/2/2016 5:54am
Sad really.

I had noticed the Racer X vs. MXA brush war had virtually died out after the Glen Helen National was put back on the schedule. Plus the USGP. Hopefully that little snipe doesn't get it started again.

FYI: Ping rode the bike over a weekend. MXA tested & raced theirs for months. I have never read anything in MXA but high praise about the current SXF450, they only make suggestions they feel might help. The vast majority always seem to be true.

I read and love both magazines, but I certainly don't read Racer X for their bike tests.

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2/2/2016 5:57am
Ya do you remember in mxa they printed in the mag Ping should go to college instead of pro mx/sx lol.
That was great though "don't listen to the orange helmet"
2/2/2016 6:01am
I read both mags. I just pointing it out thay is was pretty funny.

Also ping was a factory rider..... jody never was or I think anyone who currently tests at mxa has had a factory ride either. Could be wrong idk.
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I read both mags. I just pointing it out thay is was pretty funny. Also ping was a factory rider..... jody never was or I think...
I read both mags. I just pointing it out thay is was pretty funny.

Also ping was a factory rider..... jody never was or I think anyone who currently tests at mxa has had a factory ride either. Could be wrong idk.
Yes, you could be wrong.
2/2/2016 6:09am Edited Date/Time 2/2/2016 6:10am
1stSSPZ wrote:
I can dig it. Jody W. is an arrogant asshole.
I tried to stay unbiased. Then I read an article he wrote about the BMW 450 that he was supposed to race. He apparently rode it 50 feet in the parking lot, turned around, tossed it on the stand and refused to ride it anymore.

He then went on a lengthy diatribe about how he has been riding bikes forever, and is so keen at determining what constitutes a good bike from a bad bike, that he only needed 50 feet from the truck to the trail head to determine it was junk.

He also added that the bikes he favors in shootouts are the ones that "listen MXA's suggestions" in the previous shootouts for the following year's bike. The fucker thinks he is the defacto R&D department for all 6 major manufacturers...

That is not arrogant. Arrogant doesnt even cover that. That's delusional. Extremely delusional. The OEMs don't give a fuck about an opinionated, arrogant old man. and if you think you can completely toss a bike to the wolves after 50 feet across a parking lot, you're higher than a kite. someone has to know what article im talking about.
2/2/2016 6:11am
Who tests with them that was a former factory rider? Not someone who rode pro as a privateer?

This thread wasn't to bash mxa. Was just to point something out I thought was funny
2/2/2016 6:23am Edited Date/Time 2/2/2016 6:24am
Ok, I've been wanting to start a thread on this for awhile.. but refrained from doing so just because I didn't want to use Vital as a place for bashing industry figure heads (as redundant as that sounds lol).. Thought about sending a PM to ML or GuyB... but here it goes..

Why does it seem like so many people in the industry have such beef with Jody Weisel?? I know Matthes and many others seem to not care for the guy much, and it just seems like I've heard of numerous others get on that bandwagon, but next to nobody take up for the guy. Seems to be a big line drawn in the sand between Team Jody / REM dudes vs. everyone else...

What's the beef??
2/2/2016 6:24am
Factories absolutely listen to mxa. I remember back in the 80's and early 90's that certain bikes would get praise from the other mags, while mxa would point out certain flaws; the very next year the bikes would have the "flaws" either fixed or addressed. At one time mxa was the literal voice of the mx industry. I've had a year subscription to racer x, and I've never even seen one bike being tested. I do, however, know what Blake Wharton's band sounds like, and how the mx scene in Saudi Arabia is operating lol. I'd wager 90% of young kids who get into mx, do so because they like reading about dirt bikes; they aren't getting served by the stupid "lifestyle" mags that litter the newsstands. MXA is the only magazine for people who are interested in the technical aspects of bikes, and race coverage.
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2/2/2016 6:24am
1stSSPZ wrote:
I can dig it. Jody W. is an arrogant asshole.
After 40 years of riding (yes I'm getting tired of the how we use to be crap also) I finally made it to the California scene when I took my son to the MXGP at Glen Helen. I met Jody out of happenstance on their walk of fame sidewalk.

You could not be more correct, after a couple little chats, the way he talked, you would have thought Jesus was fetching him coffee.
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2/2/2016 6:29am
Factories absolutely listen to mxa. I remember back in the 80's and early 90's that certain bikes would get praise from the other mags, while mxa...
Factories absolutely listen to mxa. I remember back in the 80's and early 90's that certain bikes would get praise from the other mags, while mxa would point out certain flaws; the very next year the bikes would have the "flaws" either fixed or addressed. At one time mxa was the literal voice of the mx industry. I've had a year subscription to racer x, and I've never even seen one bike being tested. I do, however, know what Blake Wharton's band sounds like, and how the mx scene in Saudi Arabia is operating lol. I'd wager 90% of young kids who get into mx, do so because they like reading about dirt bikes; they aren't getting served by the stupid "lifestyle" mags that litter the newsstands. MXA is the only magazine for people who are interested in the technical aspects of bikes, and race coverage.
No they don't, MXA has an ability to go to Japan and see whats coming out to make themselves look good.

You understand that the OEMs already have most, if not all the 17 bikes made or tooled for by the time anybody does a shootout (The design of the 18s are most likely done also and fixing to tool for them now) , MXA is notorious for finding out that info and then rant about it in their shootouts like they know something. They've been doing this for decades.
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2/2/2016 6:33am
Factories absolutely listen to mxa. I remember back in the 80's and early 90's that certain bikes would get praise from the other mags, while mxa...
Factories absolutely listen to mxa. I remember back in the 80's and early 90's that certain bikes would get praise from the other mags, while mxa would point out certain flaws; the very next year the bikes would have the "flaws" either fixed or addressed. At one time mxa was the literal voice of the mx industry. I've had a year subscription to racer x, and I've never even seen one bike being tested. I do, however, know what Blake Wharton's band sounds like, and how the mx scene in Saudi Arabia is operating lol. I'd wager 90% of young kids who get into mx, do so because they like reading about dirt bikes; they aren't getting served by the stupid "lifestyle" mags that litter the newsstands. MXA is the only magazine for people who are interested in the technical aspects of bikes, and race coverage.
Your last two words baffle me... Maybe REM coverage? I like some of the dudes over there. Basher is cool and I have been friends with Stapleton forever. But claiming they are the go-to for race coverage is simply off base.
2/2/2016 6:35am
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No they don't, MXA has an ability to go to Japan and see whats coming out to make themselves look good. You understand that the OEMs...
No they don't, MXA has an ability to go to Japan and see whats coming out to make themselves look good.

You understand that the OEMs already have most, if not all the 17 bikes made or tooled for by the time anybody does a shootout (The design of the 18s are most likely done also and fixing to tool for them now) , MXA is notorious for finding out that info and then rant about it in their shootouts like they know something. They've been doing this for decades.
Very good point, and possibly a better explanation, but I still say mxa is a better mag than the rest. Jody does come off as an arrogant bung hole, but who cares?
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Ok, I've been wanting to start a thread on this for awhile.. but refrained from doing so just because I didn't want to use Vital as...
Ok, I've been wanting to start a thread on this for awhile.. but refrained from doing so just because I didn't want to use Vital as a place for bashing industry figure heads (as redundant as that sounds lol).. Thought about sending a PM to ML or GuyB... but here it goes..

Why does it seem like so many people in the industry have such beef with Jody Weisel?? I know Matthes and many others seem to not care for the guy much, and it just seems like I've heard of numerous others get on that bandwagon, but next to nobody take up for the guy. Seems to be a big line drawn in the sand between Team Jody / REM dudes vs. everyone else...

What's the beef??
I think you've got your answer here. He's an arrogant asshole. Smart, Influential, experienced and hard working but...an arrogant asshole.
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2/2/2016 6:36am
Who has the hotter wife?

problem solved.
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I read both mags. I just pointing it out thay is was pretty funny. Also ping was a factory rider..... jody never was or I think...
I read both mags. I just pointing it out thay is was pretty funny.

Also ping was a factory rider..... jody never was or I think anyone who currently tests at mxa has had a factory ride either. Could be wrong idk.
Jody claims to have been a factory Hodaka rider sometime in the 1970's. I raced CMC in the 70's and 80's many times in the pro class. I saw Jody there many times and although I am not sure what class he raced in, it definitely was not the pro class. Jody was an intermediate at best.
2/2/2016 6:49am Edited Date/Time 2/2/2016 6:54am
Jt$ wrote:
Your last two words baffle me... Maybe REM coverage? I like some of the dudes over there. Basher is cool and I have been friends with...
Your last two words baffle me... Maybe REM coverage? I like some of the dudes over there. Basher is cool and I have been friends with Stapleton forever. But claiming they are the go-to for race coverage is simply off base.
Ok, "race coverage" was off base lol. I still stand by the rest of it. The whole part of being a young, new mx fan was reading bike tests and the tech articles, and most of the new magazines blow in that respect. Maybe the four stroke "revolution" killed that aspect of it, but I dont know. Just my opinion. MXA is still the only magazine that I will re-read. The only other mag I have a subscription to get read once and never reopened, because it's boring as shit.
2/2/2016 6:50am
Who tests with them that was a former factory rider? Not someone who rode pro as a privateer? This thread wasn't to bash mxa. Was just...
Who tests with them that was a former factory rider? Not someone who rode pro as a privateer?

This thread wasn't to bash mxa. Was just to point something out I thought was funny
McGrath was test rider for MXA and so was Larry Brooks. This was before McGrath was the king but MXA knows their stuff even if Jody comes across as a tool sometimes. I like Ping too, he has a great sense of humor.Wink
2/2/2016 6:53am
abn166 wrote:
Jody claims to have been a factory Hodaka rider sometime in the 1970's. I raced CMC in the 70's and 80's many times in the pro...
Jody claims to have been a factory Hodaka rider sometime in the 1970's. I raced CMC in the 70's and 80's many times in the pro class. I saw Jody there many times and although I am not sure what class he raced in, it definitely was not the pro class. Jody was an intermediate at best.
Early 70s Jody was a pro and not half bad. He could hold his own even if he was never gonna be a star.
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abn166 wrote:
Jody claims to have been a factory Hodaka rider sometime in the 1970's. I raced CMC in the 70's and 80's many times in the pro...
Jody claims to have been a factory Hodaka rider sometime in the 1970's. I raced CMC in the 70's and 80's many times in the pro class. I saw Jody there many times and although I am not sure what class he raced in, it definitely was not the pro class. Jody was an intermediate at best.
lostboy819 wrote:
Early 70s Jody was a pro and not half bad. He could hold his own even if he was never gonna be a star.
If that is true, then I am not sure what happened by the late 70's. He definitely was not in the pro class or going pro speed in southern California.
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2/2/2016 7:01am
Its funny how so many do take shots at MXA, yet when it comes to these shootouts, their opinion gets noticed more than the others. Its obvious Jody comes across like an arrogant asshole, but when it comes to an opinion, hes usually right.

Thats BMW 450 was the perfect example, or when that Cannondale motorcycle was produced. Dirt Rider called it the bike of the year and MXA hated it, and was not afraid to say so.

MXA also never took advertising money from Tobacco or Alcohol manufacturers. I always thought that was strange, but admired them for doing so.
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2/2/2016 7:16am
I tried to stay unbiased. Then I read an article he wrote about the BMW 450 that he was supposed to race. He apparently rode it...
I tried to stay unbiased. Then I read an article he wrote about the BMW 450 that he was supposed to race. He apparently rode it 50 feet in the parking lot, turned around, tossed it on the stand and refused to ride it anymore.

He then went on a lengthy diatribe about how he has been riding bikes forever, and is so keen at determining what constitutes a good bike from a bad bike, that he only needed 50 feet from the truck to the trail head to determine it was junk.

He also added that the bikes he favors in shootouts are the ones that "listen MXA's suggestions" in the previous shootouts for the following year's bike. The fucker thinks he is the defacto R&D department for all 6 major manufacturers...

That is not arrogant. Arrogant doesnt even cover that. That's delusional. Extremely delusional. The OEMs don't give a fuck about an opinionated, arrogant old man. and if you think you can completely toss a bike to the wolves after 50 feet across a parking lot, you're higher than a kite. someone has to know what article im talking about.
While it's true there's no way to tell how good or bad a bike is by riding it 50 feet , in this case he happened to be correct.
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2/2/2016 7:28am Edited Date/Time 2/2/2016 7:29am
I'd say racing MX virtually every weekend for forty years might teach you a thing or two. Not to forget riding every MX made in all those years.

What does it matter if someone was a "Factory Rider" concerning testing bikes / products? Are you racing a National? I seriously doubt it. They are so fast their likes have very little in common with me, the local guy. Their opinion may or may not be of any use to me.

Hint: Sand bagging in the 125cc/Lites 250 regional supercross series for ten years may or may not be a plus when it comes to being a test rider.
2/2/2016 7:31am
I called Jody up one time at MXA in 1987 and said I wanted to be a moto-journalist. He was super cool, we BS'd around and he gave me an article idea. I never did write it, like a jackass, but I did go on to a career in journalism.

I believe that at some point in time he got sick of moto fans. Look at the threads on Vital and imagine being immersed in that 24/7. He basically doesn't give a crap as he flies around in his planes and enjoys his place in the upper echelon of SoCal motocross. The dude has a PhD and a bit of an elitist attitude.What does he really owe anybody other than his work on the magazine?
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2/2/2016 7:33am Edited Date/Time 2/2/2016 7:34am
The typical internet aficionado doesn't have the attention span or reading comprehension to make it all the way through a MXA bike test or shootout. And just how much does Jody have to do with the mag these days? Seems there is more input from others than ever before. Other than Jody's claim to fame factory Hodaka ride, MXA has had serious factory level talent testing bikes over the decades. But I get it, Transworlds one paragraph race test is where it's at these days. As long as the seat doesn't make some bikini clad chics ass look fat it's a winner.

2/2/2016 7:45am
1 tooth in the front is equal to 3 in the rear.
2/2/2016 8:02am
The only thing I really pay attention to from MXA is their shootouts because of the fact that they will call a manufacture out on its issues unlike most other mags. They seem to be the only ones that don't dance around and sugar coat the fact that the Hondas chassis is crap along with other problems with the other bikes. When I see or read a shootout I want to see the truth about the bikes not just what they all do well. I also like the fact that they test them over a couple months at different tracks for the shootout, not just one day at one track. Anyone remember RacerX's shootout for 2015? A short video from milestone that said the Honda won the shootout, yet not one other magazine had it in the top 3 that I saw. As for Jody, definitely arrogant but I don't pay much attention to him. Ping on the other hand, I read his Mail article every Friday!

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