How would you handle this Rocky Mountain Atv Mc problem

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So, most of the time I use BTO or motosport, but I used rmatvmc for some tires. I was expecting them on Monday. Monday afternoon comes...
So, most of the time I use BTO or motosport, but I used rmatvmc for some tires. I was expecting them on Monday. Monday afternoon comes around, and I don't receive anything, so I check the tracking. It says package was delivered, even though I never got anything. I go round and round with RM and fed ex. In the end they, (RM), say tough luck, no insurance on deliveries, and I would have to buy the tires again (about a $325 purchase). What would you do?
If you were returning something to Rocky Mountain and the shipping company showed that it was delivered to them but they claimed to not have received it, what do you think should happen?

Sounds like a delivery company issue more than a Rocky Mountain issue to me.
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What he said^^. I tell our customers, if you buy from us we take the risk of it not showing up. If it's the wrong size...
What he said^^. I tell our customers, if you buy from us we take the risk of it not showing up. If it's the wrong size, we take care of it. Until we put it in your hands it's on us and it's wrong you don't have to get a return authorization. Our prices are comparable plus you get to put your hands on it. The more you buy from us the more we can stock.

Besides that you can sit on the new motorcycles while you're here.
I see you're in Pine Bluff, what shop is this?
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APLMAN99 is correct in saying that it is a delivery problem, not a RM problem. Unfortunately, if the customer doesn't pursue whatever strategy will get results, he will be left holding the bag. It doesn't have to make sense. And it isn't partucularly fair to RM if they have to eat the cost of tires. But a person has to do what it takes to get results and in this case, since OP isn't the shipper, I promise you the delivery company is going to be of no help whatsoever. Somebody might look around a warehouse, but that's about it.

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1/16/2016 4:29pm Edited Date/Time 1/17/2016 6:44am
Holy fuck does this country have 1st world problems or what?
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1/16/2016 5:37pm
One thing to realize is both UPS and FedEx hands off some of there home deliveries to the USPS. It is possible that FedEx handed it over to the USPS and they are sitting on there overpaid government butts waiting to deliver it to your house.
1/16/2016 5:42pm
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1/16/2016 6:27pm Edited Date/Time 1/16/2016 6:28pm
1) Drive to your local shop
2) Bullshit with parts guy about tonight's SX
3) Buy tires
And pay $100 instead of $80.

No thanks. Been there done that.

Yes, the internet is killing local shops. But thats how it is. Use a typewriter lately?

Typewriters are gone because new technology replaced them. Same with the local shop.
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1/16/2016 6:46pm
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I've noticed that the USPS guys in my area are fudging their numbers a bit. I've had several packages show as delivered on the tracking but...
I've noticed that the USPS guys in my area are fudging their numbers a bit. I've had several packages show as delivered on the tracking but it's no where to be found. Then I see the guy with my own eyes deliver it 3 days after it says delivered. This has typically been with Amazon deliveries and I think the USPS is probably under a lot of pressure to maintain that 2 day shipping that Amazon offers. Anyways this don't help you at all, as you were.
The shop i work at had a honda package showed delivered the same day we put the po in... showed on fedex as delivered and signed for... by OUR receiving guy... how the hell does that happen.... showed 2 days later
1/16/2016 7:03pm
Rocky Mountain has some good deals on Bridgestones.
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1) Drive to your local shop
2) Bullshit with parts guy about tonight's SX
3) Buy tires
coastie44 wrote:
And pay $100 instead of $80. No thanks. Been there done that. Yes, the internet is killing local shops. But thats how it is. Use a...
And pay $100 instead of $80.

No thanks. Been there done that.

Yes, the internet is killing local shops. But thats how it is. Use a typewriter lately?

Typewriters are gone because new technology replaced them. Same with the local shop.
When's the last time you had an issue getting that 100 dollar tire to your doorstep?
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1/17/2016 4:11am
When's the last time you had an issue getting that 100 dollar tire to your doorstep?
It just demonstrates he values price over service.

Everyone has priorities. I'd rather go into a shop where I can chat and look around rather than clicking and clicking.

Everyone is different.

Shane
1/17/2016 4:32am Edited Date/Time 1/17/2016 4:33am
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1. buy new tires from another outlet. 2. Call CC company and dispute. They have to prove you got the goods. Not gonna happen. 3. Call...
1. buy new tires from another outlet.
2. Call CC company and dispute. They have to prove you got the goods. Not gonna happen.
3. Call RM and advise of dispute and see what they can do.

ALL delivery trucks now have GPS and will display the coords of where the package was left. They should be able to provide this info, maybe a neighbors got them.
Not true. I once had UPS make three attempts on delivering a high end set of BMX wheels about a year ago. Tracking said undeliverable address. I have been in the same house for over 30 years, and this was my first problem with a delivery from UPS. I watch their trucks run up and down my street daily.

Finally went to the distribution center to pick them up, and I point blank asked the counter clerk if they used GPS.

Her reply was , some of the drivers do, but a lot rely on experience, old school map books, and intuition.

I basically said WTF, it's 2015, grabbed my stuff, and left.

Many problems with USPS Priority as well.
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1/17/2016 4:44am
It just demonstrates he values price over service. Everyone has priorities. I'd rather go into a shop where I can chat and look around rather than...
It just demonstrates he values price over service.

Everyone has priorities. I'd rather go into a shop where I can chat and look around rather than clicking and clicking.

Everyone is different.

Shane
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1/17/2016 5:48am
When's the last time you had an issue getting that 100 dollar tire to your doorstep?
A better question would be "when's the last time you had problems getting that $80 tire to your doorstep?" And the answer is, in 10+ years of internet shopping, never.

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1/17/2016 5:53am Edited Date/Time 1/17/2016 5:56am
It just demonstrates he values price over service. Everyone has priorities. I'd rather go into a shop where I can chat and look around rather than...
It just demonstrates he values price over service.

Everyone has priorities. I'd rather go into a shop where I can chat and look around rather than clicking and clicking.

Everyone is different.

Shane
Actually that's not true. I get 100x better service from RMATV, Motosport, BTO, then I get from *any* local dealer. Not that I haven't tried either. But the dealers in NorCal are far and few between that have any interest in carrying a decent inventory for dirt bikes at a decent price.

And when I need OEM parts I can look shit up a hell of a lot faster than the joe schmoe at any of the dealers here.

I used to get good service from Bobs Cycle in MN as well but they have sort of been overtaken by the other three.

In fact, it's service **and** price. I work hard for my money, I'm not giving it away.
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To the OP.

Can you provide some context related to your neighborhood and whether you were home when the tires were delivered or whether they sat on your porch for a long time? Personally, I've had no problems with RM and found their service to be excellent. $300+ tires is a pretty large package and I've found that they usually shrink wrap them all together and ship like that. So it is fairly obvious what the 'package' is.

Its probably not this cut and dried, but if you live in a house where your front porch is within clear view of a busy street with lots of strangers going by, and your tires were delivered mid-day and sat there on your porch until you got home from work around dinner time, well, its likely someone stole them. How can this be either RM or FedX's problem? If this is close to the scenario, then you should have had the tires held at the local distribution warehouse for you to pick up cuz your neighbors, or the folks driving by, are thieves. I mean, ya left $300+ sitting on your front porch waiting for an opportunist to happen by.

On the other hand, is possible they were delivered to the wrong house.
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1/17/2016 3:17pm
dmac1 wrote:
To the OP. Can you provide some context related to your neighborhood and whether you were home when the tires were delivered or whether they sat...
To the OP.

Can you provide some context related to your neighborhood and whether you were home when the tires were delivered or whether they sat on your porch for a long time? Personally, I've had no problems with RM and found their service to be excellent. $300+ tires is a pretty large package and I've found that they usually shrink wrap them all together and ship like that. So it is fairly obvious what the 'package' is.

Its probably not this cut and dried, but if you live in a house where your front porch is within clear view of a busy street with lots of strangers going by, and your tires were delivered mid-day and sat there on your porch until you got home from work around dinner time, well, its likely someone stole them. How can this be either RM or FedX's problem? If this is close to the scenario, then you should have had the tires held at the local distribution warehouse for you to pick up cuz your neighbors, or the folks driving by, are thieves. I mean, ya left $300+ sitting on your front porch waiting for an opportunist to happen by.

On the other hand, is possible they were delivered to the wrong house.
They were delivered on a Saturday around 11:20 (according to fedex). I was out riding with my son ( no one home) and got home around 12:30. On the weekends my street is not very busy at all. For miami, I live in a pretty nice area. Most homes around me start about $600k, and most are over a mil. I've lived here for over 4 years, and my wife and I seem to constantly have packages delivered and have never had a problem.
1/17/2016 11:51pm Edited Date/Time 1/18/2016 4:28am
Beast666 wrote:
One thing to realize is both UPS and FedEx hands off some of there home deliveries to the USPS. It is possible that FedEx handed it...
One thing to realize is both UPS and FedEx hands off some of there home deliveries to the USPS. It is possible that FedEx handed it over to the USPS and they are sitting on there overpaid government butts waiting to deliver it to your house.
How times have changed because I have better luck with the good old United states postal service now than with UPS or Fedup oops I mean fedex. Blush Fedex if they do deliver it to the right house then its broken.




1/18/2016 3:29am Edited Date/Time 1/18/2016 3:34am
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I can tell you that in the past 4yrs of living here in Portland , 3 different times UPS has delivered my stuff to the wrong...
I can tell you that in the past 4yrs of living here in Portland , 3 different times UPS has delivered my stuff to the wrong house.....and then they denied ever doing it! One item in paticular was an $800.00 RC radio controller. 2 days went by and I couldn't get UPS to help on anything , except to say " We're sorry but it was delivered to your house."

I took it upon myself to go around and ask all my neighbors and none of them had seen my packagae. There is an abandoned hose 4 doors down from mine and I went up to it and low and behold....there was my fucking package sitting on the porch! It sat there in plain site for 3 days at that abandoned house. I called UPS and went off on them to say the least. The other two times I actually had neighbors honest enough to deliver it to me , and I've done the same when I get their stuff.

Christmas Eve 2yrs ago I got a package and didn't open it , because I had a feeling it was a certain item I ordered that just got here faster than expected. It wasn't! I looked at the address and it was for a family about 4 - 5 houses down and it was a brand new Xbox they had ordered for their kid. Even though it was late , they were very happy to receive it. Wish I would of looked at the label sooner.

UPS freakin sucks!
Ups has better service percentage than any shipping company. Sucks you had a bad experience.



What people forget Is: there address isn't visible at the road. Get some nice reflective numbers and put them on your mailbox. Doesn't hurt to put the number on your house too.

@ry9mx: atleast that's all they stole. Coulda been bikes. Thieves like to patrol porches in high dollar neeoghborgoods. They aren't robbing shitholes in the hood.

You can put a lock container on your porch and give the combo to the ups or fedex guy. If theft is a big problem they'll put your stuff in a lock container.
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If the package is not shipped signature required or with a declared value, the most they will give back to the manufacturer is $100. That's if the manufacturer puts in a claim and wins. FedEx or ups will then review the driver's GPS for that day and get a story from the driver, have him drive back to verify etc. Anyway, then the manufacturer (in this case rockymountainatvmc) doesn't necessarily have to give you that money back or do anything for you.

My guess is that they probably ship enough that they are a huge customer for ups or fedex. If you make a big enough stink about it, it probably just takes one call to the respective rep of the shipping company to get a credit and in turn get your situation worked out. They probably just don't WANT to.

I'd be pissed and if dispute the charge, which is often too big of a hassle for the manufacturer to even deal with. They will then reship signature required to get the dispute dropped. Gotta remember that these tires probably cost them a third of what you paid. It's way easier to replace the product than to give you the money .

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1/18/2016 6:21am
Shop local and stop wasting our time with your problems
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1/18/2016 7:00am
Page and a half beyond where Rocky Mountain responded in this thread to say they would take care of it. Hopefully OP saw this?? Middle of page 2.
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1/18/2016 2:36pm
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I wonder how long it will take for this thread to disappear?
Heck, we still let you post here, and you're way more annoying than this thread. Should we make you disappear, first?
1/18/2016 2:45pm
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Page and a half beyond where Rocky Mountain responded in this thread to say they would take care of it. Hopefully OP saw this?? Middle of...
Page and a half beyond where Rocky Mountain responded in this thread to say they would take care of it. Hopefully OP saw this?? Middle of page 2.
They did but I think the guy would rather just bitch and complain even though it was not RMs fault he still wants to pin it on them. I dont think RM could do anything to make it right other than give the guy a free set of tires and take the loss.He needs to go after FEDEX they are the ones who dropped the ball or like I say buy from a local shop.
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1/18/2016 7:29pm Edited Date/Time 1/18/2016 7:31pm
When's the last time you had an issue getting that 100 dollar tire to your doorstep?
It just demonstrates he values price over service. Everyone has priorities. I'd rather go into a shop where I can chat and look around rather than...
It just demonstrates he values price over service.

Everyone has priorities. I'd rather go into a shop where I can chat and look around rather than clicking and clicking.

Everyone is different.

Shane
All of my local shops can't be bothered to so much as look up a part for me. I found one guy in town who was helpful but he got promoted and doesn't work up front anymore. Most shop guys I see are flatbiller racers with attitude problems.I want to support a brick and mortar store but it works both ways.
Don't mean to imply that Shane is this way, but going to a shop doesn't necessarily mean you will receive good or even fair service.
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Jharper wrote:
If the package is not shipped signature required or with a declared value, the most they will give back to the manufacturer is $100. That's if...
If the package is not shipped signature required or with a declared value, the most they will give back to the manufacturer is $100. That's if the manufacturer puts in a claim and wins. FedEx or ups will then review the driver's GPS for that day and get a story from the driver, have him drive back to verify etc. Anyway, then the manufacturer (in this case rockymountainatvmc) doesn't necessarily have to give you that money back or do anything for you.

My guess is that they probably ship enough that they are a huge customer for ups or fedex. If you make a big enough stink about it, it probably just takes one call to the respective rep of the shipping company to get a credit and in turn get your situation worked out. They probably just don't WANT to.

I'd be pissed and if dispute the charge, which is often too big of a hassle for the manufacturer to even deal with. They will then reship signature required to get the dispute dropped. Gotta remember that these tires probably cost them a third of what you paid. It's way easier to replace the product than to give you the money .

I have worked for UPS and Fed Ex. Only UPS has GPS built in to their scanner. I'm guessing it was delivered to the wrong address or some scumbags were following the Fed Ex truck. Good luck. My wife sent a package over the holidays with my company. We lost it for a week and then when it was delivered it was destroyed.
1/18/2016 8:17pm
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Heck, we still let you post here, and you're way more annoying than this thread. Should we make you disappear, first?
That hurts.

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All of my local shops can't be bothered to so much as look up a part for me. I found one guy in town who was...
All of my local shops can't be bothered to so much as look up a part for me. I found one guy in town who was helpful but he got promoted and doesn't work up front anymore. Most shop guys I see are flatbiller racers with attitude problems.I want to support a brick and mortar store but it works both ways.
Don't mean to imply that Shane is this way, but going to a shop doesn't necessarily mean you will receive good or even fair service.
It's unfortunate that your local shops are that way. I know the shop I work for tries to keep a good stock of products and we try to be as competitive as we can on price. We can't commonly match penny for penny an online price, but I'll try to get you close. If it's a customer that we have a relationship with the chances of getting just a little closer for a specific item increase a bit.

And I didn't take it that you'd think I'm a flat bill racer. The reality is that I'm a vet rider (that doesn't even race anymore) and has been there a long time. I actually spend more of my time doing inventory management projects than I do taking care of customers. I guess it's one of those things that's come with time and experience in the department. I still take care of my share of customers, just not as much as some of the other guys who haven't been there very long (which in itself is a double edge sword). The other problem is that you have to catch me there on one of the two days a week I work there. I have a career outside of the shop that really pays my bills. I stay at the shop because it keeps me out of trouble, I've been there a long time and enjoy it and I've been able to network pretty well throughout the industry.

More shops should follow the model of providing product and service. And by buying inventory right and planning it, you can actually do somewhat well on margins and have the reps take care of you when issues arise. But the flip side of that is having the capital up front to do bigger orders and being willing to do so.

Before this gets way off topic, I'll end it here. The business side of the industry is a whole topic in itself that nobody will see eye to eye on unless they've been in it.

Shane
1/19/2016 8:33am
My local shop does not carry the model bridgestone tire use. They can get it for 50 bucks more than i can get it from rocky Mountain with free shipping. Then the other is Langston motorsports. Good luck. Their prices are just stupid high.

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