Got to love Hannah. lol

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jeffro503 11/8/2015 8:37pm
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Ha ha, "C" class kids (the majority that will never line up for a pro mx or sx race) are gonna put 30 seconds on Bob...
Ha ha, "C" class kids (the majority that will never line up for a pro mx or sx race) are gonna put 30 seconds on Bob Hannah!!
Who the fuck said that?
DanDunes818 11/8/2015 8:39pm
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Weston has a LL title guys. There are plenty of guys that have made it to the top level that do not have rich daddies.
I would say the majority of the elite pro's did not have rich Poppa's. Sure, a large number of top amateurs have family money but in my experience, the one's that come from wealthy families don't become "the greats" in the sport.
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jhansen510 11/8/2015 8:46pm
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Weston has a LL title guys. There are plenty of guys that have made it to the top level that do not have rich daddies.
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I would say the majority of the elite pro's did not have rich Poppa's. Sure, a large number of top amateurs have family money but in...
I would say the majority of the elite pro's did not have rich Poppa's. Sure, a large number of top amateurs have family money but in my experience, the one's that come from wealthy families don't become "the greats" in the sport.
Agreed.

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ROCKNDAWG 11/9/2015 11:11am
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Im an old dude, some of you guys saying negative comments about Hannah never saw him ride. He was super unbelievably fast in his prime! Also people who think the top riders didn't train back then are also completely wrong. Hannah, Bailey, O-show all those guys trained their backsides off. I used to do Triathlons and bikes races back then and the O-Show or Broc would show up and beat almost all the sport specific pros!
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Im an old dude, some of you guys saying negative comments about Hannah never saw him ride. He was super unbelievably fast in his prime! Also...
Im an old dude, some of you guys saying negative comments about Hannah never saw him ride. He was super unbelievably fast in his prime! Also people who think the top riders didn't train back then are also completely wrong. Hannah, Bailey, O-show all those guys trained their backsides off. I used to do Triathlons and bikes races back then and the O-Show or Broc would show up and beat almost all the sport specific pros!
Broc? He sounds slow like a C rider....

Reefer Sutherland 11/9/2015 11:45am
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Some facts.

Hannah used to run 6 minute miles for 10 miles. He raced a non-powervalve works 250 twostroke with 6 inches of suspension on unprepped tracks for 45 minute motos.

And 22 year old know-nothings who only know this sport from Carmichael's retirement to the present want to shit all over him and his opinion.
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Uncle Tony 11/9/2015 11:58am
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Wow this whole thread boggles my mind, wasn't there a thread about Johnny O'Mara not being equal with other great riders of his era? These youngsters know nothing about the history of this sport, it's very sad when some trail rider says that Hannah is irrelevant, riders from the 70's and 80's are some of the toughest racers EVER in this sport period!!! Even compared to today's riders, not knowing that just proves you don't know shit about motocross
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DoctorJD 11/9/2015 12:03pm
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The last old codger to talk shit like this was Greg Lemond. Ha ha, he had no idea what he was talking about......oh, wait.
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Myke 11/9/2015 12:11pm
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Uncle Tony wrote:
Wow this whole thread boggles my mind, wasn't there a thread about Johnny O'Mara not being equal with other great riders of his era? These youngsters...
Wow this whole thread boggles my mind, wasn't there a thread about Johnny O'Mara not being equal with other great riders of his era? These youngsters know nothing about the history of this sport, it's very sad when some trail rider says that Hannah is irrelevant, riders from the 70's and 80's are some of the toughest racers EVER in this sport period!!! Even compared to today's riders, not knowing that just proves you don't know shit about motocross
+1
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robkinuk 11/9/2015 12:13pm
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The last old codger to talk shit like this was Greg Lemond. Ha ha, he had no idea what he was talking about......oh, wait.
Can we have a like button?
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MX-Files 11/9/2015 12:29pm
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It comes down to heart. Doesn't matter if you're riding the best there was against the best there was in 1976, 1986, 1996, 2006, or 2016, I know Bob says it takes "heart" over anything else and not like "aerobic heart"...More like courage, guts, determination, sacrifice and "will to kill your competition everytime" you hit the track. How many guys have the "killer instinct" these days. (Perhaps another thread idea?)

Maybe this is the core of of Bob was saying...if you have "the heart" to be a champion, you don't need trainers, PED's, etc. because your "heart" and desire to destroy the completion will help you train yourself to win, run 6 minute miles, etc. Put Bob Hannah's heart in a C Class rider today and he'll be the next champ.

If you keep reading in that interview that's why he said if he would've done anything differently was to "back it down". Win by 2 seconds, not 40. But he couldn't help himself, he wanted to destroy the the comp. He'll say the same thing about RC...because he knows RC had heart.



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Hut 11/9/2015 12:33pm
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It comes down to heart. Doesn't matter if you're riding the best there was against the best there was in 1976, 1986, 1996, 2006, or 2016...
It comes down to heart. Doesn't matter if you're riding the best there was against the best there was in 1976, 1986, 1996, 2006, or 2016, I know Bob says it takes "heart" over anything else and not like "aerobic heart"...More like courage, guts, determination, sacrifice and "will to kill your competition everytime" you hit the track. How many guys have the "killer instinct" these days. (Perhaps another thread idea?)

Maybe this is the core of of Bob was saying...if you have "the heart" to be a champion, you don't need trainers, PED's, etc. because your "heart" and desire to destroy the completion will help you train yourself to win, run 6 minute miles, etc. Put Bob Hannah's heart in a C Class rider today and he'll be the next champ.

If you keep reading in that interview that's why he said if he would've done anything differently was to "back it down". Win by 2 seconds, not 40. But he couldn't help himself, he wanted to destroy the the comp. He'll say the same thing about RC...because he knows RC had heart.



RV has shown plenty of heart, killer instinct, courage, etc....
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Robgvx 11/9/2015 12:38pm
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Uncle Tony wrote:
Wow this whole thread boggles my mind, wasn't there a thread about Johnny O'Mara not being equal with other great riders of his era? These youngsters...
Wow this whole thread boggles my mind, wasn't there a thread about Johnny O'Mara not being equal with other great riders of his era? These youngsters know nothing about the history of this sport, it's very sad when some trail rider says that Hannah is irrelevant, riders from the 70's and 80's are some of the toughest racers EVER in this sport period!!! Even compared to today's riders, not knowing that just proves you don't know shit about motocross
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+1
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Aceofspades 11/9/2015 12:40pm
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Broc? He sounds slow like a C rider.... [img]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/21/76/c2/2176c24e37938f79ed316fba18a70912.jpg[/img]
Broc? He sounds slow like a C rider....

What shitty speed lol. He'd be toast if he went that "slow" today Smile
Aceofspades 11/9/2015 12:43pm
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Some facts. Hannah used to run 6 minute miles for 10 miles. He raced a non-powervalve works 250 twostroke with 6 inches of suspension on unprepped...
Some facts.

Hannah used to run 6 minute miles for 10 miles. He raced a non-powervalve works 250 twostroke with 6 inches of suspension on unprepped tracks for 45 minute motos.

And 22 year old know-nothings who only know this sport from Carmichael's retirement to the present want to shit all over him and his opinion.
Amen brother! 14 inches of travel on a perfectly groomed track for 30 minutes is wayyyyy tougher than 45 minutes on shitty 43mm forks on a track that looks like the moon lol. The new guys are tough, and the old guys were as well. Most of the old guys on vital realize the new riders are badass, but hardly any of the young guys on vital seem to think the old riders were any good. The "corner speed" was slower back then because the tracks were different - not because the riders couldn't carry speed.
scott_nz 11/9/2015 12:49pm
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Uncle Tony wrote:
Wow this whole thread boggles my mind, wasn't there a thread about Johnny O'Mara not being equal with other great riders of his era? These youngsters...
Wow this whole thread boggles my mind, wasn't there a thread about Johnny O'Mara not being equal with other great riders of his era? These youngsters know nothing about the history of this sport, it's very sad when some trail rider says that Hannah is irrelevant, riders from the 70's and 80's are some of the toughest racers EVER in this sport period!!! Even compared to today's riders, not knowing that just proves you don't know shit about motocross
i don't think they are any less fit/hard/talented than current riders, but not miles better either, its hard to make any comparisons because everything is so different, from the bikes, to the tracks, to the mentality and publicity,

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dazzlindino 11/9/2015 1:08pm
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scott_nz wrote:
i don't think they are any less fit/hard/talented than current riders, but not miles better either, its hard to make any comparisons because everything is so...
i don't think they are any less fit/hard/talented than current riders, but not miles better either, its hard to make any comparisons because everything is so different, from the bikes, to the tracks, to the mentality and publicity,

..yes...the publicity...theres where the speed is....
dazzlindino 11/9/2015 1:11pm
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Who the fuck said that?
..jeffr0...how long is it, till a rider becomes irrelevant....
dazzlindino 11/9/2015 1:18pm
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...jeffr0...would Tomac be irrelevant...he hasn't raced lately...or had a "pay for" trainer...
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mark_swart 11/9/2015 1:23pm
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ROCKNDAWG wrote:
Im an old dude, some of you guys saying negative comments about Hannah never saw him ride. He was super unbelievably fast in his prime! Also...
Im an old dude, some of you guys saying negative comments about Hannah never saw him ride. He was super unbelievably fast in his prime! Also people who think the top riders didn't train back then are also completely wrong. Hannah, Bailey, O-show all those guys trained their backsides off. I used to do Triathlons and bikes races back then and the O-Show or Broc would show up and beat almost all the sport specific pros!
I"m with you. Not to take anything away from RC, but damn, Wardy, Bailey and O'Show were doing freaking triathlons but people talk about how RC "ruined it for everyone else" and changed the sport just by training hard? I get that Baker has a very scientific program. But I'm pretty sure the three I just mentioned had structure to their programs as well.

Speaking to Hannah's relevance... damn, he was still winning outdoors until what, 87 MXdN? On certain days, he still beat the best of that era.

Been riding my vintage '78 a lot lately. And when I watch old national races with guys riding those dinosaurs, I am amazed by how much groundspeed those guys were carrying, because believe me you feel things on the old bikes that you don't even notice on a modern one. It's the jumping and SX whoop techniques where the sport has evolved so much. Watch some old outdoor races (80s, 90s, etc) if you want a fair example. I remember watching RJ wheelie his 500 through fifth-gear roller whoops at Lake Sugartree, and it didn't look very different from what I just watched Tomac do at Daytona.

So sure, if you have the "fantasy matchup" where a 22-year old Hannah matches up against Dungey on a 450F on a supercross track, of course it's going to be a blowout. But if that fantasy matchup was at Southwick..maybe not so much of a blowout.

My main issue with Hannah's comments is he is essentially slandering RV, gotta be careful with stuff like that if you don't want to get sued...
dazzlindino 11/9/2015 1:26pm
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jeffro503 wrote:
Who the fuck said that?
...jeffr0....are you going to ask RC how it feels to be irrelevant in this weeks Q&A....
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Robgvx 11/9/2015 1:38pm
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Anyone remember when an essential part of motocross was being able to find the smoothest line rather than just blasting wherever you want on the track?
scott_nz 11/9/2015 1:44pm
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i don't think they are any less fit/hard/talented than current riders, but not miles better either, its hard to make any comparisons because everything is so...
i don't think they are any less fit/hard/talented than current riders, but not miles better either, its hard to make any comparisons because everything is so different, from the bikes, to the tracks, to the mentality and publicity,

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..yes...the publicity...theres where the speed is....
it plays a part in the whole picture in todays MX world, , would have Hannah put up with the expectations of Twitter, Instigram, facebook etc and the PR that everyone is expected to do?

its takes more than just heart and speed to make it today, as it did back then,
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newmann 11/9/2015 1:49pm
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scott_nz wrote:
i don't think they are any less fit/hard/talented than current riders, but not miles better either, its hard to make any comparisons because everything is so...
i don't think they are any less fit/hard/talented than current riders, but not miles better either, its hard to make any comparisons because everything is so different, from the bikes, to the tracks, to the mentality and publicity,

dazzlindino wrote:
..yes...the publicity...theres where the speed is....
scott_nz wrote:
it plays a part in the whole picture in todays MX world, , would have Hannah put up with the expectations of Twitter, Instigram, facebook etc...
it plays a part in the whole picture in todays MX world, , would have Hannah put up with the expectations of Twitter, Instigram, facebook etc and the PR that everyone is expected to do?

its takes more than just heart and speed to make it today, as it did back then,
Twitter, Instagram and Facebook


dazzlindino 11/9/2015 1:55pm
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it plays a part in the whole picture in todays MX world, , would have Hannah put up with the expectations of Twitter, Instigram, facebook etc...
it plays a part in the whole picture in todays MX world, , would have Hannah put up with the expectations of Twitter, Instigram, facebook etc and the PR that everyone is expected to do?

its takes more than just heart and speed to make it today, as it did back then,
...omg...and mobile phones....yep...they couldn't have even crawled out of the box vans....
....but city kids can deal wit it holmes....and race c class....and be like fasterer n stuff....
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ATKpilot99 11/9/2015 2:01pm
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Amen brother! 14 inches of travel on a perfectly groomed track for 30 minutes is wayyyyy tougher than 45 minutes on shitty 43mm forks on a...
Amen brother! 14 inches of travel on a perfectly groomed track for 30 minutes is wayyyyy tougher than 45 minutes on shitty 43mm forks on a track that looks like the moon lol. The new guys are tough, and the old guys were as well. Most of the old guys on vital realize the new riders are badass, but hardly any of the young guys on vital seem to think the old riders were any good. The "corner speed" was slower back then because the tracks were different - not because the riders couldn't carry speed.
Absolutely. This thread prompted me to break out an old vhs tape I have of the 87 Mt. Morris National. The dirt was very light colored dry hard pack. There wasn't a rut to use as a berm in every corner. And I'm not trying to minimize what the riders do today , it's just how the sport has changed.

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