Reed Says He's Done If He Can't Run His Camera

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logan_140 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/05/31/93187/s1200_image.jpg[/img]


I thought Gibby shot this Pic... Chad must be a Vital fan & reads Bit Pics...
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Ronnie Mac may have a 30 pound side helmet camera from the old Carlsbad USGP days Reed could use! That would get them all nose deep into the rule book.
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Jt$ wrote:
This place is funny.
C'mon JT.... spill it. We all know you guys are tight, so let's hear the actual story from his side and not the BS that gets thrown around here.
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Crossup 5/31/2015 7:21pm
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DC wrote:
The GoPro contract is with NBC/AlliSports, not MX Sports. They use the revenue to produce the TV shows, just like in supercross. GoPro basically invented the...
The GoPro contract is with NBC/AlliSports, not MX Sports. They use the revenue to produce the TV shows, just like in supercross. GoPro basically invented the space -- personal action cam -- and they have had an exclusive deal for on-track use for several years (and that's not anti-trust, desktop lawyers). The first I personally heard of Chad's situation was on Friday afternoon when he texted me. I hope we can work this out to keep him in the series.

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Seems to me that it is restraint of trade to enter into a contract that blocks independent contractors (riders) from being able to contract their own cameras for income, especially if they are not being compensated in the deal by the promoter or GoPro. Because, that is what the deal does. It forces riders to either wear GoPro, with no income, or wear nothing, with no income.

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KlootZak 5/31/2015 7:34pm
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Spat24 wrote:
Don't fool yourselves. This is a calculated decision by 360Fly and Chad. Gorilla marketing at its best. If Chad was allowed to use it - there...
Don't fool yourselves. This is a calculated decision by 360Fly and Chad. Gorilla marketing at its best. If Chad was allowed to use it - there would be no noise. They understood the GoPro contract and planned to fight it. This has given 360fly more exposure. How many of you checked out there website already. $500K is cheap for all the hits they are getting now.

Of course this is just my opinion.
davistld01 wrote:
Probably nail on the head, Spat.
Keep dreaming my friends. How many people know about the Chad vs AMA deal about the camera? Nobody who watched the show as it wasn't mentioned. Only the people who are on these forums and people who follow / listen to pulpmx. At best only 1000 people really know it's about the 360 fly camera (as the name is not mentioned in the interview). 1000 people who watch their website for $500.000 (assuming everybody went to their website)? $500/ person for a hit on their website?
douglasredding 5/31/2015 7:35pm
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DC wrote:
The GoPro contract is with NBC/AlliSports, not MX Sports. They use the revenue to produce the TV shows, just like in supercross. GoPro basically invented the...
The GoPro contract is with NBC/AlliSports, not MX Sports. They use the revenue to produce the TV shows, just like in supercross. GoPro basically invented the space -- personal action cam -- and they have had an exclusive deal for on-track use for several years (and that's not anti-trust, desktop lawyers). The first I personally heard of Chad's situation was on Friday afternoon when he texted me. I hope we can work this out to keep him in the series.

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Crossup wrote:
Seems to me that it is restraint of trade to enter into a contract that blocks independent contractors (riders) from being able to contract their own...
Seems to me that it is restraint of trade to enter into a contract that blocks independent contractors (riders) from being able to contract their own cameras for income, especially if they are not being compensated in the deal by the promoter or GoPro. Because, that is what the deal does. It forces riders to either wear GoPro, with no income, or wear nothing, with no income.
Yea, GoPro did not invent the action cam space. They did monopolize it though.

I have no problem with NBC's contract with GoPro. It's a business deal, and i'm sure us fans are benefiting from the great broadcasting because of it.

Chad and 360fly is being pretty unprofessional by trying to rally the simple-minded "troops" regarding a huge oversight on their behalf. ...and it will probably work. smh

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DC wrote:
The GoPro contract is with NBC/AlliSports, not MX Sports. They use the revenue to produce the TV shows, just like in supercross. GoPro basically invented the...
The GoPro contract is with NBC/AlliSports, not MX Sports. They use the revenue to produce the TV shows, just like in supercross. GoPro basically invented the space -- personal action cam -- and they have had an exclusive deal for on-track use for several years (and that's not anti-trust, desktop lawyers). The first I personally heard of Chad's situation was on Friday afternoon when he texted me. I hope we can work this out to keep him in the series.

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KlootZak wrote:
Can't they find a way around the small letters of the contract? For example putting the camera on the bike instead of the helmet (or something...
Can't they find a way around the small letters of the contract? For example putting the camera on the bike instead of the helmet (or something else)?
No dog in this fight, but who's to say that Fly 360 or more importantly their legal team, hasn't invented a new space? Go Pro created "personal action cam" well, fly360 has created 360 degree cam. Since GoPro doesn't offer product in that category, maybe Fly thinks they're good. My opinion, if Go Pro has a contract fine, as long as other riders aren't producing and offering their race footage, then nothing to see here...... everyone move along. Like DC says, hopefully it works out.
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86honda 5/31/2015 7:51pm
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he isn't getting any air time anyway, Chad Who? zackly!
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I had never heard of this camera before I heard about this in Lakewood.. Chad's brilliant!!
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Chadillac661 wrote:
That's actually a pretty solid idea IMO
ML512 wrote:
I like to put a bit of time into my fixes and not just suggest burning certain people at the stake. :laugh: I believe the GoPro...
I like to put a bit of time into my fixes and not just suggest burning certain people at the stake. Laughing

I believe the GoPro contract with Outdoors is up this year, so maybe there could be some wiggle room on the terms. I'm not sure about Supercross though.
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I actually thought that was the case, that they just couldn't run them in the event or show footage... Its actually pretty fucking dopey but not...
I actually thought that was the case, that they just couldn't run them in the event or show footage...

Its actually pretty fucking dopey but not inconsistent when you look at the vendoring rules in SX etc.
Is vendoring a word?
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It is in business for operations management...
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newmann 5/31/2015 8:55pm
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Chad's helmet cam for next weekend.



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kevin204 5/31/2015 9:09pm
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DanDunes818 wrote:
I had never heard of this camera before I heard about this in Lakewood.. Chad's brilliant!!
This is exactly the point.
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OR Racer46 5/31/2015 9:13pm
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Liquid image makes a cam
For the helmet and they also
Have one that is made into
The goggles . They even had a booth at hangtown .
neverwasfastenuf 5/31/2015 9:15pm
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ML512 wrote:
I like to put a bit of time into my fixes and not just suggest burning certain people at the stake. :laugh: I believe the GoPro...
I like to put a bit of time into my fixes and not just suggest burning certain people at the stake. Laughing

I believe the GoPro contract with Outdoors is up this year, so maybe there could be some wiggle room on the terms. I'm not sure about Supercross though.
Crush wrote:
I actually thought that was the case, that they just couldn't run them in the event or show footage... Its actually pretty fucking dopey but not...
I actually thought that was the case, that they just couldn't run them in the event or show footage...

Its actually pretty fucking dopey but not inconsistent when you look at the vendoring rules in SX etc.
GuyB wrote:
Is vendoring a word?
If you read it on VitalMX it has to be, right?

Smile

Several of my buddies collect and restore those old vendoring machines!
neverwasfastenuf 5/31/2015 9:20pm
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Chad's helmet cam for next weekend. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/05/31/93200/s1200_15492586_30586_large.jpg[/img]
Chad's helmet cam for next weekend.



Not complete without the NO RULES logo though.
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c_dub 5/31/2015 9:26pm
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Some of you guys are quite thick. It doesn't matter if you think the contract is good, bad, or if you're indifferent to it all. I don't necessarily like it myself but none of that matters, a contract is a contract (so long as the four elements of a valid contract are met). And just as much blame (if you're looking for someone/thing to blame), if not more, belongs with NBC/Allisports for accepting GoPro's offer.

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bobojim 5/31/2015 9:27pm
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CalRMX wrote:
Reeds insulting his main sponsor Discount tires, he's willing to walk away because of a dispute with a new sponsor, that's going to shaft his main...
Reeds insulting his main sponsor Discount tires, he's willing to walk away because of a dispute with a new sponsor, that's going to shaft his main sponsor Discount tires. Priceless
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Seriously - No. Although it might seem like this. And it might seem like Chad is acting like a self focused kid. But No. Chad is...
Seriously - No. Although it might seem like this. And it might seem like Chad is acting like a self focused kid. But No.

Chad is a great rider and just as good a business man. And this is all about business, and publicity. Like "Spat24" said, Chad is just generating publicity and awareness for his sponsor. If he chooses to miss a race, that will only generate more publicity.... I can just see the headline and the stories.... "Discount Tire 22 Rider Chad Reed pulls out of Lucas Oil National MX over 360 Camera rights...."
Did they know about this before signing? Who knows. Does it matter? Probably not.

But bottom line is, he has brought a new sponsor to the sport, the sport now needs to re-think its contract with Gopro next time around ( the issue has been cracked open creating leverage and pressure for a different/better deal next time), riders will be better off (more likely anyway) and his sponsors win.
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Let me get this straight, GoPro has a massive contract and the sport has to re-think its contract with GoPro because Chad threatens not to race...
Let me get this straight, GoPro has a massive contract and the sport has to re-think its contract with GoPro because Chad threatens not to race because of his contract with 360??? Can you think of anything crazier?
Not what I am saying. I am assuming that whatever the contact terms are they will be followed until the contact ends. But when the contract is next negotiated, the sport will be in a stronger position to either get a better offer from Gopro, remove exclusivity, or go with someone else. And Chad will have helped set this up either directly or indirectly.

So It's not just about Chad racing a race or not. It's about pressure for more money for the sports organiser through commercial tension. Or It's about riders getting access to sponsorship money from other camera companies. Much bigger than Chad riding a few races.

For what it is worth, the rumour is that the contact is not that "massive". It's likely that back in the day, when Gopro was basically the only option, AlliSports either took their deal or didn't get anything. I don't have a problem with that either. It's what they did.

You seem to think that this is a personal attack on the sport or organisation by Chad. It's just business. If you think about it, AlliSport sell publicity. Who knows how much Gopro paid for that publicity. But the value of AlliSports publicity is going up. Sure Gopro won't like this. But they are big kids. They know they have to pay more to get more. Like I said, it's business.
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Seamorbutts 5/31/2015 9:39pm
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Jt$ wrote:
This place is funny.
No, your buddy is a big ass shit stirrer, and a whiner that has a nac for causing controversy. I think most people on here (like myself) are sick and tired of his shit, he's a dumb ass. You know out of all the people, Chad would be the only one to do something like this. You know he had to know about the freakin contract. I hope you're not as controversial as Chad is when no ones looking.
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c_dub 5/31/2015 9:42pm
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Well said BoboJim. When the ink dried on this contract I don't believe there were any other viable competitors to GoPro, let alone any in a financial situation to get a seat at the table. It is what it is (I can't believe I just used that term). But I doubt they get exclusive rights next time unless they pony up a lot more the next go round.

As others have already stated, this is just more brilliance on Chad's part. This cat is no spring chicken. He's not had the financial success he's had because he's a dumb business man. Or by not surrounding himself with the right people.
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Jt$ wrote:
This place is funny.
Seamorbutts wrote:
No, your buddy is a big ass shit stirrer, and a whiner that has a nac for causing controversy. I think most people on here (like...
No, your buddy is a big ass shit stirrer, and a whiner that has a nac for causing controversy. I think most people on here (like myself) are sick and tired of his shit, he's a dumb ass. You know out of all the people, Chad would be the only one to do something like this. You know he had to know about the freakin contract. I hope you're not as controversial as Chad is when no ones looking.
Not that I know your personal views on either matter but I do think it's funny that ignorance in James' case was good enough for many and yet not relating to this–Just goes to show people can't shake personal opinions from situational analysis.

My question would be–I assume this deal was shopped through WMG, aren't they tied to RCH/H&H? Didn't they go through this a year or so ago, Watson was talking about that at some point.... seems odd? Maybe that being odd points too it as a deliberate move to shake shit up, which in his and everyone else's case may be of personal benefit. I don't think GoPro is paying the riders directly, if they are, they're not paying all of them.
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Jt$ wrote:
This place is funny.
Seamorbutts wrote:
No, your buddy is a big ass shit stirrer, and a whiner that has a nac for causing controversy. I think most people on here (like...
No, your buddy is a big ass shit stirrer, and a whiner that has a nac for causing controversy. I think most people on here (like myself) are sick and tired of his shit, he's a dumb ass. You know out of all the people, Chad would be the only one to do something like this. You know he had to know about the freakin contract. I hope you're not as controversial as Chad is when no ones looking.
Sir, can I see you membership card, your JT fan club card. If you don't have a JT fan card, a CR22 club card will do. Agree, 22 is a dumb ass, I'd hate to be a dumb ass like him.
scott_nz 5/31/2015 10:22pm
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is there any photos of Chads bike from the weekend, has the Me logo been replaced with a fly360 logo?
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scott_nz wrote:
is there any photos of Chads bike from the weekend, has the Me logo been replaced with a fly360 logo?
Nope... Believe he said in the interview he couldn't run the signage for them either...

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kiwifan 5/31/2015 10:27pm
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bobojim wrote:
Seriously - No. Although it might seem like this. And it might seem like Chad is acting like a self focused kid. But No. Chad is...
Seriously - No. Although it might seem like this. And it might seem like Chad is acting like a self focused kid. But No.

Chad is a great rider and just as good a business man. And this is all about business, and publicity. Like "Spat24" said, Chad is just generating publicity and awareness for his sponsor. If he chooses to miss a race, that will only generate more publicity.... I can just see the headline and the stories.... "Discount Tire 22 Rider Chad Reed pulls out of Lucas Oil National MX over 360 Camera rights...."
Did they know about this before signing? Who knows. Does it matter? Probably not.

But bottom line is, he has brought a new sponsor to the sport, the sport now needs to re-think its contract with Gopro next time around ( the issue has been cracked open creating leverage and pressure for a different/better deal next time), riders will be better off (more likely anyway) and his sponsors win.
kiwifan wrote:
Let me get this straight, GoPro has a massive contract and the sport has to re-think its contract with GoPro because Chad threatens not to race...
Let me get this straight, GoPro has a massive contract and the sport has to re-think its contract with GoPro because Chad threatens not to race because of his contract with 360??? Can you think of anything crazier?
bobojim wrote:
Not what I am saying. I am assuming that whatever the contact terms are they will be followed until the contact ends. But when the contract...
Not what I am saying. I am assuming that whatever the contact terms are they will be followed until the contact ends. But when the contract is next negotiated, the sport will be in a stronger position to either get a better offer from Gopro, remove exclusivity, or go with someone else. And Chad will have helped set this up either directly or indirectly.

So It's not just about Chad racing a race or not. It's about pressure for more money for the sports organiser through commercial tension. Or It's about riders getting access to sponsorship money from other camera companies. Much bigger than Chad riding a few races.

For what it is worth, the rumour is that the contact is not that "massive". It's likely that back in the day, when Gopro was basically the only option, AlliSports either took their deal or didn't get anything. I don't have a problem with that either. It's what they did.

You seem to think that this is a personal attack on the sport or organisation by Chad. It's just business. If you think about it, AlliSport sell publicity. Who knows how much Gopro paid for that publicity. But the value of AlliSports publicity is going up. Sure Gopro won't like this. But they are big kids. They know they have to pay more to get more. Like I said, it's business.
Pretty hard not to take it as a personal attack on MXSports when he says on Instagram to make your feelings known to MXSports....plus any racer who threatens not to race because of a commercial deal that rider has (despite the said deal not meeting current rules) seems damn lame to me and obviously to a lot of others here.

But as I said in an earlier post hey he got the publicity, but maybe alienated others at the same time?
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Madmax31 5/31/2015 11:07pm
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I think it's BS that they can dictate what camera is used, and screw gopro. I'll never buy one. What's next JT going to be the only gear riders allowed to wear. Communist #!@*©ers.
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kongols 5/31/2015 11:09pm
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Madmax31 wrote:
I think it's BS that they can dictate what camera is used, and screw gopro. I'll never buy one. What's next JT going to be the...
I think it's BS that they can dictate what camera is used, and screw gopro. I'll never buy one. What's next JT going to be the only gear riders allowed to wear. Communist #!@*©ers.
Actually that`s capitalism. That`s you who thinks like communist.
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Madmax31 wrote:
I think it's BS that they can dictate what camera is used, and screw gopro. I'll never buy one. What's next JT going to be the...
I think it's BS that they can dictate what camera is used, and screw gopro. I'll never buy one. What's next JT going to be the only gear riders allowed to wear. Communist #!@*©ers.
What don't you understand about contracts? There are four elements to a valid contract. The interwebs are replete with this knowledge if you care to take a gander regarding such. And why is everyone focusing merely on GoPro? NBC/Alli "accepted" the "offer" (hint, there's two of the elements right there Wink ) put forth by GoPro.....

Valid contracts are anything but communist by the way (beat me to it Kongols Wink ).
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Jt$ wrote:
This place is funny.
Seamorbutts wrote:
No, your buddy is a big ass shit stirrer, and a whiner that has a nac for causing controversy. I think most people on here (like...
No, your buddy is a big ass shit stirrer, and a whiner that has a nac for causing controversy. I think most people on here (like myself) are sick and tired of his shit, he's a dumb ass. You know out of all the people, Chad would be the only one to do something like this. You know he had to know about the freakin contract. I hope you're not as controversial as Chad is when no ones looking.
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Sir, can I see you membership card, your JT fan club card. If you don't have a JT fan card, a CR22 club card will do...
Sir, can I see you membership card, your JT fan club card. If you don't have a JT fan card, a CR22 club card will do. Agree, 22 is a dumb ass, I'd hate to be a dumb ass like him.

No need to insult anyone please, it is just a business negotiation.

It is only a push attempt and the mediatization from a businessman, a team owner, of a team that finished in front of the official Kawi team. Reed is one the smartest in business and he is showing he wants an exception or an evolution of the camera contract in the future.

Rules are rules, I would fully understand if he is not allowed to wear it under the current ones. To fine him 5k (or even 10) per race like Jordan is actually not a bad idea, that would make 45k (or 90) this year, that would make money for charity, organizers, etc (or GoPro), if it is possible, because I am sure the GoPro contract is really well-written.

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