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Sargent Rock 5/30/2015 9:27pm
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Having had a separated shoulder last summer racing mx, many mountain bikers get them by crashing and putting there arm out in front of them when they crash. They vary in degree of separation, some guys can't lift a shopping bag over their head for months, other guys can be back on the bike in two or three weeks. Myself, I wasn't at full steam for 2 months.

Eli is awesome, but this might have him down for a while.
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GuyB wrote:
From a GEICO Honda PR... "Eli is receiving further evaluation following a dislocated shoulder in the second moto," GEICO Honda team co-owner Jeff Majkrzak said. "The...
From a GEICO Honda PR...

"Eli is receiving further evaluation following a dislocated shoulder in the second moto," GEICO Honda team co-owner Jeff Majkrzak said. "The Asterisk medical team was able to put his shoulder back in place at the track, and Eli is otherwise just fine. We hope to have him back next week."
That sounds promising.
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Jeff alessi wrote:
I figured they would know a dislocated shoulder is not a separation. If he has a separated shoulder that means he's done. If it's a popped...
I figured they would know a dislocated shoulder is not a separation. If he has a separated shoulder that means he's done. If it's a popped out shoulder only then he will be fine. I've popped mine out in a heat race and had bodnar pop it in and raced the lcq with almost no pain..
Stoop wrote:
Maybe Bodner should have popped Kevin Love's shoulder in
lol,cavs in 6 over gs.
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Sargent Rock wrote:
Having had a separated shoulder last summer racing mx, many mountain bikers get them by crashing and putting there arm out in front of them when...
Having had a separated shoulder last summer racing mx, many mountain bikers get them by crashing and putting there arm out in front of them when they crash. They vary in degree of separation, some guys can't lift a shopping bag over their head for months, other guys can be back on the bike in two or three weeks. Myself, I wasn't at full steam for 2 months.

Eli is awesome, but this might have him down for a while.
I've never dislocated but I did take a digger earlier this spring and ended up with a separation, though I don't know the degree. It took about 2 weeks before I could lift my hand above my head and there was no way I could ride until week 3.

Ever since it healed it's actually felt better than it has in the last 10 yrs.

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mark_swart 5/30/2015 9:43pm
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Man I hated to see that. Hated it.

I've popped mine out a number of times - after a week of rest it is usually rideable/raceable for me, but then again I'm slow and not doing two 30+2 motos on rough ass tracks.

Hoping for a fast recovery for him. It can't end like this.
Track and Trail 5/30/2015 9:48pm
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I hope he's back soon. He's been amazing to watch this season.
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Jeff alessi wrote:
I figured they would know a dislocated shoulder is not a separation. If he has a separated shoulder that means he's done. If it's a popped...
I figured they would know a dislocated shoulder is not a separation. If he has a separated shoulder that means he's done. If it's a popped out shoulder only then he will be fine. I've popped mine out in a heat race and had bodnar pop it in and raced the lcq with almost no pain..
Not to jack this thread but it was so sick watching you rip up Briarcliff MX last weekend at the LLQ pretty cool to see a national rider race a local track I ride at pretty frequently! Would've been really cool to see you race the Open A class...lap times were pretty similar and you still had a lot left in the tank! Very cool! Good luck!
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JLO42 5/30/2015 10:36pm
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If you watch closely as he walked off the track his boot was undone
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A separated shoulder can be real bad. I did that to mine just over a year ago. Didnt have the strength to lift my arm for weeks and its still not 100%
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Chadillac661 5/30/2015 10:59pm
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GuyB wrote:
From a GEICO Honda PR... "Eli is receiving further evaluation following a dislocated shoulder in the second moto," GEICO Honda team co-owner Jeff Majkrzak said. "The...
From a GEICO Honda PR...

"Eli is receiving further evaluation following a dislocated shoulder in the second moto," GEICO Honda team co-owner Jeff Majkrzak said. "The Asterisk medical team was able to put his shoulder back in place at the track, and Eli is otherwise just fine. We hope to have him back next week."
Best news I've heard all week. I would love to see Eli make a run at this title
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Are we sure that this post shouldn't be deleted?
No kidding..sheesh
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FoxPlatinum_12 wrote:
I thought he'd definitely done his leg in at first the way his left leg seemed to give way as he walked off the track. Either...
I thought he'd definitely done his leg in at first the way his left leg seemed to give way as he walked off the track. Either that or his boot was undone. Seriously hope the shoulder is the only injury and it's not too bad.
His boot was knocked nearly all the way off during the crash, making him walk funny as he walked off the track. They then removed the boot, i have no idea if it was just because it was damn near off anyways, or if it was because his leg was injured. Either way, i've had plenty of bad crashes in my day, but never one that made a boot come off.
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FoxPlatinum_12 wrote:
I thought he'd definitely done his leg in at first the way his left leg seemed to give way as he walked off the track. Either...
I thought he'd definitely done his leg in at first the way his left leg seemed to give way as he walked off the track. Either that or his boot was undone. Seriously hope the shoulder is the only injury and it's not too bad.
gt80rider wrote:
His boot was knocked nearly all the way off during the crash, making him walk funny as he walked off the track. They then removed the...
His boot was knocked nearly all the way off during the crash, making him walk funny as he walked off the track. They then removed the boot, i have no idea if it was just because it was damn near off anyways, or if it was because his leg was injured. Either way, i've had plenty of bad crashes in my day, but never one that made a boot come off.
I rewound that part of him walking off the track a couple times and it scared me a bit. Thought he broke his ankle because his foot was at a 45 degree angle while he was walking off the track. Thank god it was just a boot malfunction! Heal up soon Eli !
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Oh Billy 5/30/2015 11:25pm
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A separated shoulder does not pop back in....if it popped back in then it was a dislocated shoulder , not a separated shoulder to different injuries.
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Mit12 5/30/2015 11:35pm
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Well Tomac has not changed his spots. One bad race so far and guess who is there to pick up the points lead..... Dungey. Why does Tomac think he needs to win all the motos by huge margines?? What was a 25plus point lead turns into a -3 point deficit. Turn out the lights the Tomac party is over.
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jeffro503 5/30/2015 11:36pm
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Mit12 wrote:
Well Tomac has not changed his spots. One bad race so far and guess who is there to pick up the points lead..... Dungey. Why does...
Well Tomac has not changed his spots. One bad race so far and guess who is there to pick up the points lead..... Dungey. Why does Tomac think he needs to win all the motos by huge margines?? What was a 25plus point lead turns into a -3 point deficit. Turn out the lights the Tomac party is over.
Haha. Yeah ok bud!
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Surly100 5/31/2015 12:37am
5/31/2015 12:37am Edited Date/Time 5/31/2015 12:55am
I've dislocated mine 6 or 7 times over the last 8 years - first caused by falling off a trials bike when I was a teenager. It's agonizing when the shoulder is out, but as soon as it's popped back in, you're literally fine.

Once it's been out though, the worry is that - like with mine - it becomes weakened, and happens over again. I've dislocated mine by rolling over in bed, for example - nevermind by flying off a motocross bike at 30 MPH. So you then start to become conscious of that and protect the arm by not using it as much, which isn't really conducive to elite sporting performance.

I had surgery on mine, and while the number of dislocations has reduced, it didn't fix it completely.

A real shame for Tomac though, if it does become a persistent problem for him. Because when you're beating the likes of Dungey and Roczen by 20 seconds every moto, then you have a legit claim to be the fastest guy in the world.
scott_nz 5/31/2015 12:55am
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Surly100 wrote:
I've dislocated mine 6 or 7 times over the last 8 years - first caused by falling off a trials bike when I was a teenager...
I've dislocated mine 6 or 7 times over the last 8 years - first caused by falling off a trials bike when I was a teenager. It's agonizing when the shoulder is out, but as soon as it's popped back in, you're literally fine.

Once it's been out though, the worry is that - like with mine - it becomes weakened, and happens over again. I've dislocated mine by rolling over in bed, for example - nevermind by flying off a motocross bike at 30 MPH. So you then start to become conscious of that and protect the arm by not using it as much, which isn't really conducive to elite sporting performance.

I had surgery on mine, and while the number of dislocations has reduced, it didn't fix it completely.

A real shame for Tomac though, if it does become a persistent problem for him. Because when you're beating the likes of Dungey and Roczen by 20 seconds every moto, then you have a legit claim to be the fastest guy in the world.
i had about 20 dislocations over 4 years, and 2 operations, i wrecked the first repair wakeboarding, but have not had any issues after the second major surgery (first was keyhole surgery) , my sister has had both shoulders operated on and still has some issues with dislocations,

i would roll over in bed and pop it out, and i could not get it back in with out medical help, I did it first trail riding,

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FoxPlatinum_12 wrote:
I thought he'd definitely done his leg in at first the way his left leg seemed to give way as he walked off the track. Either...
I thought he'd definitely done his leg in at first the way his left leg seemed to give way as he walked off the track. Either that or his boot was undone. Seriously hope the shoulder is the only injury and it's not too bad.
gt80rider wrote:
His boot was knocked nearly all the way off during the crash, making him walk funny as he walked off the track. They then removed the...
His boot was knocked nearly all the way off during the crash, making him walk funny as he walked off the track. They then removed the boot, i have no idea if it was just because it was damn near off anyways, or if it was because his leg was injured. Either way, i've had plenty of bad crashes in my day, but never one that made a boot come off.
jeffro503 wrote:
I rewound that part of him walking off the track a couple times and it scared me a bit. Thought he broke his ankle because his...
I rewound that part of him walking off the track a couple times and it scared me a bit. Thought he broke his ankle because his foot was at a 45 degree angle while he was walking off the track. Thank god it was just a boot malfunction! Heal up soon Eli !
Same here! I watched it about 4 times and would have sworn something was wrong with his leg.
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PEPE001 5/31/2015 6:43am
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WVUpetro2013 wrote:
Same here! I watched it about 4 times and would have sworn something was wrong with his leg.
Looked to me he twisted the left knee and that hurts.
Even with a knee brace but if he is lucky nothing serious just pain.
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Mit12 wrote:
Well Tomac has not changed his spots. One bad race so far and guess who is there to pick up the points lead..... Dungey. Why does...
Well Tomac has not changed his spots. One bad race so far and guess who is there to pick up the points lead..... Dungey. Why does Tomac think he needs to win all the motos by huge margines?? What was a 25plus point lead turns into a -3 point deficit. Turn out the lights the Tomac party is over.
Hes young and has a lot of IMO undue pressure on him to be at the front. Glad the injures seam too be minor. All in all hes still in second and has plenty of racing to go, he was doing great so far with 5 in a row. It's racing crashing is part of it. All he needs to do is back it down a little an he'll be right back up top.
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Mit12 wrote:
Well Tomac has not changed his spots. One bad race so far and guess who is there to pick up the points lead..... Dungey. Why does...
Well Tomac has not changed his spots. One bad race so far and guess who is there to pick up the points lead..... Dungey. Why does Tomac think he needs to win all the motos by huge margines?? What was a 25plus point lead turns into a -3 point deficit. Turn out the lights the Tomac party is over.
Awesome post...thanks!
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Xracerdone 5/31/2015 6:58am
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Shoulders suck! I had rotator & a host of tendons repaired in 2011, then I dislocated again by crashing hard wakeboarding, retore everything & the shoulder would dislocate all the time, in my sleep, if I did pull ups, if I just reached overhead sometimes it would come out, came out diving off a diving board, came out working under my boat one day, got to the point where it didn't hurt at all when out & I could put it back in fairly easy. Had to have a bone graph in Nov to stop the dislocating & things are much better but some aspects of overhead strength are just not coming back very quick!
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turbotime 5/31/2015 7:24am
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I have a hard time believing he wasn't concussed in that crash. His head hit hard.

That can have a long recovery time, despite how his shoulder is feeling. We won't be seeing a 100% Tomac for a while yet. Question is, if he shows up, will it be enough?
ButteryWaffles 5/31/2015 7:32am
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All I think of is AC.. Lets hope it doesn't get to that point.
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mark911 5/31/2015 7:47am
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You'd think at the speeds the pros go that they'd wear more protective gear, particularly shoulder pads? Might have helped Eli with his crash.

I'm as guilty as any I guess, as I've got shoulder pads (heavy duty stuff), rib protectors and back protectors that usually just sit in the truck. Knee and neck braces are the only mainstay. Most of the unused stuff was an impulse buy following a particular injury and is dismissed after the memory of the injury is gone.

I rationalize it by telling myself that no amount of protection (shoulder) is going to prevent injury anyway. If the hit is hard enough to say dislocate (or in my case break the shoulder blade, twice), then it's going to happen no matter what.

What's your experience with shoulder pads? Would they have helped Eli?
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You'd think at the speeds the pros go that they'd wear more protective gear, particularly shoulder pads? Might have helped Eli with his crash. I'm as...
You'd think at the speeds the pros go that they'd wear more protective gear, particularly shoulder pads? Might have helped Eli with his crash.

I'm as guilty as any I guess, as I've got shoulder pads (heavy duty stuff), rib protectors and back protectors that usually just sit in the truck. Knee and neck braces are the only mainstay. Most of the unused stuff was an impulse buy following a particular injury and is dismissed after the memory of the injury is gone.

I rationalize it by telling myself that no amount of protection (shoulder) is going to prevent injury anyway. If the hit is hard enough to say dislocate (or in my case break the shoulder blade, twice), then it's going to happen no matter what.

What's your experience with shoulder pads? Would they have helped Eli?
The way he landed with his arms outstretched I doubt shoulder pads would have made a difference.
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willie838 5/31/2015 8:02am
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hope it holds together. Watching AC trying to ride through that was brutal his rookie year.
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FGR01 5/31/2015 8:40am
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KennyT wrote:
Even if he is back next week, that crash is going to bring him back to a normal human being pace. It will make for better...
Even if he is back next week, that crash is going to bring him back to a normal human being pace. It will make for better racing when he is done imitating Bubba
Didn't Tomacs wreck happen in almost the same spot Stewart had the photographer incident a few years ago that killed his seaaon. Bitter coincidence.
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Dissident 5/31/2015 8:45am
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Tomac is kind of like JS7 in a sense..trying to beat everyone by a mile to prove himself....dude should just follow dungey the whole race and drop the hammer at the end.

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