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Fodder for litigation and insurance companies.
There are those out there that think a big problem is the parent that buys/let's his minor child race or ride in the first place.
If a kid can't understand the consequences of a binding contract, or the danger of drinking too much alcohol, why
would a responsible parent want to risk his loved one in something as inherently dangerous as this pastime?
Does the op really believe he can make this a safe enough sport that the ramifications will be worth the return in what,
the thrill one gets by living vicariously thru another?
F1 and NA$CAR were brought up above. I don't see how you could compare a database of speculation although well intentioned with what happened there. Both of those organization made a real effort along with drivers, engineers, doctors to find out how to make the cars and tracks safer so that they didn't kill so many drivers. You can add that they don't put up with any BS. If they test a head and neck system and it works, they force everyone to wear it.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1c-2csJ6d8Ys_QDtL_y1qLIkvr9xByM9…
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Data gathering like this is a component of many a risk management program. I didn't read the questions though - I don't think they should go to the point of naming names so to speak.
But a cool idea would be for example: every lorretta lynns track on the qualifying schedule, should have a safety ranking and a track difficultly rating. Maybe like a 1-10 scale, based off of recorded crashes, track safety precautions, and track features.
The purpose of something like this should be to gather objective data for statistical analysis, not to have submitters draw their own conclusions up front. No doubt, the objective questions will be more boring and limited (individually), but how is it really possible to account for "Riding Over His/Her Head (Going too fast)" or "Lack of Concentration"?
I hope I'm wrong.......
Way too many variables in this support.
A helpful hints guide to safer tracks.....yeah maybe, but everyone's subjective opinions to actual incidents.
Have you ever run a motocross track and dealt with all the families?
Best post on this subject.
Well done sir.
I would say have each track owner across the country or world sign up for a database like this. AMA could sanction it and collect the data.
nothing good can come of it.
Good on the OP for going to the effort to do this. Kudos.
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Types of dirt or track conditions can vary on different sections of the same track. The human behavior question is very subjective to whoever is filling out the form. The types of failures can't necessarily be proven on every single crash because what happens if the wheel was demolished during the crash, but it was not part of the reason to cause the crash.
You need to focus on the facts. 2-stroke or 4-stroke is a fact (though there are many more riders of 4-strokes than 2-strokes now). Engine CC size is a fact. Colliding with an object is a yes or no fact. The track where the crash happened is a fact.
If you do this and you get a good amount of data (confirmed and not just made up), then you can use the facts to red flag something. Let's say you get 100 samples from tracks all over, but 20 of them are from Local Yokel Raceway. This means something is going on at that track and should be investigated further for safety issues.
Over jump a triple and crash and break your leg, you're own fault nothing else. Cross rut a jump and break your back, you're own fault. Fall over in a rutted corner and hurt your big toe etc etc. Its 99% of the time the riders fault, we could go on & on for ever about outside factors that caused it but in the end you are in control of the bike. The sport at a whole is dangerous and with that comes risks and responsibilities that are yours and yours only.
All these other reasons to me just seem to be looking for something or someone else to blame for your own lapse in concentration, mistake, riding above your ability, stupidity etc.
I think nothing good would come of this either
If a "db" or list is found and used, one side will try to use whatever information they find to support their position. The other will try to discredit their source, just as they do now.
Discrediting the relevance and/or accuracy of something found on the internet is usually child's play Just take a quick run thru this forum for evidence of that..
As far as the soundness of the data, there will likely be something reasonable men conclude even if the "data" isn't in a format that facilitates statistical analysis.
From where we are, even a little improvement is better than no improvement.
It might be a good idea to start off with a core sample, see if the results start to form a trend and then expand on it. One way to do this could be to analyse all crashes from Supercross 2015. There would be footage of most crashes and you could start from there. The tricky thing is your interpretation of crashes and what caused them. Was the Weimer / canard crash rider error or poor track design or whatever.
I don't think that it will be an easy task to create any credible data from amature ranks, purely by asking people to fill out a spreadsheet.
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