RC Road to SX Controversy

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1/13/2015 8:42am
JBlain619 wrote:
Mitchell Harrison did qualify. He sat out the night show because he doesn't want to take points away from the series regulars. He got his advancement...
Mitchell Harrison did qualify. He sat out the night show because he doesn't want to take points away from the series regulars. He got his advancement point and is on to Grand Rapids, then to CO. It's bullshit that these kids like Mitchell, Smith, Frye etc have to spend all this $$$ to get points that really dont mean anything in the grand scheme of things. Frye and Smith already have factory contracts to race the outdoors this year.
steveada wrote:
How much $$$ did they spend criss-crossing the country for 10 or 12 years as amateurs for nothing more than trophies and wall plaques? It is...
How much $$$ did they spend criss-crossing the country for 10 or 12 years as amateurs for nothing more than trophies and wall plaques? It is a minor inconvenience at most for these guys.
Kinda made my point for me don't you think!?! They've proven all they need to prove in all those years as amatuers. Enough so that they have contracts to race professionally for a factory team. Its nothing more than a way to make money.
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Darryl916 wrote:
No MIke McDade this year?
Qualified 9th, did not make main @ Cinn.
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Its a good idea in theory, SX tracks are gnarly and you don't want people turning up and getting hurt. You would think that if you have serious aspirations of turning pro and racing SX then you need to be making the night show in AX, but that's not easy, and the kids in the RCRSX need more track time than just 2 10 min practice sessions. Perhaps they could run it as a separate class
1/13/2015 12:56pm
When I first heard about the Road to...it sounded to me like the riders in the future were going to be forced to run through the arenacross program before stepping up to supercross. With Ricky's name attached to it, what occurred to me was that, here was a guy to was never forced to waste a year racing arenacross, with the potential of getting injured etc. etc. who just transitioned into the big show as we've all become accustomed to, who was now backing a program he would have hated when he was at that point in his life.

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Mr. Knobby wrote:
When I first heard about the Road to...it sounded to me like the riders in the future were going to be forced to run through the...
When I first heard about the Road to...it sounded to me like the riders in the future were going to be forced to run through the arenacross program before stepping up to supercross. With Ricky's name attached to it, what occurred to me was that, here was a guy to was never forced to waste a year racing arenacross, with the potential of getting injured etc. etc. who just transitioned into the big show as we've all become accustomed to, who was now backing a program he would have hated when he was at that point in his life.
A very valid point ... at what age can guys go to AX.... i know they upped the age limit for Pro licenses, but it strikes me that the days when a 16 year old like Lechien could come and blow the world up are long gone.
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1/13/2015 2:13pm Edited Date/Time 1/13/2015 2:13pm
Mr. Knobby wrote:
When I first heard about the Road to...it sounded to me like the riders in the future were going to be forced to run through the...
When I first heard about the Road to...it sounded to me like the riders in the future were going to be forced to run through the arenacross program before stepping up to supercross. With Ricky's name attached to it, what occurred to me was that, here was a guy to was never forced to waste a year racing arenacross, with the potential of getting injured etc. etc. who just transitioned into the big show as we've all become accustomed to, who was now backing a program he would have hated when he was at that point in his life.
philG wrote:
A very valid point ... at what age can guys go to AX.... i know they upped the age limit for Pro licenses, but it strikes...
A very valid point ... at what age can guys go to AX.... i know they upped the age limit for Pro licenses, but it strikes me that the days when a 16 year old like Lechien could come and blow the world up are long gone.
age limit is back to 16 as far as I know. I'm not sure how old Mitchell and Frye are but I'd bet they aren't over 17. it really does boil down to this is nothing more than a money grab and it takes a ton of travel money too. I'd bet my last dollar MrK is right, Ricky would be pissed if he had to go this route.
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500guy wrote:
I love the part where they didn't pay attention and missed their practice. it's not like it was a surprise. I love Professional racing, it weeds...
I love the part where they didn't pay attention and missed their practice. it's not like it was a surprise.

I love Professional racing, it weeds out all the bullshit, Get faster or find something else to do.
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1/13/2015 3:09pm
This seems ridiculous to me. This isn't an amateur national. Just because you spend x amount of dollars driving your kid to an Arenacross race doesn't mean you're entitled to anything more than practice time. Paying attention to the practice order helps a lot too.

One thing I do agree with though, if you're going to make this a "feeder" series, then guys need to get pointed out relatively soon. Otherwise the classes will get a little cramped with the combination of AX "regulars" and kids trying to move up into SX.
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1/13/2015 3:17pm
Just looked at the results: seems to me plenty of people figured things out.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong; but, the "Lites" class is the RCR2SX race and I'm not seeing a bunch of "old SC guys" in that class...

So...

Seems like we've got the usual Whinny Bitch Ass stuff goin' on here.

Shout out to Blose, Ames & Goerke in the AX class!
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1/13/2015 4:46pm
TeamGreen wrote:
Just looked at the results: seems to me plenty of people figured things out. Someone correct me if I'm wrong; but, the "Lites" class is the...
Just looked at the results: seems to me plenty of people figured things out.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong; but, the "Lites" class is the RCR2SX race and I'm not seeing a bunch of "old SC guys" in that class...

So...

Seems like we've got the usual Whinny Bitch Ass stuff goin' on here.

Shout out to Blose, Ames & Goerke in the AX class!
No, it is only the AX class that gets the R2SX points.

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TeamGreen wrote:
Just looked at the results: seems to me plenty of people figured things out. Someone correct me if I'm wrong; but, the "Lites" class is the...
Just looked at the results: seems to me plenty of people figured things out.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong; but, the "Lites" class is the RCR2SX race and I'm not seeing a bunch of "old SC guys" in that class...

So...

Seems like we've got the usual Whinny Bitch Ass stuff goin' on here.

Shout out to Blose, Ames & Goerke in the AX class!
neysbo wrote:
No, it is only the AX class that gets the R2SX points.

It was either one or both last year, 1 point for making the show. that's how Vicki Golden got in,,,,
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Having done pro am races its actually very close to the same as but you get more ride time. 40 rider gates at big pro ams with usually big purse pay outs brings many top riders who have there cards alreadyand only 20 places pay points. It's a good idea I know people who have earned sx cards this way in previous years before it was the only way. I think many think ax is easy so as soon as they advance to A they try and ride it. Its not easy and many are finding that out.
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amilky912 wrote:
Having done pro am races its actually very close to the same as but you get more ride time. 40 rider gates at big pro ams...
Having done pro am races its actually very close to the same as but you get more ride time. 40 rider gates at big pro ams with usually big purse pay outs brings many top riders who have there cards alreadyand only 20 places pay points. It's a good idea I know people who have earned sx cards this way in previous years before it was the only way. I think many think ax is easy so as soon as they advance to A they try and ride it. Its not easy and many are finding that out.
Your post made me think of something. In AX you actual get to figure the track out better than at a pro-am. At all the pro-ams I did I only ever got a 3-5 lap practice before my motos and that is on a full scale outdoor track, not a 4 lane Arenacross. Luckily, about half the tracks I raced at I had been to before, but the other half I had never seen.
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1/13/2015 8:31pm Edited Date/Time 1/13/2015 8:51pm
Jakes Dad wrote:
Buddy took his kid there, said in 3 practices he watched, out of the 12 riders on the track at least 5 never did the catapult...
Buddy took his kid there, said in 3 practices he watched, out of the 12 riders on the track at least 5 never did the catapult. Most of those 5 would throttle up like were going to do it and then chop it at the bottom. A few got landed on after the faster kids got impatient. 3 crashes with scenario ended in broken wrist, broken collarbone, and a broken femur.

IMHO 2nd practice on not doing the catapult black flag. Almost needs to be a feeder series TO THE feeder series.
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This is how I assumed it would be going (unfortunately). Just because "so n so" shows up, doesn't mean he SHOULD be there.
John Short is a friend and his account of the Cincinnati round was like this ^. He was randomly assigned his practice and it had a bunch of guys that belonged in a local C race. He said he and Frye both only hit the catapult twice in their 1st practice and 3-4 times the second practice. And the whoops are split laned and in each lane there would be yard sales or guys rolling every lap.

It's hard to "weed out the bullshit" like 500guy says, when the system is not allowing the cream to rise.

The difference between this and Pro-AMs is the number of events in a year. Pro-Ams are essentially regional events qualifying you for the nationals. The AX series is a national series qualifying you for another national series (SX).

- The travel is much farther than Pro-AMs to get to each round ($$$)
- Limited number of events mean twice as many people at each AX vs a Pro-AM. The talent disparity is twice as bad. This is dangerous. Especially on an AX track.

Besides the fact that there are twice as many pro-ams as Ax's, anyone who finishes top 40 in Open Pro Sport, or top 20 in 250A or 450A at Loretta's is handed their outdoor license.

The Ricky Carmichael Road is narrow, short and a traffic jam. (nailed it)

Edit: Carmichael is the GOAT. And I think it's great that he's still majorly involved in the sport in at least 3 big ways. I feel the same about JS7's spring national and DM18's spring race. It's cool to see these guys giving back. Just making the edit that this thread is not a bash on him or even Feld and the AMA for trying to evolve the sport.
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as long as you let riders SELF ADVANCE nothing is going to change, they can't win in a 30 rider C class event, yet they move up
because they CAN NOT get a 15.0 or higher RPV for advancement to the next class.
1/14/2015 1:52am
I haven't read through all the pages here, but maybe, Road to Supercross, should follow a similar pattern to the road to LL's and ultimately the pro outdoors, with Regional qualifiers, one big national and then supercross.
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TeamGreen wrote:
Just looked at the results: seems to me plenty of people figured things out. Someone correct me if I'm wrong; but, the "Lites" class is the...
Just looked at the results: seems to me plenty of people figured things out.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong; but, the "Lites" class is the RCR2SX race and I'm not seeing a bunch of "old SC guys" in that class...

So...

Seems like we've got the usual Whinny Bitch Ass stuff goin' on here.

Shout out to Blose, Ames & Goerke in the AX class!
neysbo wrote:
No, it is only the AX class that gets the R2SX points.

h&m_cycle wrote:
It was either one or both last year, 1 point for making the show. that's how Vicki Golden got in,,,,
5t did not copy and paste very good but this is from the Arenecross website so looks like only the Arenacross class and that is what a couple of my friends told me to that were in Cincy.

A rider must complete the Ricky Carmichael Road to Supercross to earn their 250SX
endorsement prior to racing Monster Energy AMA Supercross an FIM World Championship.

In order to earn a
250SX endorsement a rider must earn a minimum of 1 Road to
Supercross point per event
weekend
in a minimum of 3 different event
weekends
in the
Arenacross Class
in one competition season.

One
Road to Supercross point is earned by
each rider who qualifies
in the top 30 for the
Arenacross Class.
Alternate riders will not be considered for a Road to Supercross point
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and there you have it.

Ryan Surratt ‏@R_Surratt51 1h1 hour ago

Well I was 1 of 2 amateurs that got all 3 ax points, glad I'm done with it, and Ricky the only thing I learned from this was how to takeout
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Team Ideal wrote:
and there you have it. Ryan Surratt ‏@R_Surratt51 1h1 hour ago Well I was 1 of 2 amateurs that got all 3 ax points, glad I'm...
and there you have it.

Ryan Surratt ‏@R_Surratt51 1h1 hour ago

Well I was 1 of 2 amateurs that got all 3 ax points, glad I'm done with it, and Ricky the only thing I learned from this was how to takeout
That could be a handy skill once you hit the big time. It would be really cool if Bowers thanked RC for that very thing the next time he parks somebody!
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They made it way to easy to get your supercross license, anybody can make them selves an (A) class rider. self advance
say you got a 100 riders entered in an arenacross, 30 makes the field, then you don't even have to make the main. get your
1 point, do this 3 times & you get your supercross license. what a joke, you still can't race an outdoor national cause most of
them are not fast enough to get a good finish in the pro class @ Loretta or get 75 points in proams in 1 year.
I bet there are 50 year olds out there who could get a supercross license.

the odds of becoming an nfl player are above.
1/24/2015 11:45am
h&m_cycle wrote:
Football: 1.7% of college players play professionally, 0.08% of high school players do Streeter Lecka/Getty Images High school players: 1,108,441 College players: 67,887 Draftees: 255 Read...
Football: 1.7% of college players play professionally, 0.08% of high school players do

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High school players: 1,108,441

College players: 67,887

Draftees: 255



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/odds-college-athletes-become-professiona…
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They made it way to easy to get your supercross license, anybody can make them selves an (A) class rider. self advance
say you got a 100 riders entered in an arenacross, 30 makes the field, then you don't even have to make the main. get your
1 point, do this 3 times & you get your supercross license. what a joke, you still can't race an outdoor national cause most of
them are not fast enough to get a good finish in the pro class @ Loretta or get 75 points in proams in 1 year.
I bet there are 50 year olds out there who could get a supercross license.

the odds of becoming an nfl player are above.
So are you saying the road to Supercross is too easy?
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1/24/2015 11:56am Edited Date/Time 1/24/2015 11:58am
yeah, all you got to do is make 3 arenacross fields of 30, then you can dnf & go home. waste of time

vicki golden did it..... lets see get her get her outdoor pro license. never heard of anyone with a ZERO RPV in motocross & arenacross
till now, she didn't even get any RPV points in B class against the boys. YOUR SUPPOSED TO HAVE a 15.0 RPV to move
up to (A) class not a zero.

how much easier can they make it to be able to enter a supercross race?

don't even have to be fast enough to make an arenacross main.
1/24/2015 12:34pm
h&m_cycle wrote:
yeah, all you got to do is make 3 arenacross fields of 30, then you can dnf & go home. waste of time vicki golden did...
yeah, all you got to do is make 3 arenacross fields of 30, then you can dnf & go home. waste of time

vicki golden did it..... lets see get her get her outdoor pro license. never heard of anyone with a ZERO RPV in motocross & arenacross
till now, she didn't even get any RPV points in B class against the boys. YOUR SUPPOSED TO HAVE a 15.0 RPV to move
up to (A) class not a zero.

how much easier can they make it to be able to enter a supercross race?

don't even have to be fast enough to make an arenacross main.
Last year it was pretty easy because anyone who had an outdoor license was grandfathered in. Much tougher this year so far. The only two riders who got their 3 points so far have been Josh Cartwright and Ryan Surratt, two pretty solid riders.

Last year, even with it being easier, there were only 10 or so that got it.
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1/24/2015 12:56pm Edited Date/Time 1/24/2015 12:58pm
last year there were 12 (3) point wonders, the difference is josh cartwright & Surratt are fast. they would of got it anyways

they have not even run 3 arenacross yet this year, that is a requirement.

here's 12 (3) point wonders that got their license last year (supercross) no, none of them are fast enough to get it through the proams.

lee chavous, bodie colangelo, tyler custer, patrick delowery, vicki golden, zack gurley, josh hernaandez, ron lampi, michael lang,
travis smith, tanner stolz, & shawn yarbrough.

there is no ama record of shawn yarbrough EVER RACING A MOTOCROSS EVENT IN HIS LIFE. yet he has a supercross
license & he will be racing tonight in Oakland.

also zack gurley, I take it the rest listed above will be in east coast events.
1/24/2015 1:54pm
Just to correct the OP, Harrison did qualify in the Top 30 at both Cincinnati and Grand Rapids. The decision was made to not race the night shows, in the AX class, as the rules state you only have to qualify in the Top 30 (nothing is mentioned about actually having to race). No sense in getting hurt over something like this. Heck go look at Sayanei, took a pretty good digger at Grand Rapids.

So in theory you don't even have to race once in AX, just get one hot lap in during timed qualifying, at three events, and you're good to go.

Surratt also had a pretty funny Instagram post on this:

"@jcartwright51 and I were the first 2 amateurs to get all 3 of our #road2sx points! Feels good to have that all done and out of the way, pretty sure the only thing any of us learned from racing the @arenacross series is how to clean someone out and they don't care, and now we are suppose to be ready for supercross and if we ride like that you'll get black flagged and disqualified
1/24/2015 2:52pm
Yarborough got his license by finishing 6th in Open Pro Sport at the World AX finals. He was not very good in qualifying today.

The system is not perfect by any means, and is a work in progress. It isn't easy to weed out the ones who shouldn't be there yet not make it too burdensome for those who need to be there.



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1/24/2015 3:26pm Edited Date/Time 1/24/2015 3:28pm
imoto34 wrote:
Is RC not paying for that Road to Supercross thing?
h&m_cycle wrote:
HE IS getting PAID... & chubby is one of the ones who was always bitching about lappers. now someone is going to get landed on in...
HE IS getting PAID... & chubby is one of the ones who was always bitching about lappers. now someone is going to get landed on in C practice.
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these riders below are ALL elgible to race supercross in 2015, all earned 3 points in arenacross by MAKING the field. NOT THE MAIN. Not one...
these riders below are ALL elgible to race supercross in 2015, all earned 3 points in arenacross by MAKING the field. NOT THE MAIN. Not one of them got a point towards the championship of arenacross.
If they finish last in the arenacross LCQ 3 TIMES they became elgible to race against the big boys. most of these 12 riders have RACED the PRO/AM's to get their pro license that way for moto. I went through
their amateur records with the ama. they could not get the 75 points needed in one full year to race an ama outdoor national & become a pro. But they are eligible to race AMA supercross which I think is stupid & dangerous. some of these riders have not won a race @ the A,B,C, levels. in motocross or amateur arenacross yet they can help fill the supercross starting fields. also one of these 12 riders has no record of
ever racing motocross. just amateur supercross.
the 12 with 3 Ricky points

H. Lee Chavous
Bodie Colangelo
Tyler Custer
Patrick Delowery
Vicki Golden
Zach Gurley
Josh Hernandez
AAron Lampi
Michael Lang
Travis Smith
Tanner Stolz
Shawn Yarbrough

YOU CAN CHECK ANYBODY AMA RECORD BACK TO 2006 RIGHT HERE
http://results.americanmotorcyclist.com/Riders
You Left out Brien DeVillo and Brice Kippel, the very first 2 AX riders to earn their SX endorsement in 2013 and they made night shows in the 250SX class. Noren was there too by the way.

Also, Steve Bruhn (TFS) did an interview at the Tulsa round with RC talking about the RC R2SX. He was politically correct while the camera was rolling but after.....his first words were "if you can't ride this, you have no F'ing business on a SX track". That was the round my kid (DeVillo) and Klippell should have earned their license but didn't because they were not as fast as the other riders. Lee C earned his in the same series and qualified 41st at East Rutherford; Brien Qualified 30th something.

All three also spent a year (or more) riding the amatuer AX sunday events to get ready to the Friday/Saturday Pro events because none had a true arenacross track to practice on.

You can read about it here:
http://www.motonews.com/content.php?203-Brien-DeVillo-s-Road-to-Supercr…

The system IMO is NOT flawed at all, if anything....it makes it too easy. All you have to do is throw down a 20-22 second lap, 3 times and you have a license. The AX series is a good, and fun, series. Competition is stiff and Muye does a great job running it. Schedule used to not go to nearly as many places as it does now just relieve the travel burden for people trying to obtain their license. Look at the places on the map....the old schedules were MUCH more compacted in area.

I do get to voice my opinion because I lived it, experienced it, and came through the other side with my son and he EARNED his SX endorsement in the RC R2SX.

RC is right ....if you can't ride AX, you have no business in SX.

I see only two choices.....Get faster or get out. Flame on.
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1/24/2015 4:23pm Edited Date/Time 1/24/2015 4:26pm
h&m_cycle wrote:
HE IS getting PAID... & chubby is one of the ones who was always bitching about lappers. now someone is going to get landed on in...
HE IS getting PAID... & chubby is one of the ones who was always bitching about lappers. now someone is going to get landed on in C practice.
h&m_cycle wrote:
these riders below are ALL elgible to race supercross in 2015, all earned 3 points in arenacross by MAKING the field. NOT THE MAIN. Not one...
these riders below are ALL elgible to race supercross in 2015, all earned 3 points in arenacross by MAKING the field. NOT THE MAIN. Not one of them got a point towards the championship of arenacross.
If they finish last in the arenacross LCQ 3 TIMES they became elgible to race against the big boys. most of these 12 riders have RACED the PRO/AM's to get their pro license that way for moto. I went through
their amateur records with the ama. they could not get the 75 points needed in one full year to race an ama outdoor national & become a pro. But they are eligible to race AMA supercross which I think is stupid & dangerous. some of these riders have not won a race @ the A,B,C, levels. in motocross or amateur arenacross yet they can help fill the supercross starting fields. also one of these 12 riders has no record of
ever racing motocross. just amateur supercross.
the 12 with 3 Ricky points

H. Lee Chavous
Bodie Colangelo
Tyler Custer
Patrick Delowery
Vicki Golden
Zach Gurley
Josh Hernandez
AAron Lampi
Michael Lang
Travis Smith
Tanner Stolz
Shawn Yarbrough

YOU CAN CHECK ANYBODY AMA RECORD BACK TO 2006 RIGHT HERE
http://results.americanmotorcyclist.com/Riders
dev14 wrote:
You Left out Brien DeVillo and Brice Kippel, the very first 2 AX riders to earn their SX endorsement in 2013 and they made night shows...
You Left out Brien DeVillo and Brice Kippel, the very first 2 AX riders to earn their SX endorsement in 2013 and they made night shows in the 250SX class. Noren was there too by the way.

Also, Steve Bruhn (TFS) did an interview at the Tulsa round with RC talking about the RC R2SX. He was politically correct while the camera was rolling but after.....his first words were "if you can't ride this, you have no F'ing business on a SX track". That was the round my kid (DeVillo) and Klippell should have earned their license but didn't because they were not as fast as the other riders. Lee C earned his in the same series and qualified 41st at East Rutherford; Brien Qualified 30th something.

All three also spent a year (or more) riding the amatuer AX sunday events to get ready to the Friday/Saturday Pro events because none had a true arenacross track to practice on.

You can read about it here:
http://www.motonews.com/content.php?203-Brien-DeVillo-s-Road-to-Supercr…

The system IMO is NOT flawed at all, if anything....it makes it too easy. All you have to do is throw down a 20-22 second lap, 3 times and you have a license. The AX series is a good, and fun, series. Competition is stiff and Muye does a great job running it. Schedule used to not go to nearly as many places as it does now just relieve the travel burden for people trying to obtain their license. Look at the places on the map....the old schedules were MUCH more compacted in area.

I do get to voice my opinion because I lived it, experienced it, and came through the other side with my son and he EARNED his SX endorsement in the RC R2SX.

RC is right ....if you can't ride AX, you have no business in SX.

I see only two choices.....Get faster or get out. Flame on.
your right, it is too easy, Yarbrough was 50th fast, no record of him ever racing motocross ama in his lifetime
times are changing, when you don't even have motocross skills & your out there.

gurley made tonights field of 40
1/24/2015 4:34pm
Yarbrough raced a ton of MX according to his hookit account, just not AMA. Someone has to be the 50th fastest guy, I think they will take 60 or 70 entries.

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