Dump the FIM

tombaisley
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Edited Date/Time 12/18/2014 6:33pm
Who needs them?
Why?
Are races in Europe sanctioned by the AMA?
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Kawaboy14
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12/18/2014 6:05am
I second the motion!
12/18/2014 6:06am
The AMA gets its authority to sanction races here through the FIM.
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12/18/2014 6:07am
What do we gain from them aside from SX being dubbed as an FIM "World Championship"?
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12/18/2014 6:09am
Frodad78 wrote:
What do we gain from them aside from SX being dubbed as an FIM "World Championship"?
1 more entity that takes money out of the riders pockets!

The Shop

12/18/2014 6:11am
Stop sending a team to the FIM MXdN. Stop following FIM MXGP.
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12/18/2014 6:20am
It could be as simple as one person in the fim is a racist and caused all the delays, or they are all racist,who knows.
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12/18/2014 6:55am Edited Date/Time 12/18/2014 6:55am
There is no good argument for keeping FIM sponsorship. If the FIM is botching this so badly, then they may not even notice if the AMA lets Stewart ride. Of course, the promoters (Feld and MXSports) sought out this whole doping thing, so they are getting everything they've sought out.
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12/18/2014 6:59am
Yep, an American series doesn't need them at all.

Supercross was great before them, and will be even better without them.
12/18/2014 7:03am
hillbilly wrote:
It could be as simple as one person in the fim is a racist and caused all the delays, or they are all racist,who knows.
In before the dumbgeon!
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12/18/2014 7:06am
Where does the FIM get their $$$? Does Feld just write a big ole check to them for governing the series? Do they have a financial investment in the SX series? If not, it seems like they can do whatever they want to do to affect the series and have nothing to lose!
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12/18/2014 7:10am
I agree. The AMA needs to be a separate entity from the FIM, and I've thought this well before the Stewart incident. Keeping the Free People away from the European political mess was the whole reason the United States was founded 238 years ago.
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12/18/2014 7:15am
Wouldn't it look really bad to break ties with the organization right now? They were so anxious to make supercross a real sport by aligning with them. What does it say if they were to back out?
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12/18/2014 7:18am
rcannon wrote:
Wouldn't it look really bad to break ties with the organization right now? They were so anxious to make supercross a real sport by aligning with...
Wouldn't it look really bad to break ties with the organization right now? They were so anxious to make supercross a real sport by aligning with them. What does it say if they were to back out?
That they were disappointed with the way they run their business.
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12/18/2014 7:21am
if this is fact,then,i doubt things will change;

Robgvx wrote: My post from another thread:


I'm going from memory here but in 2001 (I think) the AMA dumped existing SX promoter Clear Channel and signed a letter of intent with Jam Sports to promote SX (presumably because of more $$). Clear Channel weren't going to just roll over so they said "FU" to the AMA and announced that they would run a series of their own.

So, for a while there were going to be two supercross series the coming year - the existing SX promoter Clear Channel continuing to run their own series, (but without the AMA), and Jam Sports, (the new promoter WITH the AMA) - but Jam Sports didn't have access to the same stadiums that Clear Channel had locked-in.

As I recall the situation Clear Channel prevailed because they played their ace card and went over the AMA's head to hook up with the FIM as the sanctioning body instead of the AMA. Clear Channel got their series sanctioned by the FIM as a world supercross championship (and that's why SX now falls under FIM rules).

The AMA is an affiliate of the FIM. (The FIM is the AMA's boss). Therefore the AMA, who had signed up with Jam Sports as the promoter had to back down and pull out of that deal because the FIM pulled rank in sanctioning a world supercross series in the US with Clear Channel. The AMA couldn't then sanction a rival series with Jam Sports. The FIM call the shots in motorcycling and the AMA is subservient to them.

Now, on top of that the Japanese manufacturers also have/had a fiduciary responsibility towards the FIM. The FIM is the acknowledged worldwide governing body for motorcycling. The manufacturers make motorcycles. They therefore were not going to go against the FIM - their trade body, if you like - and go race with a rival series not sanctioned by the FIM, and in fact one which was competing against the FIM's own sanctioned series. To their overall business SX/MX is tiny part and not worth a confrontation with the FIM over.

This fiduciary responsibility is also perhaps why JS backed out of the nationals this year. They may have argued that the nationals weren't FIM-affiliated but I wouldn't be surprised if, when Stewart flew in the face of the FIM suspension and continued racing, the FIM leant on Suzuki to stop this.
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12/18/2014 7:32am
If the FIM handled this case wrong then that would be grounds For the ending of their contract.

But I'm sure they wouldn't want their career ended by such a silly thing
12/18/2014 11:13am Edited Date/Time 12/18/2014 11:14am
The AMA needs to tell the FIM that they will no longer affiliate unless the FIM agrees to pay start and purse money to mxgp riders. The FIM will then gladly let them out of their agreement.
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12/18/2014 11:24am
Start money and prize money should be paid in MXGP. No question, 100%. But there's no point saying that to the FIM as its down to the promoter, which is Youthstream in MXGP. Nothing to do with the FIM other than they could have a bit more backbone and stand up to Mr Luongo occasionally.
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12/18/2014 11:24am
I've been an AMA member for 33 years. The first 25 years I had to pay membership dues. Since then, I am a life member and am not required to pay dues. I would gladly do so if I still believed in their mission. However, they come begging via mail about 2 to 3 times per year now and I haven't sent them a dime in 7 years. They changed, not me. This FIM thing is just one of the problems I have not believed in. F0ck them and this bullshit.
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12/18/2014 11:35am
Similar to FIM, the FIA regulates a lot of the car racing series around the world. However, NASCAR has no ties to the FIA, so it's conceivable that SX and MX could cut all ties with FIM. Hey, everyone is always saying we need to be more like NASCAR! Laughing
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12/18/2014 11:35am
Do you really think that merely due to the length of suspension of a solitary rider (who without question broke the rules), competing in a single minority branch of motorcycle sport, that the AMA would dump their affiliation with the FIM?

And do you also think that even if the AMA did, the factories would also join the breakaway and in so doing give a big F you to the FIM - the worldwide governing body for ALL of motorcycling, just because one rider broke the rules and was pissed because he got busted?
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12/18/2014 11:41am
Robgvx wrote:
Do you really think that merely due to the length of suspension of a solitary rider (who without question broke the rules), competing in a single...
Do you really think that merely due to the length of suspension of a solitary rider (who without question broke the rules), competing in a single minority branch of motorcycle sport, that the AMA would dump their affiliation with the FIM?

And do you also think that even if the AMA did, the factories would also join the breakaway and in so doing give a big F you to the FIM - the worldwide governing body for ALL of motorcycling, just because one rider broke the rules and was pissed because he got busted?
I don't remember seeing any FIM logos at the MX nationals this year in the US.
12/18/2014 12:20pm Edited Date/Time 12/18/2014 12:24pm
The only thing the Fim gives us and the world, well not really us but fellow racers such as Reed, Roczen, Pourcel, ect ect ect...they give them easy ability to come race internationally. Yes they could do it without the Fim but it is easier through the Fim. Most pro licenses are Fim licenses and can be used world wide as opposed to the Ama pro card which allows our racers to race here in the states only. Now since Fim cam aboard all licenses are considered to be Fim based licenses and can be used world wide without any delay.

Besides that, the Fim really does nothing for our racing series....the Ama built their model around the Fim and has learned im sure plenty from the Fim, and at this point I think the Ama could go out and lead its own company assuming they had investers. The Ama is a world wide entity and is involved all over the globe.
12/18/2014 1:49pm Edited Date/Time 12/18/2014 1:54pm
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12/18/2014 1:51pm
Robgvx wrote:
Do you really think that merely due to the length of suspension of a solitary rider (who without question broke the rules), competing in a single...
Do you really think that merely due to the length of suspension of a solitary rider (who without question broke the rules), competing in a single minority branch of motorcycle sport, that the AMA would dump their affiliation with the FIM?

And do you also think that even if the AMA did, the factories would also join the breakaway and in so doing give a big F you to the FIM - the worldwide governing body for ALL of motorcycling, just because one rider broke the rules and was pissed because he got busted?
IceMan446 wrote:
I don't remember seeing any FIM logos at the MX nationals this year in the US.
that becasue its a national championship,

the Sx series is a world championship, thats why its under the FIM,
12/18/2014 1:52pm
The only thing the Fim gives us and the world, well not really us but fellow racers such as Reed, Roczen, Pourcel, ect ect ect...they give...
The only thing the Fim gives us and the world, well not really us but fellow racers such as Reed, Roczen, Pourcel, ect ect ect...they give them easy ability to come race internationally. Yes they could do it without the Fim but it is easier through the Fim. Most pro licenses are Fim licenses and can be used world wide as opposed to the Ama pro card which allows our racers to race here in the states only. Now since Fim cam aboard all licenses are considered to be Fim based licenses and can be used world wide without any delay.

Besides that, the Fim really does nothing for our racing series....the Ama built their model around the Fim and has learned im sure plenty from the Fim, and at this point I think the Ama could go out and lead its own company assuming they had investers. The Ama is a world wide entity and is involved all over the globe.
where is the AMA involved outside the USA??
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12/18/2014 2:05pm
Many of you are funny, but equally dumb. The FIM isnt going anywhere and it has nothing to do with the AMA. Its FELD who needs the FIM to keep the AMA right where they want them. Powerless. Thru the FIM and in turn the factories, FELD runs SX.
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12/18/2014 2:12pm
Robgvx wrote:
Do you really think that merely due to the length of suspension of a solitary rider (who without question broke the rules), competing in a single...
Do you really think that merely due to the length of suspension of a solitary rider (who without question broke the rules), competing in a single minority branch of motorcycle sport, that the AMA would dump their affiliation with the FIM?

And do you also think that even if the AMA did, the factories would also join the breakaway and in so doing give a big F you to the FIM - the worldwide governing body for ALL of motorcycling, just because one rider broke the rules and was pissed because he got busted?
IceMan446 wrote:
I don't remember seeing any FIM logos at the MX nationals this year in the US.
scott_nz wrote:
that becasue its a national championship,

the Sx series is a world championship, thats why its under the FIM,
Correction, the SX series is under the FIM, that's why it's a "world" championship.

I don't see one round in 2015 outside the U.S., so I don't see any reason for it to be considered a "world" championship. The term "world championship" adds little to no validity when the series doesn't venture outside of the U.S., IMO.
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12/18/2014 2:21pm Edited Date/Time 4/3/2015 3:11pm
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12/18/2014 4:05pm
A rider breaks the FIM rules and that means we have to dump the FIM???
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12/18/2014 4:23pm Edited Date/Time 4/3/2015 3:11pm
kiwifan wrote:
A rider breaks the FIM rules and that means we have to dump the FIM???
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