2+2=4

500guy wrote:

Ha ha , Thanks for the plug

Nostradamus wrote:

Before you scoff at my theory... do a little research and find out how long it took Suzuki to pay Carmichael... and obviously Berik boots is...

Before you scoff at my theory... do a little research and find out how long it took Suzuki to pay Carmichael... and obviously Berik boots is not an OEM, but they DO still owe Carmichael 1 million dollars, or at least did for years after their rift.


Now let's take it a step further. What if it all comes out that the this OEM cannot pay the guy's bonus? What does this say for the current condition of the moto-economy? Does it bring us one step closer to Feld Entertainment stepping in and buying all the rider's contracts and turning it into Monster Jam? Hey, they race at Monster Jam.... but Feld owns all the trucks, teams, and drivers. It can, and will happen to Supercross if it continues on it's current path. A rider's union will not help against this. If all 80 250 & 450 qualifiers packed up their trucks and left, Feld can and will have 80 scabs ready to load up in the gate. The lap time difference of 3 seconds is virtually undetectable to the average ticket holder, and 97% of them do not care what name is on their jersey. Those 80 top qualifiers would essentially be screwed by the 80 "scabs" waiting in line.

"Why bowl with golden bowling pins, when bowling with wooden ones yields the same result?"

-Dorna (MotoGP promoter regarding switch to 600cc spec Honda engines in Moto 2)

I really see the divide between Supercross and Motocross growing exponentially in the next 5 years, with SX morphing into a Feld Monster Jam circus, and Motocross being the last bastion of two-wheeled offroad racing.

JBlain619 wrote:

You really think that if the Top current riders in SX packed up and left, people would still go and watch the race??? I didn't realize...

You really think that if the Top current riders in SX packed up and left, people would still go and watch the race??? I didn't realize they legalized marijuana in VA, because you are high!!!

Plus, there are more than 3 seconds separating the top guys and the guy that gets 15th.

You should've stopped at your intial post in this thread because the more you go on, the less credible you become.

Lightning78 wrote:

Might want to think twice about what Nostradamus said because it makes a lot of sense and is highlt possible.....as for the top 3 riders not...

Might want to think twice about what Nostradamus said because it makes a lot of sense and is highlt possible.....as for the top 3 riders not going and no fans showing up.....well when the top 3 are injured at the same time do you think nobody would go to the races either? Its fundamentally the same thing, yet people still go even when a lot of riders are hurt.

I think there is a lot of logic in the concept of Feld taking over like that they already refer to it as a "Show" not a race...not to say its going to happen but Feld can EASILY market and create new "heros" of the sport. If you don't think Feld is capable of doing that then you are off your rocker. Marketing is their niche and they do it pretty dam well.

I am starting to see a divide between SX and MX, personally I prefer MX over SX but that's just me....as long as MX is still around and we have a legit series ill be happy.

2 things about RV and taking time off possibly retiring
1 - His stomach ailment is far worse than they are letting on which may be forcing him to walk away or taken an extended break

2 - It could be about the $ and Kawi or somebody involved (Monster etc) cannot pay out for all his winnings which is definitely a possibility ....It happened to a LOT of top riders in this sport it wouldn't be too far fetched for that to be an issue

StartedTooLate wrote:

Kawi paid RVs win and champ bonuses at the beginning of the year. It is called an insurance premium. Once the insurance premium is paid...RVs performance...

Kawi paid RVs win and champ bonuses at the beginning of the year. It is called an insurance premium. Once the insurance premium is paid...RVs performance has no impact at all on the Kawi team's cash flow. This is in the running for the most moronic post ever. Oh and...conspiracy theorists are in fact idiots, as noted previously.

Nostradamus wrote:

All this talk of Villopoto not racing outdoors. The reasoning behind it has been very "hush", which is understandable. I believe when this all comes to...

All this talk of Villopoto not racing outdoors.

The reasoning behind it has been very "hush", which is understandable.

I believe when this all comes to surface, we will see that the real reason is that Kawasaki cannot afford to pay him win bonuses/ championship bonuses as he was promised. The reason it is so "hush" is because he is contractually obligated to not bring any negative press upon his sponsor. Seeing all the rumors flying around, I am sure he would love to just silence them all and say "Kawasaki is broke" but he cannot. Remember, when he signed in 2013, Kawasaki canned their entire offroad team in order to pay his salary. I would imagine there are also arguments between Kawasaki and Monster Energy as to who is responsible for footing which part of the bill.

This is the only logical explanation why he would not race outdoors and even consider retirement a year before he originally planned. 2015 silly season just got even more silly, as I am fairly certain that Villopoto will be out searching for someone that can afford to pay him, and it may not be in the United States.

StartedTooLate wrote:

Kawi paid RVs win and champ bonuses at the beginning of the year. It is called an insurance premium. Once the insurance premium is paid...RVs performance...

Kawi paid RVs win and champ bonuses at the beginning of the year. It is called an insurance premium. Once the insurance premium is paid...RVs performance has no impact at all on the Kawi team's cash flow. This is in the running for the most moronic post ever. Oh and...conspiracy theorists are in fact idiots, as noted previously.

TripleFive wrote:

How does this work? Does Kawi give the rider money as if he won every race? Did they do the same with Weimer? And the rider...

How does this work? Does Kawi give the rider money as if he won every race? Did they do the same with Weimer? And the rider has to give the money back that he doesn't earn?

Brent wrote:

Well I thought it was funny and not racist. I have Asian friends and they do that stuff all the time. BTW What is with the...

Well I thought it was funny and not racist. I have Asian friends and they do that stuff all the time.

BTW What is with the sour look on the chick in the right corner of your avatar? Is that a guy with his head in her lap??

Electro wrote:

Mean while ,over at Kawasaki Japan:

Oooohh Virripoto make to big bonus money ! We must ret him go!

Ryan Villipoto signs with KTM

GrapeApe wrote:

Time to update my list . . .

Outsider wrote:

You spelled Nostradumbass wrong...

lappedrider wrote:

If they are in Japan, why are they speaking in English????? :-)

Nostradamus wrote:

Before you scoff at my theory... do a little research and find out how long it took Suzuki to pay Carmichael... and obviously Berik boots is...

Before you scoff at my theory... do a little research and find out how long it took Suzuki to pay Carmichael... and obviously Berik boots is not an OEM, but they DO still owe Carmichael 1 million dollars, or at least did for years after their rift.


Now let's take it a step further. What if it all comes out that the this OEM cannot pay the guy's bonus? What does this say for the current condition of the moto-economy? Does it bring us one step closer to Feld Entertainment stepping in and buying all the rider's contracts and turning it into Monster Jam? Hey, they race at Monster Jam.... but Feld owns all the trucks, teams, and drivers. It can, and will happen to Supercross if it continues on it's current path. A rider's union will not help against this. If all 80 250 & 450 qualifiers packed up their trucks and left, Feld can and will have 80 scabs ready to load up in the gate. The lap time difference of 3 seconds is virtually undetectable to the average ticket holder, and 97% of them do not care what name is on their jersey. Those 80 top qualifiers would essentially be screwed by the 80 "scabs" waiting in line.

"Why bowl with golden bowling pins, when bowling with wooden ones yields the same result?"

-Dorna (MotoGP promoter regarding switch to 600cc spec Honda engines in Moto 2)

I really see the divide between Supercross and Motocross growing exponentially in the next 5 years, with SX morphing into a Feld Monster Jam circus, and Motocross being the last bastion of two-wheeled offroad racing.

DonM wrote:

Research? it appears that is something you have not done...most bonuses are paid through an insurance/annuity policy purchased in advance of the season or at the...

Research? it appears that is something you have not done...most bonuses are paid through an insurance/annuity policy purchased in advance of the season or at the beginning of the contract. And to imply that Kawasaki doesn't have the money to pay him is the funniest thing I've read in a long time....they probably aren't paying Feld for their sponsorship or Fox for their ads they run on TV because they have to pay RV his bonuses....LOL!! And just an FYI....RC didn't have to wait for any bonuses from Suz and the boot company went bankrupt, regurgitating rumors isn't research....This needs to go in the MORAN file...

GrapeApe wrote:

Time to update my list . . .

scooter5002 wrote:

You mean the list in The Dead Pool?

Electro wrote:

Mean while ,over at Kawasaki Japan:

Oooohh Virripoto make to big bonus money ! We must ret him go!

Ryan Villipoto signs with KTM

lappedrider wrote:

If they are in Japan, why are they speaking in English????? :-)

Nostradamus wrote:

Before you scoff at my theory... do a little research and find out how long it took Suzuki to pay Carmichael... and obviously Berik boots is...

Before you scoff at my theory... do a little research and find out how long it took Suzuki to pay Carmichael... and obviously Berik boots is not an OEM, but they DO still owe Carmichael 1 million dollars, or at least did for years after their rift.


Now let's take it a step further. What if it all comes out that the this OEM cannot pay the guy's bonus? What does this say for the current condition of the moto-economy? Does it bring us one step closer to Feld Entertainment stepping in and buying all the rider's contracts and turning it into Monster Jam? Hey, they race at Monster Jam.... but Feld owns all the trucks, teams, and drivers. It can, and will happen to Supercross if it continues on it's current path. A rider's union will not help against this. If all 80 250 & 450 qualifiers packed up their trucks and left, Feld can and will have 80 scabs ready to load up in the gate. The lap time difference of 3 seconds is virtually undetectable to the average ticket holder, and 97% of them do not care what name is on their jersey. Those 80 top qualifiers would essentially be screwed by the 80 "scabs" waiting in line.

"Why bowl with golden bowling pins, when bowling with wooden ones yields the same result?"

-Dorna (MotoGP promoter regarding switch to 600cc spec Honda engines in Moto 2)

I really see the divide between Supercross and Motocross growing exponentially in the next 5 years, with SX morphing into a Feld Monster Jam circus, and Motocross being the last bastion of two-wheeled offroad racing.

JBlain619 wrote:

You really think that if the Top current riders in SX packed up and left, people would still go and watch the race??? I didn't realize...

You really think that if the Top current riders in SX packed up and left, people would still go and watch the race??? I didn't realize they legalized marijuana in VA, because you are high!!!

Plus, there are more than 3 seconds separating the top guys and the guy that gets 15th.

You should've stopped at your intial post in this thread because the more you go on, the less credible you become.

Lightning78 wrote:

Might want to think twice about what Nostradamus said because it makes a lot of sense and is highlt possible.....as for the top 3 riders not...

Might want to think twice about what Nostradamus said because it makes a lot of sense and is highlt possible.....as for the top 3 riders not going and no fans showing up.....well when the top 3 are injured at the same time do you think nobody would go to the races either? Its fundamentally the same thing, yet people still go even when a lot of riders are hurt.

I think there is a lot of logic in the concept of Feld taking over like that they already refer to it as a "Show" not a race...not to say its going to happen but Feld can EASILY market and create new "heros" of the sport. If you don't think Feld is capable of doing that then you are off your rocker. Marketing is their niche and they do it pretty dam well.

I am starting to see a divide between SX and MX, personally I prefer MX over SX but that's just me....as long as MX is still around and we have a legit series ill be happy.

2 things about RV and taking time off possibly retiring
1 - His stomach ailment is far worse than they are letting on which may be forcing him to walk away or taken an extended break

2 - It could be about the $ and Kawi or somebody involved (Monster etc) cannot pay out for all his winnings which is definitely a possibility ....It happened to a LOT of top riders in this sport it wouldn't be too far fetched for that to be an issue

Nostradamus wrote:

Before you scoff at my theory... do a little research and find out how long it took Suzuki to pay Carmichael... and obviously Berik boots is...

Before you scoff at my theory... do a little research and find out how long it took Suzuki to pay Carmichael... and obviously Berik boots is not an OEM, but they DO still owe Carmichael 1 million dollars, or at least did for years after their rift.


Now let's take it a step further. What if it all comes out that the this OEM cannot pay the guy's bonus? What does this say for the current condition of the moto-economy? Does it bring us one step closer to Feld Entertainment stepping in and buying all the rider's contracts and turning it into Monster Jam? Hey, they race at Monster Jam.... but Feld owns all the trucks, teams, and drivers. It can, and will happen to Supercross if it continues on it's current path. A rider's union will not help against this. If all 80 250 & 450 qualifiers packed up their trucks and left, Feld can and will have 80 scabs ready to load up in the gate. The lap time difference of 3 seconds is virtually undetectable to the average ticket holder, and 97% of them do not care what name is on their jersey. Those 80 top qualifiers would essentially be screwed by the 80 "scabs" waiting in line.

"Why bowl with golden bowling pins, when bowling with wooden ones yields the same result?"

-Dorna (MotoGP promoter regarding switch to 600cc spec Honda engines in Moto 2)

I really see the divide between Supercross and Motocross growing exponentially in the next 5 years, with SX morphing into a Feld Monster Jam circus, and Motocross being the last bastion of two-wheeled offroad racing.

JBlain619 wrote:

You really think that if the Top current riders in SX packed up and left, people would still go and watch the race??? I didn't realize...

You really think that if the Top current riders in SX packed up and left, people would still go and watch the race??? I didn't realize they legalized marijuana in VA, because you are high!!!

Plus, there are more than 3 seconds separating the top guys and the guy that gets 15th.

You should've stopped at your intial post in this thread because the more you go on, the less credible you become.

Lightning78 wrote:

Might want to think twice about what Nostradamus said because it makes a lot of sense and is highlt possible.....as for the top 3 riders not...

Might want to think twice about what Nostradamus said because it makes a lot of sense and is highlt possible.....as for the top 3 riders not going and no fans showing up.....well when the top 3 are injured at the same time do you think nobody would go to the races either? Its fundamentally the same thing, yet people still go even when a lot of riders are hurt.

I think there is a lot of logic in the concept of Feld taking over like that they already refer to it as a "Show" not a race...not to say its going to happen but Feld can EASILY market and create new "heros" of the sport. If you don't think Feld is capable of doing that then you are off your rocker. Marketing is their niche and they do it pretty dam well.

I am starting to see a divide between SX and MX, personally I prefer MX over SX but that's just me....as long as MX is still around and we have a legit series ill be happy.

2 things about RV and taking time off possibly retiring
1 - His stomach ailment is far worse than they are letting on which may be forcing him to walk away or taken an extended break

2 - It could be about the $ and Kawi or somebody involved (Monster etc) cannot pay out for all his winnings which is definitely a possibility ....It happened to a LOT of top riders in this sport it wouldn't be too far fetched for that to be an issue

500guy wrote:

Nostradumbass has spoken, Stamp it.

Nostradamus wrote:

I like it better when you speak. On camera.

https://youtu.be/gVoyNHvUwSE

IWreckALot wrote:

Paging Uncleof2. . . I find it interesting he hasn't chimed in on this thread. Probably won't say anything one way or the other but a...

Paging Uncleof2. . . I find it interesting he hasn't chimed in on this thread. Probably won't say anything one way or the other but a heavy hint would be appreciated.

StartedTooLate wrote:

Kawi paid RVs win and champ bonuses at the beginning of the year. It is called an insurance premium. Once the insurance premium is paid...RVs performance...

Kawi paid RVs win and champ bonuses at the beginning of the year. It is called an insurance premium. Once the insurance premium is paid...RVs performance has no impact at all on the Kawi team's cash flow. This is in the running for the most moronic post ever. Oh and...conspiracy theorists are in fact idiots, as noted previously.

TripleFive wrote:

How does this work? Does Kawi give the rider money as if he won every race? Did they do the same with Weimer? And the rider...

How does this work? Does Kawi give the rider money as if he won every race? Did they do the same with Weimer? And the rider has to give the money back that he doesn't earn?

Electro wrote:

Mean while ,over at Kawasaki Japan:

Oooohh Virripoto make to big bonus money ! We must ret him go!

Ryan Villipoto signs with KTM

Nostradamus wrote:

If that isn't racist, I'm not sure what is.

Electro wrote:

Ya I 'm not to worried about that whiney crap . I am mostly Italian and get ribbed all the time I just laugh if its...

Ya I 'm not to worried about that whiney crap . I am mostly Italian and get ribbed all the time I just laugh if its funny. Waaa

GrapeApe wrote:

Time to update my list . . .

scooter5002 wrote:

You mean the list in The Dead Pool?

GrapeApe wrote:

Already updated

Nostradamus wrote:

Before you scoff at my theory... do a little research and find out how long it took Suzuki to pay Carmichael... and obviously Berik boots is...

Before you scoff at my theory... do a little research and find out how long it took Suzuki to pay Carmichael... and obviously Berik boots is not an OEM, but they DO still owe Carmichael 1 million dollars, or at least did for years after their rift.


Now let's take it a step further. What if it all comes out that the this OEM cannot pay the guy's bonus? What does this say for the current condition of the moto-economy? Does it bring us one step closer to Feld Entertainment stepping in and buying all the rider's contracts and turning it into Monster Jam? Hey, they race at Monster Jam.... but Feld owns all the trucks, teams, and drivers. It can, and will happen to Supercross if it continues on it's current path. A rider's union will not help against this. If all 80 250 & 450 qualifiers packed up their trucks and left, Feld can and will have 80 scabs ready to load up in the gate. The lap time difference of 3 seconds is virtually undetectable to the average ticket holder, and 97% of them do not care what name is on their jersey. Those 80 top qualifiers would essentially be screwed by the 80 "scabs" waiting in line.

"Why bowl with golden bowling pins, when bowling with wooden ones yields the same result?"

-Dorna (MotoGP promoter regarding switch to 600cc spec Honda engines in Moto 2)

I really see the divide between Supercross and Motocross growing exponentially in the next 5 years, with SX morphing into a Feld Monster Jam circus, and Motocross being the last bastion of two-wheeled offroad racing.

DonM wrote:

Research? it appears that is something you have not done...most bonuses are paid through an insurance/annuity policy purchased in advance of the season or at the...

Research? it appears that is something you have not done...most bonuses are paid through an insurance/annuity policy purchased in advance of the season or at the beginning of the contract. And to imply that Kawasaki doesn't have the money to pay him is the funniest thing I've read in a long time....they probably aren't paying Feld for their sponsorship or Fox for their ads they run on TV because they have to pay RV his bonuses....LOL!! And just an FYI....RC didn't have to wait for any bonuses from Suz and the boot company went bankrupt, regurgitating rumors isn't research....This needs to go in the MORAN file...