A third of the sx guys are out with shoulder injures

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Some throwing away titles just to look cool by not wear shoulder pads. At least the old school riders had a clue.

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This thread is stupid. I dont think you should be giving the best riders in the world shit for what gear they wear/dont wear. Im pretty sure they have it under control. Im sure its not all about "looking cool" either.
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mx965 wrote:
This thread is stupid. I dont think you should be giving the best riders in the world shit for what gear they wear/dont wear. Im pretty...
This thread is stupid. I dont think you should be giving the best riders in the world shit for what gear they wear/dont wear. Im pretty sure they have it under control. Im sure its not all about "looking cool" either.
Your response is stupid. It teaches our kids they should be out there without gear, a football player wouldn't play without shoulder pads on.Pros should be wearing shoulder pads period.
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The shoulder "pads" on chest protectors aren't going to do anything to prevent a shoulder injury in MX. They are a flimsy piece of plastic.

If you are expecting riders to wear football shoulder pads, the yes, THOSE might have prevented some of the shoulder injuries...but the shoulder "pads" in even the best mx chest protectors are NOTHING like football shoulder pads.
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Titan1 wrote:
The shoulder "pads" on chest protectors aren't going to do anything to prevent a shoulder injury in MX. They are a flimsy piece of plastic. If...
The shoulder "pads" on chest protectors aren't going to do anything to prevent a shoulder injury in MX. They are a flimsy piece of plastic.

If you are expecting riders to wear football shoulder pads, the yes, THOSE might have prevented some of the shoulder injuries...but the shoulder "pads" in even the best mx chest protectors are NOTHING like football shoulder pads.
That is very true, I was only comparing they are both professionals. But anything is better that nothing, I have shattered several chest protectors and my injuries would have been much worse without one on. I bet you can't throw yourself into a wall or the ground hard enough to shatter a chest protector.

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hellion 4/4/2014 12:25pm
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I wear a chest pro with shoulder cups, mainly because my shoulders are so beat up that they can't take much of an impact anymore. I've got two torn rotator cuffs from riding that I live with every day. Surprisingly they don't hurt when I ride, only when I crash or try to throw a ball. Shouder pads aren't going to do a thing to prevent the kind of shoulder injuries that will keep you off the bike. They might help with a bruise, which is why they work well to protect ribs. But a shoulder is a joint, and the injury is caused when something makes it go beyond it's range of allowed motion.
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Titan1 4/4/2014 12:31pm
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Titan1 wrote:
The shoulder "pads" on chest protectors aren't going to do anything to prevent a shoulder injury in MX. They are a flimsy piece of plastic. If...
The shoulder "pads" on chest protectors aren't going to do anything to prevent a shoulder injury in MX. They are a flimsy piece of plastic.

If you are expecting riders to wear football shoulder pads, the yes, THOSE might have prevented some of the shoulder injuries...but the shoulder "pads" in even the best mx chest protectors are NOTHING like football shoulder pads.
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That is very true, I was only comparing they are both professionals. But anything is better that nothing, I have shattered several chest protectors and my...
That is very true, I was only comparing they are both professionals. But anything is better that nothing, I have shattered several chest protectors and my injuries would have been much worse without one on. I bet you can't throw yourself into a wall or the ground hard enough to shatter a chest protector.
So what do you suggest riders wear that has "pads"??? I can't think of a chest protector on the market that has any significant padding...

I wear the fox Titan body armor...and it doesn't even have padding in the shoulders...or anywhere, for that matter, that would do anything to protect a shoulder injury that would keep me off the bike.
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The new Leatt 5.5 Pro chest protector has shoulder protection that is actually CE rated for impact unlike most chest protectors in the mx industry which are just glorified roost guards. If you've ever tried one of the new Leatt's on you'll see right away why it's a lot better than most of the other so-called "chest protectors". The Astars A-8 also has heavier duty looking shoulder protection but I've never seen them in person.

I've often wondered why more riders don't wear better protection considering there is so much at stake and it's so easy to get taken out of a championship run by injury. Barcia's the only top rider I can think of who actually wears a lot of protective gear.
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mx965 wrote:
This thread is stupid. I dont think you should be giving the best riders in the world shit for what gear they wear/dont wear. Im pretty...
This thread is stupid. I dont think you should be giving the best riders in the world shit for what gear they wear/dont wear. Im pretty sure they have it under control. Im sure its not all about "looking cool" either.
Apparently 1/3 of riders don't have it under control
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mx965 4/4/2014 1:02pm
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mx965 wrote:
This thread is stupid. I dont think you should be giving the best riders in the world shit for what gear they wear/dont wear. Im pretty...
This thread is stupid. I dont think you should be giving the best riders in the world shit for what gear they wear/dont wear. Im pretty sure they have it under control. Im sure its not all about "looking cool" either.
Motodork wrote:
Your response is stupid. It teaches our kids they should be out there without gear, a football player wouldn't play without shoulder pads on.Pros should be...
Your response is stupid. It teaches our kids they should be out there without gear, a football player wouldn't play without shoulder pads on.Pros should be wearing shoulder pads period.
Bottom line. They are the best in the world and they can do whatever they want. Like said earlier, a piece of plastic isnt going to save shoulder injuries. Alot of riders wear under jersey body armour that you cant see anyway. You guys are bitching because they are not wearing big ass outdated chest protectors. Between here and TT i see a thread like this every week.
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IWreckALot 4/4/2014 1:09pm
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I'm hung up on 1/3 also. . . Curious who makes that up. . .

There is a fishy smell in this thread.
neverwas 4/4/2014 1:14pm
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After looking at the Racer X injury report,seems broken wrists are more prevalent than shoulder injuries.
So by your logic riders should be wearing wrist braces.
BTW I do wear shoulder/roost protection,I don't mind the trade off of restriction to protection.
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The Rock 4/4/2014 1:37pm
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mx965 wrote:
Bottom line. They are the best in the world and they can do whatever they want. Like said earlier, a piece of plastic isnt going to...
Bottom line. They are the best in the world and they can do whatever they want. Like said earlier, a piece of plastic isnt going to save shoulder injuries. Alot of riders wear under jersey body armour that you cant see anyway. You guys are bitching because they are not wearing big ass outdated chest protectors. Between here and TT i see a thread like this every week.
Bottom line others don't agree with your position but it is all good. Personally I find it laughable this is even a topic given common sense would tell a person you need more than a jersey. I have to put some of this on the AMA and FIM for not updating their antiquated safety equipment requirements.

As a sport it is bush league IMHO the racers are treated like cannon fodder.
lostboy819 4/4/2014 1:42pm
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Bottom line others don't agree with your position but it is all good. Personally I find it laughable this is even a topic given common sense...
Bottom line others don't agree with your position but it is all good. Personally I find it laughable this is even a topic given common sense would tell a person you need more than a jersey. I have to put some of this on the AMA and FIM for not updating their antiquated safety equipment requirements.

As a sport it is bush league IMHO the racers are treated like cannon fodder.
How are the racers treated like cannon fodder ? Riders can wear all the safety gear they want and its their choice. Because they can make their own choice to use what ever gear they want, how does that make them mistreated?
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zehn 4/4/2014 2:14pm
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If you really think that a chest protector is going to prevent a separated shoulder, then I've got some beach-front property in Nebraska I'd be willing to sell you Laughing
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How are the racers treated like cannon fodder ? Riders can wear all the safety gear they want and its their choice. Because they can make...
How are the racers treated like cannon fodder ? Riders can wear all the safety gear they want and its their choice. Because they can make their own choice to use what ever gear they want, how does that make them mistreated?
Good question. I feel this way because there's no updated safety requirements to reflect the way the sport has changed over the last 30 to 40 years.

zehn regarding chest protectors preventing all injuries of course not but without a doubt chest protectors with spinal protection would certainly reduce severity of some injuries. I still can't believe team owners don't require it.
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lostboy819 wrote:
How are the racers treated like cannon fodder ? Riders can wear all the safety gear they want and its their choice. Because they can make...
How are the racers treated like cannon fodder ? Riders can wear all the safety gear they want and its their choice. Because they can make their own choice to use what ever gear they want, how does that make them mistreated?
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Good question. I feel this way because there's no updated safety requirements to reflect the way the sport has changed over the last 30 to 40...
Good question. I feel this way because there's no updated safety requirements to reflect the way the sport has changed over the last 30 to 40 years.

zehn regarding chest protectors preventing all injuries of course not but without a doubt chest protectors with spinal protection would certainly reduce severity of some injuries. I still can't believe team owners don't require it.
I actually agree with that to an extent...

Given the amount of $$$ sponsors spend on these athletes, and teams invest in testing and all other aspects of getting their riders to the races...it boggles my mind that teams and sponsors don't require that the riders wear as much protection as possible...

Now, I don't believe that any piece of equipment will prevent all injuries...but, as someone else said...every little bit helps.

With the exception of a neck brace...I wear every piece of body protection I can when I ride...
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Big Lenny 4/4/2014 2:59pm
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Who here has crash tested the shoulder pads?, I've crashed in mine and was glad I had it on...
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endurox wrote:
Some throwing away titles just to look cool by not wear shoulder pads. At least the old school riders had a clue. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/04/04/50086/s1200_flak_jak.jpg[/img]
Some throwing away titles just to look cool by not wear shoulder pads. At least the old school riders had a clue.

Mandatory leatt shoulder brace is in order

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mx965 wrote:
This thread is stupid. I dont think you should be giving the best riders in the world shit for what gear they wear/dont wear. Im pretty...
This thread is stupid. I dont think you should be giving the best riders in the world shit for what gear they wear/dont wear. Im pretty sure they have it under control. Im sure its not all about "looking cool" either.
Motodork wrote:
Your response is stupid. It teaches our kids they should be out there without gear, a football player wouldn't play without shoulder pads on.Pros should be...
Your response is stupid. It teaches our kids they should be out there without gear, a football player wouldn't play without shoulder pads on.Pros should be wearing shoulder pads period.
mx965 wrote:
Bottom line. They are the best in the world and they can do whatever they want. Like said earlier, a piece of plastic isnt going to...
Bottom line. They are the best in the world and they can do whatever they want. Like said earlier, a piece of plastic isnt going to save shoulder injuries. Alot of riders wear under jersey body armour that you cant see anyway. You guys are bitching because they are not wearing big ass outdated chest protectors. Between here and TT i see a thread like this every week.
Don't need a helmet if you don't crash...duh
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The shoulder "pads" on chest protectors aren't going to do anything to prevent a shoulder injury in MX. They are a flimsy piece of plastic. If...
The shoulder "pads" on chest protectors aren't going to do anything to prevent a shoulder injury in MX. They are a flimsy piece of plastic.

If you are expecting riders to wear football shoulder pads, the yes, THOSE might have prevented some of the shoulder injuries...but the shoulder "pads" in even the best mx chest protectors are NOTHING like football shoulder pads.
It's not the piece of plastic that helps prevent an injury, it's the netting or suspension of the plastic cup that absorbs some the impact energy in my opinion. Anything that takes some of the force away from the impact has to help. Cotton/polyester doesn't.
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boybuc 4/4/2014 3:30pm
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Shoulder Pads don't help
lostboy819 4/4/2014 3:32pm
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The Rock wrote:
Good question. I feel this way because there's no updated safety requirements to reflect the way the sport has changed over the last 30 to 40...
Good question. I feel this way because there's no updated safety requirements to reflect the way the sport has changed over the last 30 to 40 years.

zehn regarding chest protectors preventing all injuries of course not but without a doubt chest protectors with spinal protection would certainly reduce severity of some injuries. I still can't believe team owners don't require it.
They made the hats off device mandatory equipment but it is a post crash not pre crash item. To tell the truth I am surprised that the government has not stepped in and made all sorts of rules and regulations. How many sports are there that have a track record as bad as MX/SX ? You have Bailey,Magoo,Fonseca,Henry,Tony D,Malherbe,Button etc etc to name just a few all with life changing spinal injury's and these are some of the best in the world. If it was football it would be guys like Elway,Montana,Rice the biggest names in the sport. Like I said I am shocked the feds haven't banned MX yet
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The Rock 4/4/2014 6:32pm
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They made the hats off device mandatory equipment but it is a post crash not pre crash item. To tell the truth I am surprised that...
They made the hats off device mandatory equipment but it is a post crash not pre crash item. To tell the truth I am surprised that the government has not stepped in and made all sorts of rules and regulations. How many sports are there that have a track record as bad as MX/SX ? You have Bailey,Magoo,Fonseca,Henry,Tony D,Malherbe,Button etc etc to name just a few all with life changing spinal injury's and these are some of the best in the world. If it was football it would be guys like Elway,Montana,Rice the biggest names in the sport. Like I said I am shocked the feds haven't banned MX yet
Like I said I am shocked the feds haven't banned MX yet I feel you and is why I am a proponent for chest protectors with spinal protection. If we can reduce the carnage to some extent maybe we can keep the feds off our backs. I don't know enough about neck braces to be an advocate but for upper body protection it is s no brainer to wear a shell. The times I have been run over I know I would have been hurt worse if I had only been wearing a jersey.

What we tolerate as acceptable injury wise is mind boggling to someone that doesn't have the MX addiction issue like the rest of us.
lostboy819 4/4/2014 6:45pm
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I am not a spinal injury expert in any way shape or form but from what I have read Bailey, Fonseca,Button and others landed on top of their heads that caused their injury's so I don't know of any safety equipment that could have helped. After watching Magoo's accident and the way his head whipped up I do believe a Leatt brace could have saved him so I do believe they do save some riders from injury. I just don't see any new equipment that should be mandatory at this time. I think they could cut down on injurys more with track changes and slowing the riders down but that would only be a band aid, I wish I had the answer.
lostboy819 4/4/2014 6:50pm
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Shoulder Pads don't help
I injured my shoulder and I didn't even crash, came down a big downhill and the bike swapped so hard it tried to rip the bars out of my hands and I held on,I could feel it tear through my chest and shoulder .Sad
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The shoulder "pads" on chest protectors aren't going to do anything to prevent a shoulder injury in MX. They are a flimsy piece of plastic. If...
The shoulder "pads" on chest protectors aren't going to do anything to prevent a shoulder injury in MX. They are a flimsy piece of plastic.

If you are expecting riders to wear football shoulder pads, the yes, THOSE might have prevented some of the shoulder injuries...but the shoulder "pads" in even the best mx chest protectors are NOTHING like football shoulder pads.
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It's not the piece of plastic that helps prevent an injury, it's the netting or suspension of the plastic cup that absorbs some the impact energy...
It's not the piece of plastic that helps prevent an injury, it's the netting or suspension of the plastic cup that absorbs some the impact energy in my opinion. Anything that takes some of the force away from the impact has to help. Cotton/polyester doesn't.
How much netting is even in a chest protector to absorb impact? They are, for all intents and purposes, a piece of plastic strapped to your body...nothing more, nothing less...

Sure...better than nothing...but barely, when talking about shoulder injuries.
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yzjs7 4/4/2014 9:52pm
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I had shoulder pads on and still seperated my shoulder. It's there body and there choice.
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lostboy819 wrote:
I am not a spinal injury expert in any way shape or form but from what I have read Bailey, Fonseca,Button and others landed on top...
I am not a spinal injury expert in any way shape or form but from what I have read Bailey, Fonseca,Button and others landed on top of their heads that caused their injury's so I don't know of any safety equipment that could have helped. After watching Magoo's accident and the way his head whipped up I do believe a Leatt brace could have saved him so I do believe they do save some riders from injury. I just don't see any new equipment that should be mandatory at this time. I think they could cut down on injurys more with track changes and slowing the riders down but that would only be a band aid, I wish I had the answer.
It's tough to make a lot of forms of protection mandatory,virtually all the products out there would help you in.some shape or form,but apart from a few items like helmets and boots it's hard to force riders to wear certain items Unfortunately being the same as those guys mentioned i'm totally convinced if the Leatt was out at the time it would've saved the severity of my injury at C6,looking at the crash and the impact damage of the helmet etc,even pushing with magazine articles etc of this new product very few (Speedway) guys were interested at all,people are fickle and reluctant to even try things let alone change all too often
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"Now, I don't believe that any piece of equipment will prevent all injuries...but, as someone else said...every little bit helps.

With the exception of a neck brace...I wear every piece of body protection I can when I ride..."

This seems like a contradiction.
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yzjs7 wrote:
I had shoulder pads on and still seperated my shoulder. It's there body and there choice.
Likewise.

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