Deegans kid DQ'd at Oakhill?

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this whole thing is just plain sad. sad for the kids now being labled, sad for the cheating parent, sad for the jelous goof protesting a 7 year old....where's the fun in being a kid in all this?
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Wow...seven pages on a 50cc kid getting dq'd at a national...I wil say this.... DIFRANCESCO are good people.
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hammertime wrote:
this whole thing is just plain sad. sad for the kids now being labled, sad for the cheating parent, sad for the jelous goof protesting a...
this whole thing is just plain sad. sad for the kids now being labled, sad for the cheating parent, sad for the jelous goof protesting a 7 year old....where's the fun in being a kid in all this?
It is a sad situation. It's sad that lil Deegan will now be labeled a cheater because of his dad's stupid actions but why would you say that the dad who protested is a jealous goof? His kid usually kicks butt with top podium finishes so I'm sure he's not jealous or envious of any other mini race teams imo.
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3/19/2014 6:09pm Edited Date/Time 3/19/2014 6:31pm
NITRODOG wrote:
Wow...seven pages on a 50cc kid getting dq'd at a national...I wil say this.... DIFRANCESCO are good people.
You'll see longer threads about what color seat cover villopoto is gonna run this week, or some shit like that.

Heard Garrett Marchbanks got airlifted out of Freestone today, hope its not true.

Difrancesco killed it today.

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it's just a sad commentary on the integrity(or lack thereof) of some of the members here trying to rationalize cheating.

breaking the rules?? what rules??? they don't apply to ME, I am above the rules...... besides, it's only 3cc, what is that among friends and competitors, just ride faster you whining squid....

I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning, it smells so.......... summers eveish...
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kids that age are just innocent little rascals...and think how this fucks up their fun and creates enemies at an age when it should be all about making friends! adults are stupid!! goofs!
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Hammertime gets it.
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CCMX wrote:
You'll see longer threads about what color seat cover villopoto is gonna run this week, or some shit like that. Heard Garrett Marchbanks got airlifted out...
You'll see longer threads about what color seat cover villopoto is gonna run this week, or some shit like that.

Heard Garrett Marchbanks got airlifted out of Freestone today, hope its not true.

Difrancesco killed it today.
I heard there were several airlifts today- does anyone have any reliable updates on these riders?
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CCMX wrote:
You'll see longer threads about what color seat cover villopoto is gonna run this week, or some shit like that. Heard Garrett Marchbanks got airlifted out...
You'll see longer threads about what color seat cover villopoto is gonna run this week, or some shit like that.

Heard Garrett Marchbanks got airlifted out of Freestone today, hope its not true.

Difrancesco killed it today.
Squid-mom wrote:
I heard there were several airlifts today- does anyone have any reliable updates on these riders?
Unfortunately amateur motocross is not very big on here, any news would be good.
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It has been interesting going through this thread and seeing just who has admitted they have cheated all their lives in MX / SX, their take on other threads makes more sense now.

Most kids have their Character set roughly by the time they reach 10 as most youth programs try to teach kids under ten as it costs less than having to deal with teens or adults. Youth to most studies are up to 25.

We ran an Indigenous program for about 10 kids, and it was amazing how much dicipline they got out of MX as if they didn't go to school, or played up No Ride. We looked after 13 bikes at the time and not being up to Billy's mechanical status we struggled a lot but with Practice 2 days a week and racing Sunday when they had to have a sober adult to help flag etc, it was hard.
After 12 months the program closed as it was too much work for me and the family and we had used my 2 Son's grants to pay for the shortfall from funding. Took all on the bus to Darwin to race and all riders had to sell 100 tickets at $2 each and didnt matter if they lost them or had them stolen (which happened) they were responsible.

4 of the kids I have met many times since and they are still so respectful and while only one is racing fulltime the others help him in the pits, they are so well mannered I should take some lessons from them.

It is absolute bullshit people saying all riders cheat bla bla bla, having gutless officials is the main reason this has got way out of hand. We advised the steward at an Aussie Championship that we would be filing a protest on the 65cc and 85cc class, all riders. Wow the 3 main riders were so much slower the next day and they had special paint which they copied on the 85cc but it was picked up and reason accepted by the Steward who was mostly asleep in the tower.

Life is so easy when you don't lie, thieve or kill as by most of you that is ok as everyone does it. Honesty is so easy but so hard for someone else to accept. Good Luck Master Deegan reckon you may need it. Under MA rules the rider is responsible for all actions by anyone associated with him, 3 months for cheating, 24 months for Daddy and mechanic. too fukin easy.
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I never cheated,didnt give a shit if someone did,just more incentive to beat their ass.

Life aint fair,they will always race a bike that is fasteR
3/19/2014 9:27pm
hammertime wrote:
this whole thing is just plain sad. sad for the kids now being labled, sad for the cheating parent, sad for the jelous goof protesting a...
this whole thing is just plain sad. sad for the kids now being labled, sad for the cheating parent, sad for the jelous goof protesting a 7 year old....where's the fun in being a kid in all this?
BBA wrote:
It is a sad situation. It's sad that lil Deegan will now be labeled a cheater because of his dad's stupid actions but why would you...
It is a sad situation. It's sad that lil Deegan will now be labeled a cheater because of his dad's stupid actions but why would you say that the dad who protested is a jealous goof? His kid usually kicks butt with top podium finishes so I'm sure he's not jealous or envious of any other mini race teams imo.
Degan was a cheater , he admitted running an overbore when he won his SX race.
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3/19/2014 10:11pm
hammertime wrote:
kids that age are just innocent little rascals...and think how this fucks up their fun and creates enemies at an age when it should be all...
kids that age are just innocent little rascals...and think how this fucks up their fun and creates enemies at an age when it should be all about making friends! adults are stupid!! goofs!
Hell yeah Hammer! Good friggin' post!
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Heard Marchbanks is going to be ok, bruised up and some swelling around his spine. Few days in the hospital though. I think he may have landed on Swoll but not sure. Several others injured there today as well. If I hear something I will post.
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From Cobra Talk

"Have heard Swoll is ok.. nothing broke. Marchbanks flight precautionary.. Joey Crown took a flight yesterday for leg injury.. and possibly another flight going out today for Hoeft.. rough few days at Freestone.. would rather be talking about protests and stuff.."
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From Cobra Talk "Have heard Swoll is ok.. nothing broke. Marchbanks flight precautionary.. Joey Crown took a flight yesterday for leg injury.. and possibly another flight...
From Cobra Talk

"Have heard Swoll is ok.. nothing broke. Marchbanks flight precautionary.. Joey Crown took a flight yesterday for leg injury.. and possibly another flight going out today for Hoeft.. rough few days at Freestone.. would rather be talking about protests and stuff.."
Thanks for the update- glad it was not anything too serious for all of those involved.
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hillbilly wrote:
I never cheated,didnt give a shit if someone did,just more incentive to beat their ass.

Life aint fair,they will always race a bike that is fasteR
Good stuff as always hillbilly and I couldn't agree more. You and hammertime get it.
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Deegans kid didnt win the race or any race that day it took ryder d a few more laps to get by him but even with the motor he didnt win. but it was nice to see ryder in a good battle even if it was for 3 laps...deegans son isnt expected to win this year if he does that would be great but its next year that you will see the kid on the podium all the time .
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Langhammx wrote:
There's more to this story than has been mentioned in this thread. I am not a big fan of Brian Deegan's antics or the Metal Mullisha...
There's more to this story than has been mentioned in this thread. I am not a big fan of Brian Deegan's antics or the Metal Mullisha, but he's actually a pretty good guy and a great dad. Yeah, I get the whole "teaching your kid to cheat" and also the threatening that SUPPOSEDLY happened. I'm not down with any of that either, although it think it got blown out of proportion.
Not sure if the bike was knowingly ridden as a "cheater bike" or not, but either way he was DQed and life will go on.

Brian had invited and had the kids family over to his house to practice on his track that he built for his son. I'm talking about the kid that won... That is where the protest came from in the first place. Deegan's kid and the kid that won, have been close in speed for awhile. So after chumming it up with the Deegan's family and spending time with them, they got beat and couldn't handle it. The Cobra is a better/ faster bike and even with the "minor" 2cc that Deegan's bike had, didn't make it faster/ better than the Cobra. In this class, it IS 90% rider! too bad it had to end like this! Deegan's kid looses in the end.

I went through the 50cc pee wee class from the PW50's thru the A class with my son ('93-'07). Spent a LOT of time around the Alessi family at the races and can tell you that for all you "Alessi Haters" that Mike Alessi was the FASTEST/ most talented Pee Wee rider I've ever seen. He's been torn down more than anyone in history and don't think he was ever found guilty of cheating. He was one of the smallest riders with the biggest set of balls. To be clear... I'm NOT a Alessi nut hugger, just stating facts. He's obviously been raised to be a MX racer and hasn't had an education. His actions on the track, as an adult, show his lack of respect of others and lack of good decision making. I honestly feel bad for him, once the MX/SX career is over, he's going to have a SERIOUS reality check. The money he's made is gone, from what I've heard, Tony left his career as a trash man to be at Mikes side, he's going to be in a bad place too....

Cheating has been going on for many years and it will continue. I bet at least 50% of the riders in that class had something illegal on their bike. FLAME ON....
JBlain619 wrote:
Where do you see that Hayden is faster than Ryder??? This 22 second gap tells me a completely different story. Hayden didn't win either moto. 50...
Where do you see that Hayden is faster than Ryder??? This 22 second gap tells me a completely different story. Hayden didn't win either moto.

50 4-9 Open
1st - RYDER DIFRANCESCO
BAKERSFIELD, CA
#199 - COB 02:00.000
00.00.000
1st 02:41.006
00.00.000
1st 02:42.521
00.00.000
1st 02:42.798
00.00.000
1st

DQ - HAIDEN DEEGAN
TEMECULA, CA
#238 - KTM 02:05.853
05.853
2nd 02:44.784
09.631
2nd 02:43.862
10.972
2nd 02:53.830
22.004
2nd


50 7-8 Mod
1st - RYDER DIFRANCESCO
BAKERSFIELD, CA
#199 - COB 02:00.594
00.594
2nd 02:37.972
00.00.000
1st 02:38.897
00.00.000
1st 02:41.817
00.00.000
1st


DQ - HAIDEN DEEGAN
TEMECULA, CA
#238 - KTM 02:00.000
00.00.000
1st 02:42.173
03.607
2nd 02:39.902
04.612
2nd 02:46.272
09.067
2nd
Dude comes in here with his "inside info" that's fucking WRONG! Get your head out of your ass and do a quick search on the www before you display your BS. Laughing
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Woobia 22 wrote:
It has been interesting going through this thread and seeing just who has admitted they have cheated all their lives in MX / SX, their take...
It has been interesting going through this thread and seeing just who has admitted they have cheated all their lives in MX / SX, their take on other threads makes more sense now.

Most kids have their Character set roughly by the time they reach 10 as most youth programs try to teach kids under ten as it costs less than having to deal with teens or adults. Youth to most studies are up to 25.

We ran an Indigenous program for about 10 kids, and it was amazing how much dicipline they got out of MX as if they didn't go to school, or played up No Ride. We looked after 13 bikes at the time and not being up to Billy's mechanical status we struggled a lot but with Practice 2 days a week and racing Sunday when they had to have a sober adult to help flag etc, it was hard.
After 12 months the program closed as it was too much work for me and the family and we had used my 2 Son's grants to pay for the shortfall from funding. Took all on the bus to Darwin to race and all riders had to sell 100 tickets at $2 each and didnt matter if they lost them or had them stolen (which happened) they were responsible.

4 of the kids I have met many times since and they are still so respectful and while only one is racing fulltime the others help him in the pits, they are so well mannered I should take some lessons from them.

It is absolute bullshit people saying all riders cheat bla bla bla, having gutless officials is the main reason this has got way out of hand. We advised the steward at an Aussie Championship that we would be filing a protest on the 65cc and 85cc class, all riders. Wow the 3 main riders were so much slower the next day and they had special paint which they copied on the 85cc but it was picked up and reason accepted by the Steward who was mostly asleep in the tower.

Life is so easy when you don't lie, thieve or kill as by most of you that is ok as everyone does it. Honesty is so easy but so hard for someone else to accept. Good Luck Master Deegan reckon you may need it. Under MA rules the rider is responsible for all actions by anyone associated with him, 3 months for cheating, 24 months for Daddy and mechanic. too fukin easy.
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In every aspect of life for kids and adults, rules are rules. Live inside them, or at some point they bite you in the ass.

It's too bad when we make decisions that negatively impact our kids.

For those feeling this situation was somehow was justified by doing this because "it happens all the time", it appears you're wrong.

The LL process is one of the most interesting and fun family racing things any of us can do. There's so much at stake for some of the families, it makes some do things they normally wouldn't..

It's not that difficult to follow the printed guidelines or ask questions before getting called out on the carpet.
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Cheating at racing? This is blasphemy!!!!! This is the first time this has ever happened!!!!
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PED's in the National Amateur 50cc classes is what we should be talking about. No way Deegan Jr. and Ryder Difrancesco aren't on Growth Hormone or blood doping Sideways
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I don't understand why this has made 7 pages...does anyone truly care why he was DQ'd
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So what happens if you refuse to let someone claim your bike?
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Cant believe cheating is part of it. I remember in aus every body going on about my kids winning..
" pull them bikes down" funny thing was, my kids had never owned new bikes and there sponsor bought the bikes on the way to the nationals, off the show room floor. Biggest buzz when he announced, "none of these bolts have ever been undone" i really believe that no one who can ride would cheat.
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HEY LANGHAMMX YOUR ABOUT AN IDIOT. RYDERS DAD DIDNT HAVE ANYTHING to do with the protest and i hate to break the news to you deegans kid never beat ryder ..you cant believe everything you hear. you need to get your facts straight and why the hell would ryders parents need to protest when the kid wins by a mile or chum up to deegan when ryder had already won lorettas twice and looks like hes well on his way to a record breaking 3rd championship.anything can happen at lorettas so you never can guarantee a win at the ranch but he will be the favorite to win his 3rd title,, with out the help from deegan .if anything i would have to say it was the other way around and deegan had no clue what was going on in the 50 classs or amatuer motocross and ryders dad helped them out . hello open your eyes.. where have you ever seen they are close in speed ryder beat him by an average of what 35 sec in each moto that deegan wasnt running a bigger motor.. why do you think deegan gets the holeshot by 7 or 8 bike lengths everytime in the gold cup . the way i see it deegan shoul;d have ryder down there to practice with everyday thats how he would get faster by chasing ryder everyday after a few months he would be able to match ryders speed . ryder and jett reynolds have chaSED each other around for hundreds of hours actually thousands of hours on a track thats so rough it makes the real racetracks look smooth .they have put there time in and continue to put the time in that it takes to be a champion like they both are. and im sure deegan will also be one day . ryder has worked his but off to get where hes at especially being the smallest one in his class. im not getting down on hayden at all im just stating facts.thats it
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