Deegans kid DQ'd at Oakhill?

dirthead1 wrote:

You his mother?

PJ205 wrote:

As a matter of fact, yes... yes I am! You tone it down, young man.

dirthead1 wrote:

Deegan is a douche. Always has been and always will be. Now he gets to perpetuate his deal with his own offspring . Stoked. I would...

Deegan is a douche. Always has been and always will be. Now he gets to perpetuate his deal with his own offspring . Stoked. I would never want to be him. Never. The Universe gets to deal with him and will.

Building and using cheater motors in any motorsport is the way shitty builders and talentless assholes (and their talentless asshole kids) have always been doing it since the beginning of racing.

hillbilly wrote:

Yep,why not ride your bike and beat them ,then they are really pissed.

Jtommr wrote:

Apparently he didn't admit it to his kid. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/03/17/48605/s1200_dbd.jpg[/img]

Apparently he didn't admit it to his kid.

daveoevo wrote:

Most people who cheat dont believe they are cheating, just levelling the playing field. Know someone who races a 125 championship here in the uk and...

Most people who cheat dont believe they are cheating, just levelling the playing field.
Know someone who races a 125 championship here in the uk and went to put a new piston in only to find it was a 136cc. He said well everyone else is doing it.

daveoevo wrote:

Most people who cheat dont believe they are cheating, just levelling the playing field. Know someone who races a 125 championship here in the uk and...

Most people who cheat dont believe they are cheating, just levelling the playing field.
Know someone who races a 125 championship here in the uk and went to put a new piston in only to find it was a 136cc. He said well everyone else is doing it.

Ghost of Jabroni wrote:

This is oh so true. Motorsports always have, and always will, be about who can cheat the best. Especially when spec rules are in place. Just...

This is oh so true.

Motorsports always have, and always will, be about who can cheat the best. Especially when spec rules are in place. Just part of the game.

I wish we could all get past that and take away the negative stigma that comes with cheating and getting caught. That way, a offender found guilty doesnt have to try to save face by bashing the tech inspectors or the protesting family. Deegan could just say, oh well, you caught me. Snicker, and walk off. Come back to the next race on a legal bike, or with some other trick up his sleeve.

Cheating only sucks when nobody is policing it (thus the reason I think AMA Pro Racing is such a joke).

But if there is someone policing it, and people are getting caught, then what is the fuss? Are we really going to crucify Deegan for being a dad who is hyper competitive and wants the best for his kid? Deegan is no different than any other dad on that line.

Show me a pro that claims to have made it thru their entire career without "cheating" at least once and I'll show you a liar. Anyone that has found a trick advantage, will do it if they think they will get away with it. And if youre not one of those people and you cannot relate, then this discussion is not for you. Youre not on the level of "competitive" Im referencing.

smrscott wrote:

Big bores are noting new in the Two-Stroke world. The rules used to - and some still allow- for overbore cylinders. Remember when some of these...

Big bores are noting new in the Two-Stroke world. The rules used to - and some still allow- for overbore cylinders. Remember when some of these rules were originally put on paper cylinders sleeves were steel and you had to allow for over-sized pistons. Some organizations allowed 4-5 oversized pistons, the manufactures used to offer 2-3 oversized pistons and the aftermarket offered way larger sizes.

Back in 125 supercross days so many racers were running big-bore bikes, probably and maybe even Brian Deegan. Like a poster said, they only tech the top three bikes but the guys trying to get into the night show or a main even would do whatever it took to make the main, and sometimes it was in the form of big bores. And they didn't always tear the bikes down unless there were questions.

It is not right but it has been going on since the dawn of motocross. Deegan shame on you!

daveoevo wrote:

Most people who cheat dont believe they are cheating, just levelling the playing field. Know someone who races a 125 championship here in the uk and...

Most people who cheat dont believe they are cheating, just levelling the playing field.
Know someone who races a 125 championship here in the uk and went to put a new piston in only to find it was a 136cc. He said well everyone else is doing it.

Ghost of Jabroni wrote:

This is oh so true. Motorsports always have, and always will, be about who can cheat the best. Especially when spec rules are in place. Just...

This is oh so true.

Motorsports always have, and always will, be about who can cheat the best. Especially when spec rules are in place. Just part of the game.

I wish we could all get past that and take away the negative stigma that comes with cheating and getting caught. That way, a offender found guilty doesnt have to try to save face by bashing the tech inspectors or the protesting family. Deegan could just say, oh well, you caught me. Snicker, and walk off. Come back to the next race on a legal bike, or with some other trick up his sleeve.

Cheating only sucks when nobody is policing it (thus the reason I think AMA Pro Racing is such a joke).

But if there is someone policing it, and people are getting caught, then what is the fuss? Are we really going to crucify Deegan for being a dad who is hyper competitive and wants the best for his kid? Deegan is no different than any other dad on that line.

Show me a pro that claims to have made it thru their entire career without "cheating" at least once and I'll show you a liar. Anyone that has found a trick advantage, will do it if they think they will get away with it. And if youre not one of those people and you cannot relate, then this discussion is not for you. Youre not on the level of "competitive" Im referencing.

slipdog wrote:

I never cheated.

Jtommr wrote:

Apparently he didn't admit it to his kid. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/03/17/48605/s1200_dbd.jpg[/img]

Apparently he didn't admit it to his kid.

Jtommr wrote:

Apparently he didn't admit it to his kid. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/03/17/48605/s1200_dbd.jpg[/img]

Apparently he didn't admit it to his kid.

JeepnMike wrote:

I am not trying to be condescending, but you don't seriously think a 7 year old typed that post do you? In 1st grade you are...

I am not trying to be condescending, but you don't seriously think a 7 year old typed that post do you? In 1st grade you are learning punctuation.. Complete sentences, proper punctuation, basic words are something he would just be learning in a good school. The post above was likely written by his father.

motoxtred wrote:

I read this 7 or 8 years ago from the KTM Bible. I've never forgotten it. 8. DO NOT CHEAT- It never ceases to amaze me...

I read this 7 or 8 years ago from the KTM Bible. I've never forgotten it.

8. DO NOT CHEAT- It never ceases to amaze me that some parents think winning a race for 4-6 year olds is important enough for them to cheat. We have seen and protested kids with 60cc pistons running in the 50cc shaft class. Parents who succumb to the pressure to run illegal bikes are doing a disservice to their kids. I wonder how they explain it to their child when they get caught? Well Johnny, I didn’t think you were as good as the other kids so I made your bike faster so you could win? I also do not buy the excuse that you have to cheat because everyone else does. If you think someone is cheating, and you need to be pretty sure you are right, file a protest. That’s why the protest procedure is in the rulebook. If you happen to
be wrong, apologize and hope the protested party takes it as a compliment.

mom241 wrote:

Har. I can tell you stories about KTM when my boys were on 50's. They're hands aren't clean either.

steveada wrote:

Yeah, I remember back when I was on 50's I used to hate when my regular mechanic was busy and my backup mechanic had to do...

Yeah, I remember back when I was on 50's I used to hate when my regular mechanic was busy and my backup mechanic had to do something, he always screwed up. We also always kept a good selection of cheater parts on hand, not to actually use, just to confuse the back up mechanic. Good story Deegan, at least a 10 y/o would believe it.

motoxtred wrote:

I read this 7 or 8 years ago from the KTM Bible. I've never forgotten it. 8. DO NOT CHEAT- It never ceases to amaze me...

I read this 7 or 8 years ago from the KTM Bible. I've never forgotten it.

8. DO NOT CHEAT- It never ceases to amaze me that some parents think winning a race for 4-6 year olds is important enough for them to cheat. We have seen and protested kids with 60cc pistons running in the 50cc shaft class. Parents who succumb to the pressure to run illegal bikes are doing a disservice to their kids. I wonder how they explain it to their child when they get caught? Well Johnny, I didn’t think you were as good as the other kids so I made your bike faster so you could win? I also do not buy the excuse that you have to cheat because everyone else does. If you think someone is cheating, and you need to be pretty sure you are right, file a protest. That’s why the protest procedure is in the rulebook. If you happen to
be wrong, apologize and hope the protested party takes it as a compliment.

SlowOldGuy wrote:

I wrote this back in 2002 or so.

vanillaice782 wrote:

[b]Maybe this is all part of Brian's strategy to get his kid to race trucks instead. I heard him mention in an interview that he would...

Maybe this is all part of Brian's strategy to get his kid to race trucks instead. I heard him mention in an interview that he would rather have his kid racing trucks.

langhammx wrote:

REALLY ?? His kid has another 10 years, before he can even reach the pedals...

Jtommr wrote:

Apparently he didn't admit it to his kid. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/03/17/48605/s1200_dbd.jpg[/img]

Apparently he didn't admit it to his kid.

steveada wrote:

Yeah, I remember back when I was on 50's I used to hate when my regular mechanic was busy and my backup mechanic had to do...

Yeah, I remember back when I was on 50's I used to hate when my regular mechanic was busy and my backup mechanic had to do something, he always screwed up. We also always kept a good selection of cheater parts on hand, not to actually use, just to confuse the back up mechanic. Good story Deegan, at least a 10 y/o would believe it.

trailhopper wrote:

Holy crap. Didn't expect my silly little post would stir up such a storm. Carry on.

motoxtred wrote:

The sound you heard was the point zooming over your head.

motoxtred wrote:

The sound you heard was the point zooming over your head.

mom241 wrote:

Didn't hear a sound, so I guess you're wrong

motoxtred wrote:

The sound you heard was the point zooming over your head.

mom241 wrote:

Didn't hear a sound, so I guess you're wrong

motoxtred wrote:

There it goes again.

motoxtred wrote:

The sound you heard was the point zooming over your head.

mom241 wrote:

Didn't hear a sound, so I guess you're wrong

motoxtred wrote:

There it goes again.

mom241 wrote:

Didn't hear a sound, so I guess you're wrong

motoxtred wrote:

There it goes again.

mom241 wrote:

My point was that it seemed like the poster was believing that KTM has a sacred creed that they would never cheat. The fact is, I...

My point was that it seemed like the poster was believing that KTM has a sacred creed that they would never cheat. The fact is, I know differently. Does that help? Geez

Woobia 22 wrote:

So I am a dipshit and you are a Wanker Billy, so be it. Couldn't give a fuk what you call me cunt. I sent my...

So I am a dipshit and you are a Wanker Billy, so be it. Couldn't give a fuk what you call me cunt.
I sent my motor to PC because we had sfa for racing that year as for each round we have to travel over 5000 klm. I asked my son what would you like as his RM 85 was 2 years old and said we could get finance for a new one or we can get PC to rebuild bottom end and head $2k approx , carby work done with extra Original Suzuki parts and pistons supplied. We are only allowed to race with pump fuel at 98 octane. I was an official level 3 at most diciplines., NO way I would ever cheat.

He went well in the titles but last round was crook as a dog and he flew down, rang me before final moto and he only had to finish in front of 1 rider, So Dipshit me says see how long you can hang on for, if you get buggerred let him past and follow. Well Holeshot and when he lets the other rider past he does a MA on him he panicks and all over, 1 point from the Title. Mate at track rang me and said why the fuck did you tell him that for as he knew that was what we would do in final motos when in front overall.

Took same bike to nationals demanded we get tested and holeshot most races against the factory 150's of Honda ridden by 2 pros now, led one race till 2 corners to go and pulled over, found out later bike was shorting out from worn wiring, Was told later that most teams were using foam or something in the carbys to hold rocket juice for holeshot. The guy that told me said it was an old trick and that was why they didnt start the 150's till the last 30 secs, having it warmed up prior. Abia was in top 3 every start on the RM 85 and the 125. Blew the RM 125 up at 40.1 and borrowed a YZ and still got holeshot.

It isn't the bikes it is the riders that make the biggest difference , then fuel IMO. As long as all is matched in motor.

We enjoyed our time in MX and hopefully my eldest Son will once again ride if he wants to.
we spent a fortune and still owe heaps but I wouldn't change anything except losing Abia while Racing / practicing when the RM250 F jumped out of gear. with 28 hrs and race bike did same and it had 14 hrs, Unreal Suzuki changed 4th and 5th gears for following year Cunts.

Mr Deegan and your Homies let your Son decide what he wants to do and dont forget the Rule book is for Both the protection of Riders/Entrants and Officials, you cheat and get caught cop it like a man and not like a Lil Bitch. Wake the Fuk Up.

hillbilly wrote:

I just called mitch,told him I want a 750 in a 450 case. He said, "are you from Australia? Ever dipshit there wants one except this...

I just called mitch,told him I want a 750 in a 450 case.

He said, "are you from Australia? Ever dipshit there wants one except this one dipshit'

motoxtred wrote:

There it goes again.

mom241 wrote:

My point was that it seemed like the poster was believing that KTM has a sacred creed that they would never cheat. The fact is, I...

My point was that it seemed like the poster was believing that KTM has a sacred creed that they would never cheat. The fact is, I know differently. Does that help? Geez

neverwasfastenuf wrote:

I'm not sure you can help him through this one.

Mr. Info wrote:

I am sure this happened at other qualifiers and just becasue it's not a name we all know it does not appear. If your going to...

I am sure this happened at other qualifiers and just becasue it's not a name we all know it does not appear. If your going to throw out name of people protested put them all out there either found guilty or not. About half the people on this post do not know Brian other than what you see on TV. He is not a bad guy at all. It's over Johnny. Let it go.

Juss wrote:

Hell even RC got caught cheating. What did he do? He told the AMA to go fuck themselves! Then he said if the AMA didn't give...

Hell even RC got caught cheating. What did he do? He told the AMA to go fuck themselves! Then he said if the AMA didn't give him back his points, he would quit. Funny how both CR & JS lost points in the nats for the same thing. lol

mom241 wrote:

Didn't hear a sound, so I guess you're wrong

motoxtred wrote:

There it goes again.

jeffro503 wrote:

Instead of trying to insult Mom here......why don't you enlighten us all with your wisdom.....instead of acting like a jackass? 8 friggin' posts and the guy...

Instead of trying to insult Mom here......why don't you enlighten us all with your wisdom.....instead of acting like a jackass? 8 friggin' posts and the guy knows everything. ( on this account anyways )