Roczen as good as gone?

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edub 3/11/2014 6:24am
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Can´t imagine that this guy lets a jewel like Ken Roczen go. He could buy the whole AMA SX Series out of his pocket.
So why let Ken go to the big green competition?
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Pryda 3/11/2014 6:33am
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Is Dungey running spring or an air shock like Roczen is? (not sure if roczen still use this).
Dungey have crashed 2 times in the whoops this year. 1 "cost" him the win (he was leading).
If the suspension is such a big problem, why cant they just use something else and slap WP stickers on it?
So many people are hating on the KTM suspension
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AP_151 3/11/2014 6:40am
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GuyB wrote:
Not sure how a rider with Red Bull as a sponsor would work on the Monster Kawasak team...
Exactly. Makes TwoTwo a slight possibility if he really liked the Kawi but I highly doubt Chad can pay him and that Red Bull would want him on green, so if he's going anywhere at all it's gotta be RCH. Can't see him going to JGR.
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AP_151 3/11/2014 6:45am
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Pryda wrote:
Is Dungey running spring or an air shock like Roczen is? (not sure if roczen still use this). Dungey have crashed 2 times in the whoops...
Is Dungey running spring or an air shock like Roczen is? (not sure if roczen still use this).
Dungey have crashed 2 times in the whoops this year. 1 "cost" him the win (he was leading).
If the suspension is such a big problem, why cant they just use something else and slap WP stickers on it?
So many people are hating on the KTM suspension
They had a problem with the air shock in practice at one of the early rounds and Roger said they were gonna take it off for the day and Roczen said if we're taking it off today we're sticking with the standard shock all season. That's how I remember it anyway.

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davistld01 3/11/2014 6:51am
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In my opinion, the main reason Roczen & Dungey have won races is primarily due to them being Roczen & Dungey. It's not because the KTM is the best bike on the track or not. Both those guys could win on any factory bike on the line because they are championship caliber riders. But, Kenny would be stupid not to go where he feels he can get paid what he's worth, and be on a bike that he feels gives him the best chance of winning a championship on. As far as the RedBull deal goes...maybe Monster would pony up the bucks for his own deal a la Reed's deal with TwoTwo (whatever that amounts to)...or maybe he could negotiate his own deal with RedBull a la Stewart.

I think both Roczen & Dungey have done more to make KTM what it is today than KTM has done to make those two riders what they are today.
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GuyB wrote:
Not sure how a rider with Red Bull as a sponsor would work on the Monster Kawasak team...
AP_151 wrote:
Exactly. Makes TwoTwo a slight possibility if he really liked the Kawi but I highly doubt Chad can pay him and that Red Bull would want...
Exactly. Makes TwoTwo a slight possibility if he really liked the Kawi but I highly doubt Chad can pay him and that Red Bull would want him on green, so if he's going anywhere at all it's gotta be RCH. Can't see him going to JGR.
I believe Monster is a Chad Reed sponsor, not a TwoTwo sponsor, so that shouldn't matter
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FreshTopEnd 3/11/2014 7:35am
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GuyB wrote:
Not sure how a rider with Red Bull as a sponsor would work on the Monster Kawasak team...
Brent wrote:
James Stewart?
2007?
He was already under contract with Kawi when they leaned on him when Monster came on board, and he left Kawi when that deal was done. Why Stew left may be why KR wouldn't go there.

It'll sort out. But KTM does have a lot of top guys to pay.
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davistld01 3/11/2014 7:56am
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A RedBull logo would look weird on a Kawasaki. Not so much on a Suzuki though...even an RCH one.
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jasen.bougher 3/11/2014 8:43am
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jasen.bougher wrote:
Suzuki never went through bankruptcy. American Suzuki did, big difference . You also constantly hear rumors of dungey, millsaps Etc not liking the bike
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I think its fair to say that you have heard that from a rider on just about every color.....
Well atleast yammie Honda and ktm
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jasen.bougher wrote:
Suzuki never went through bankruptcy. American Suzuki did, big difference . You also constantly hear rumors of dungey, millsaps Etc not liking the bike
Huckster wrote:
I think its fair to say that you have heard that from a rider on just about every color.....
jasen.bougher wrote:
Well atleast yammie Honda and ktm
Chad's first go round with Kawasaki didnt go to well either .
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DEMONDAVE 3/11/2014 9:12am
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ok my lawn guys helper who has inside knowledge says.
dungey and peick to RCH
roczen to FACTORY KAWI
whimer out at kawi perhaps in at JGR-
Grant out at JGR
Milsaps to FACTORY KTM vice Dungey
Anderson to FACTORY KTM vice Roczen
he had more but i went inside to get a beer.
shredder22 3/11/2014 9:15am
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Huckster wrote:
I think its fair to say that you have heard that from a rider on just about every color.....
jasen.bougher wrote:
Well atleast yammie Honda and ktm
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Chad's first go round with Kawasaki didnt go to well either .
Chad's one of the best of all time, but when he gets it in his head that the bike isn't "working" for him, then it's pretty much all down hill from there. When Chad feels comfortable, he's able to push and win/contend for wins. When he doesn't feel comfortable on a bike, he' just gonna keep it safe. His second time around with Kawasaki started off pretty well.
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redrider52 3/11/2014 9:29am
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GuyB wrote:
Not sure how a rider with Red Bull as a sponsor would work on the Monster Kawasak team...
Stewart did it on 07-08 if i remember correctly
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Ten years ago, who would of ever thought that little cans of poison beverages would determine what bike a pro motocross champ rides?
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GrapeApe 3/11/2014 9:32am
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GuyB wrote:
Not sure how a rider with Red Bull as a sponsor would work on the Monster Kawasak team...
redrider52 wrote:
Stewart did it on 07-08 if i remember correctly


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Brent 3/11/2014 9:36am
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Brent wrote:
James Stewart?
2007?
GuyB wrote:
I've heard rumors of Ken signing a long-term personal deal with Red Bull. I've also heard rumors of Ken ending up at RCH. As for good...
I've heard rumors of Ken signing a long-term personal deal with Red Bull.

I've also heard rumors of Ken ending up at RCH.

As for good as gone? There's a lot of season left both for SX and outdoors.
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There you go!

Mark it down as so!
Ok, but the RCH team has a co- owner who is a general in the Monster Army.

Carmichael wears a monster logo everywhere he goes, could he and his rider (speculation) Roczen ever pose in a pic together??

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peelout 3/11/2014 10:26am
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anyone remember when the Monster Energy Supercross broadcast blurred out Travis Pastrana's Red Bull hat logo?
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1488 3/11/2014 10:40am
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wheres teamgreen??

i thought the ktm was the best thing since sliced bread.

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SEE ARE125 3/11/2014 10:41am
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peelout wrote:
anyone remember when the Monster Energy Supercross broadcast blurred out Travis Pastrana's Red Bull hat logo?
That's funny. I remember Stewart moving a Monster can out from in front of him at a press conference though. Someone called him out on it, and he said those cans were blocking the sponsors on his shirt. lol
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GuyB wrote:
Not sure how a rider with Red Bull as a sponsor would work on the Monster Kawasak team...
redrider52 wrote:
Stewart did it on 07-08 if i remember correctly
No matter what the topic is, I always laugh when you post something! That Alessi pic will never get old!!!
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GuyB wrote:
Not sure how a rider with Red Bull as a sponsor would work on the Monster Kawasak team...
redrider52 wrote:
Stewart did it on 07-08 if i remember correctly
dirtjumpcycle wrote:
No matter what the topic is, I always laugh when you post something! That Alessi pic will never get old!!!
X2! It's such a deep picture. It's funny, sad and happy all at the same time.
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malachi177 3/11/2014 11:07am
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The Rock wrote:
Suzuki corporate been through bankruptcy with unknown commitment to off road in the future. KTM sales up 28 percent and involved in all types of off...
Suzuki corporate been through bankruptcy with unknown commitment to off road in the future.

KTM sales up 28 percent and involved in all types of off road racing.


Who would you ride for? How bad can the bike be if he won two 450 mains it?
Good griefLaughing Suzuki corporate has been through bankruptcy, that's funny!! Suzuk's car division in North America went under,,,,,because it was losing money bigtime. Elsewhere in the world their auto's sell well. They're concentrating on their powersports division in North America. Suzuki is doing just fine $$$$ wise.
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TeamGreen 3/11/2014 11:15am
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He'll be on a new brand that'll have a new bike (450) and the team will have an even better sponsorship package in '15.
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kwhite199 3/11/2014 11:27am
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TeamGreen wrote:
He'll be on a new brand that'll have a new bike (450) and the team will have an even better sponsorship package in '15.
That sounds a little like RCH Wink
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Ing 3/11/2014 11:35am
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Yea, the KTM is clearly a POS. 3 out of the top 5 or 4 out of the top 8 this weekend at Daytona 450 class. What a pile of crap.
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Huckster 3/11/2014 12:16pm
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Just wondering out loud, if you were a team manger, company head and you knew one of your top dogs was testing another bike and was planning on leaving next year, how much effort would you be putting on making that bike better for him if he was struggling with set up during this sx season?
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Getndome 3/11/2014 12:43pm
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I think somehow he ends up at kawasaki also because why else would it be okay for villopoto to go on camera numerous times and say if he can't win he wants Roczen to win Even though he has an actual teammate who is also racing
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I think somehow he ends up at kawasaki also because why else would it be okay for villopoto to go on camera numerous times and say...
I think somehow he ends up at kawasaki also because why else would it be okay for villopoto to go on camera numerous times and say if he can't win he wants Roczen to win Even though he has an actual teammate who is also racing
Because the honey badger don't give a shit.
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BobPA 3/11/2014 12:56pm
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1488 wrote:
wheres teamgreen??

i thought the ktm was the best thing since sliced bread.
All I have seen from you on here is shit talking of KTM, have you even ridden a modern one? You sound like you have based your opinion on the late 90's early 2000's Katooms.

I was on Kawasaki 10 years and switched to KTM when the 350 came out. It took me a month but I have my bike set up and I feel as comfortable as ever. All the bikes produced today are great....get over it.
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IceMan446 3/11/2014 12:59pm
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Getndome wrote:
I think somehow he ends up at kawasaki also because why else would it be okay for villopoto to go on camera numerous times and say...
I think somehow he ends up at kawasaki also because why else would it be okay for villopoto to go on camera numerous times and say if he can't win he wants Roczen to win Even though he has an actual teammate who is also racing
And lose Red Bull????? Dumb move.

No matter what a team gives him for a salary, the dude is going to make bank from Red Bull. Like James, I would never give that up to ride a Kawi. Money is a motivator and he will show that.

Roczen can and will win on another brand. He has ties to Suzuki, he could stay at KTM but I dont think Kawi is in the cards with Red Bull being a personal sponsor.

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