Roczen as good as gone?

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davistld01 3/16/2014 4:37pm
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After his bike problems & resulting poor results at Detroit, I see Kenny being less & less excited at being on a KTM.
Ing wrote:
So having a rock stuck in your chain is a result of it being a KTM? What a maroon.
Yeah, you're right. That would be like me saying Vital sucks just because you're here.
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
Dafuq, how does KTM let anyone outbid them?
Maybe the desire for the 94 from other MFG's is that high. And i truely can't blame them. If you want championships in the next decade he is the guy to have on your machinery. No one can denie the biggest growing talent, at the moment, is the 94.
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mattmcphail 3/24/2014 10:22am
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Here's my prediction:

Roczen to RCH

Hill gone from JGR, maybe to a satellite team.

Bracia to JGR

Brayton Re-ups at JGR, Grant and Nicoletti gone. (Some rumors have Brayton at Monster Kawi but he lives and loves NC. I think he stays at JGR)

Dean to Monster Kawi (I think they outbid 22)

Mookie to Yosh Suzki (it's a stretch but think his brother being there and good results on a 450 could make it happen)

Seely to Muscle-Milk Honda. Tomac re-ups also


Wild Cards I'm still not sure of:

Who takes Roczen's place? Maybe Anderson although I could see him staying at Rockstart KTM
Peick? I could see him at RCH if they go with a 3 bike team.
Davalos?
Weimer?
Word is that either Rockstart or BTO will become a husqvarna team next year. The other will remain KTM.
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Motodave15 wrote:
kenny "supposedly" wants to switch teams this late/summer/fall.... My Theory is all hypothetical I see it as follows (Like a hockey coach would) Two Two- signs--Deano...
kenny "supposedly" wants to switch teams this late/summer/fall....

My Theory is all hypothetical

I see it as follows (Like a hockey coach would)

Two Two- signs--Deano - Cheaper (has huge upside, shown at daytona)...and reed may come back to ride

Factory RB Ktm- Drops Roczen, and sticks with Dungey (Dungey doesn't want to leave the man behind, Decoster)

ME Kawasaki- Drops weimer...maybe frees up enough space (money) to afford Adding roczen.. Still has RV for one more year. (Trying to build a dynasty as one guy said before)

Jgr- Keeps brayton and drops grant (May possibly go after Peick) if they cant get their hands on roczen fast enough or even weimer for that matter.

Rch- Goes heavy handed and tries to get peick, roczen, barcia... idk if hill or tickle stays onboard (Nor do i know their contract length's)

Honda- In a interesting position in my eyes.. They could possibly pay canard less (I don't know his contract either... but i know they're keeping him) and drop barcia.. Thus freeing up, money for a big move.... ala Roczen.. But i would think they will have their eye on seely because of his recent great performances.

yosh suzuki- Idk how much money they have left, but it would be possible for them to add Roczen too... if they put a bigger hole in the wallet. as this team is already sponsored by Red Bull

I Missed some, But in my non professional, slightly stoned opinion... I see Roczen ending up at Either.... Honda or Rch and a far jump to Yosh suzuki w/james
malachi177 wrote:
RCH has Hill and Tickle onboard right now.....not GrantSmile
@malachi177 u must be rlly baked hahah
rch already has peick and hot sauce is filling in for hill they dropped tickle

yosh suzuki stay same

ME kawi wont be the best team i heard rv is faking a knee injury and retiring going out on top not a bad idea

RB ktm keeps dungey picks up anderson roczen leave does not get dropped he want a suzuki i can see him going to yosh with bubba

MM honda keeps trey and barcia hates his honda so im not sure

JGR keeps brayton might get barcia

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hellion 5/13/2014 9:23am
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Wow! You waste your first post to tell everyone what we've all known for a month?
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hellion wrote:
Wow! You waste your first post to tell everyone what we've all known for a month?
Could be worse, his first post could have been insulting a mod Laughing I think he summarized half of the posts the past 3 months.
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1 out of 2 isn't bad.. In baseball you would be a hall of famer.
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Jt$ 5/13/2014 10:28am
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LaBossiereRacing wrote:
Baggett and Roczen to RCH next year. Stamped.
1 out of 2 isn't bad.. In baseball you would be a hall of famer..
LaBossiereRacing 5/13/2014 10:35am
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LaBossiereRacing wrote:
Baggett and Roczen to RCH next year. Stamped.
Jt$ wrote:
1 out of 2 isn't bad.. In baseball you would be a hall of famer..
A buddy of mine who works for suzuki, whom you definitely know personally, said about a week ago that Baggett going to RCH was "pretty much a done deal." interesting Info coming from all of you.
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Matthes 5/13/2014 10:37am
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LaBossiereRacing wrote:
A buddy of mine who works for suzuki, whom you definitely know personally, said about a week ago that Baggett going to RCH was "pretty much...
A buddy of mine who works for suzuki, whom you definitely know personally, said about a week ago that Baggett going to RCH was "pretty much a done deal." interesting Info coming from all of you.
There was talk about a month or two ago of Suzuki giving RCH a 250F program to run with one or two riders..RCH wanted a lot more commitment to run it right before they would agree.

Maybe this all fell into place and BB is indeed going there?
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Jt$ 5/13/2014 10:44am
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LaBossiereRacing wrote:
A buddy of mine who works for suzuki, whom you definitely know personally, said about a week ago that Baggett going to RCH was "pretty much...
A buddy of mine who works for suzuki, whom you definitely know personally, said about a week ago that Baggett going to RCH was "pretty much a done deal." interesting Info coming from all of you.
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There was talk about a month or two ago of Suzuki giving RCH a 250F program to run with one or two riders..RCH wanted a lot...
There was talk about a month or two ago of Suzuki giving RCH a 250F program to run with one or two riders..RCH wanted a lot more commitment to run it right before they would agree.

Maybe this all fell into place and BB is indeed going there?
Perhaps but I don't see it happening. RCH is going after a title with Roczen and a 250f program just muddies the waters.
LaBossiereRacing 5/13/2014 10:49am
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Perhaps but I don't see it happening. RCH is going after a title with Roczen and a 250f program just muddies the waters.
Very true. I guess we'll just have to wait and find out. But I'd definitely love to see Baggett on yellow.
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LaBossiereRacing wrote:
A buddy of mine who works for suzuki, whom you definitely know personally, said about a week ago that Baggett going to RCH was "pretty much...
A buddy of mine who works for suzuki, whom you definitely know personally, said about a week ago that Baggett going to RCH was "pretty much a done deal." interesting Info coming from all of you.
Matthes wrote:
There was talk about a month or two ago of Suzuki giving RCH a 250F program to run with one or two riders..RCH wanted a lot...
There was talk about a month or two ago of Suzuki giving RCH a 250F program to run with one or two riders..RCH wanted a lot more commitment to run it right before they would agree.

Maybe this all fell into place and BB is indeed going there?
Jt$ wrote:
Perhaps but I don't see it happening. RCH is going after a title with Roczen and a 250f program just muddies the waters.
yeah but.....Baggett is the man...why not have 2(two) titles?
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Jt$ 5/13/2014 10:56am
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dsmith wrote:
yeah but.....Baggett is the man...why not have 2(two) titles?
In SX or outdoors? Presuming that Baggett will win a title a year from now is a stretch IMO, at least in SX. RCH has been clamoring for a title threat the last few years and looks to finally have it. Why make things complicated when your big chance finally arrives? Just seems like a good way to get distracted on the main goal.
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dsmith 5/13/2014 11:23am
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was initially thinking outdoors....but hey... maybe sx too...I don't see how it would make it more complicated...RCH owners are ballers!
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joeellis 5/13/2014 12:53pm
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LaBossiereRacing wrote:
Baggett and Roczen to RCH next year. Stamped.
Jt$ wrote:
1 out of 2 isn't bad.. In baseball you would be a hall of famer..
No, you'd be the greatest hitter for average of all time by a mile Smile
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Jt$ 5/13/2014 1:24pm
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dsmith wrote:
was initially thinking outdoors....but hey... maybe sx too...I don't see how it would make it more complicated...RCH owners are ballers!
Adding riders, not to mention a completely different class/motorcycle is a huge undertaking at that level. Developing the bike that hasn't had any factory effort in a couple of years is not a small task. They would be starting at square one as a team with a 250 and when they just signed the rider they have always hoped for, it just seems like a distraction they don't need. Just my opinion but they would be better served going after the 450 titles they have been working for.

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bkent136 5/15/2014 6:08am
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Jt$ wrote:
Perhaps but I don't see it happening. RCH is going after a title with Roczen and a 250f program just muddies the waters.
LaBossiereRacing wrote:
Very true. I guess we'll just have to wait and find out. But I'd definitely love to see Baggett on yellow.
Adam, I love how much our credibility is about to go up on here... First ones to say it. Knew it for over a year
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Adam, I love how much our credibility is about to go up on here... First ones to say it. Knew it for over a year
Got them connections, son. haha
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bkent136 wrote:
Adam, I love how much our credibility is about to go up on here... First ones to say it. Knew it for over a year
LaBossiereRacing wrote:
Got them connections, son. haha
This brings up what I think would be a good idea on this site: "swami scale". It'd be great to have a score associated with the inside knowledge or predictions that people have either put up or pooped up here over the years. Someone with real inside knowledge like Matthes and Jt$ would have high Swami Scores and most of the others would have low Swami Scores. This way, when someone puts up their drivel, we could look at the Swami Scores near their avatar and see if they have any credibility based on past predictions.
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davistld01 5/16/2014 8:41am
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It's been pretty evident to me that RCH has been developing a bike and a team rather than developing riders up until now. Let's face it...Broc Tickle ain't ever gonna be a contender. Never has been, never will be. Hill is gone. The good news is that with their two years with both of those riders, they have formed one of the most professional teams and one of the most reliable and potent race bikes on the circuit. RCH was perhaps not ready to sign a real Championship rider before now, but now they have everything in place...including reputation, proof of results, and the financial backing from two huge casinos to do the trick.

Kenny Roczen will be more of a contender in 2015 on the RCH Yosh/Suzuki than he was on the KTM. I personally think Blake Baggett would be a huge addition to the team as a 250f rider if RCH can get the support from Suzuki they need.
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jamma10 5/16/2014 8:50am
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davistld01 wrote:
It's been pretty evident to me that RCH has been developing a bike and a team rather than developing riders up until now. Let's face it...Broc...
It's been pretty evident to me that RCH has been developing a bike and a team rather than developing riders up until now. Let's face it...Broc Tickle ain't ever gonna be a contender. Never has been, never will be. Hill is gone. The good news is that with their two years with both of those riders, they have formed one of the most professional teams and one of the most reliable and potent race bikes on the circuit. RCH was perhaps not ready to sign a real Championship rider before now, but now they have everything in place...including reputation, proof of results, and the financial backing from two huge casinos to do the trick.

Kenny Roczen will be more of a contender in 2015 on the RCH Yosh/Suzuki than he was on the KTM. I personally think Blake Baggett would be a huge addition to the team as a 250f rider if RCH can get the support from Suzuki they need.
Kenny Roczen will be more of a contender in 2015 on the RCH Yosh/Suzuki than he was on the KTM

What makes you say that?
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davistld01 5/16/2014 11:20am
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davistld01 wrote:
It's been pretty evident to me that RCH has been developing a bike and a team rather than developing riders up until now. Let's face it...Broc...
It's been pretty evident to me that RCH has been developing a bike and a team rather than developing riders up until now. Let's face it...Broc Tickle ain't ever gonna be a contender. Never has been, never will be. Hill is gone. The good news is that with their two years with both of those riders, they have formed one of the most professional teams and one of the most reliable and potent race bikes on the circuit. RCH was perhaps not ready to sign a real Championship rider before now, but now they have everything in place...including reputation, proof of results, and the financial backing from two huge casinos to do the trick.

Kenny Roczen will be more of a contender in 2015 on the RCH Yosh/Suzuki than he was on the KTM. I personally think Blake Baggett would be a huge addition to the team as a 250f rider if RCH can get the support from Suzuki they need.
jamma10 wrote:
Kenny Roczen will be more of a contender in 2015 on the RCH Yosh/Suzuki than he was on the KTM

What makes you say that?
In my opinion...

If you look at videos of KR on his old Suzuki ride he looked smoother, faster & MUCH more relaxed than he has ever looked on the KTM 250 or 450. He looked much more confident as well, and he hasn't really been shy about commenting about how unsatisfied he has been with the KTM setup, and has never been all that confident on it...although his skill and natural talent has allowed him to haul on it and win some races on it too. I think the Yoshimura Suzuki team has much more to work with to get the bike dialed than the KTM bunch. They have better suspension to start with...race proven chassis...and lots more documented settings that work indoors and out than KTM has to work with.

I also think Kenny (like most other young riders) just loves to ride his dirt bike, and a lot of pressure will be off of him to make the brand/team look good with the RCH team than he might have had with KTM. The RCH team seems to be less stone-serious than the KTM too, and Kenny looks like a dude that likes to mess around and have a bit of fun. I think he'll be a good fit with RCH
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davistld01 wrote:
In my opinion... If you look at videos of KR on his old Suzuki ride he looked smoother, faster & MUCH more relaxed than he has...
In my opinion...

If you look at videos of KR on his old Suzuki ride he looked smoother, faster & MUCH more relaxed than he has ever looked on the KTM 250 or 450. He looked much more confident as well, and he hasn't really been shy about commenting about how unsatisfied he has been with the KTM setup, and has never been all that confident on it...although his skill and natural talent has allowed him to haul on it and win some races on it too. I think the Yoshimura Suzuki team has much more to work with to get the bike dialed than the KTM bunch. They have better suspension to start with...race proven chassis...and lots more documented settings that work indoors and out than KTM has to work with.

I also think Kenny (like most other young riders) just loves to ride his dirt bike, and a lot of pressure will be off of him to make the brand/team look good with the RCH team than he might have had with KTM. The RCH team seems to be less stone-serious than the KTM too, and Kenny looks like a dude that likes to mess around and have a bit of fun. I think he'll be a good fit with RCH
Agreed with almost everything: I do think that Roczen has looked incredible on the KTM on occasion but overall I'd agree. I also think that there might be more pressure at RCH because they're going to expect an ROI just like their sponsors, whereas at KTM there's the cover of Dungey. Plus, I feel like the pressure is internal with Roczen. He wants it for himself which is why I think he's making the switch. Should be interesting...
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davistld01 wrote:
It's been pretty evident to me that RCH has been developing a bike and a team rather than developing riders up until now. Let's face it...Broc...
It's been pretty evident to me that RCH has been developing a bike and a team rather than developing riders up until now. Let's face it...Broc Tickle ain't ever gonna be a contender. Never has been, never will be. Hill is gone. The good news is that with their two years with both of those riders, they have formed one of the most professional teams and one of the most reliable and potent race bikes on the circuit. RCH was perhaps not ready to sign a real Championship rider before now, but now they have everything in place...including reputation, proof of results, and the financial backing from two huge casinos to do the trick.

Kenny Roczen will be more of a contender in 2015 on the RCH Yosh/Suzuki than he was on the KTM. I personally think Blake Baggett would be a huge addition to the team as a 250f rider if RCH can get the support from Suzuki they need.
jamma10 wrote:
Kenny Roczen will be more of a contender in 2015 on the RCH Yosh/Suzuki than he was on the KTM

What makes you say that?
davistld01 wrote:
In my opinion... If you look at videos of KR on his old Suzuki ride he looked smoother, faster & MUCH more relaxed than he has...
In my opinion...

If you look at videos of KR on his old Suzuki ride he looked smoother, faster & MUCH more relaxed than he has ever looked on the KTM 250 or 450. He looked much more confident as well, and he hasn't really been shy about commenting about how unsatisfied he has been with the KTM setup, and has never been all that confident on it...although his skill and natural talent has allowed him to haul on it and win some races on it too. I think the Yoshimura Suzuki team has much more to work with to get the bike dialed than the KTM bunch. They have better suspension to start with...race proven chassis...and lots more documented settings that work indoors and out than KTM has to work with.

I also think Kenny (like most other young riders) just loves to ride his dirt bike, and a lot of pressure will be off of him to make the brand/team look good with the RCH team than he might have had with KTM. The RCH team seems to be less stone-serious than the KTM too, and Kenny looks like a dude that likes to mess around and have a bit of fun. I think he'll be a good fit with RCH
He certainly looked uncomfortable passing RV...
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davistld01 5/16/2014 6:22pm
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jamma10 wrote:
Kenny Roczen will be more of a contender in 2015 on the RCH Yosh/Suzuki than he was on the KTM

What makes you say that?
davistld01 wrote:
In my opinion... If you look at videos of KR on his old Suzuki ride he looked smoother, faster & MUCH more relaxed than he has...
In my opinion...

If you look at videos of KR on his old Suzuki ride he looked smoother, faster & MUCH more relaxed than he has ever looked on the KTM 250 or 450. He looked much more confident as well, and he hasn't really been shy about commenting about how unsatisfied he has been with the KTM setup, and has never been all that confident on it...although his skill and natural talent has allowed him to haul on it and win some races on it too. I think the Yoshimura Suzuki team has much more to work with to get the bike dialed than the KTM bunch. They have better suspension to start with...race proven chassis...and lots more documented settings that work indoors and out than KTM has to work with.

I also think Kenny (like most other young riders) just loves to ride his dirt bike, and a lot of pressure will be off of him to make the brand/team look good with the RCH team than he might have had with KTM. The RCH team seems to be less stone-serious than the KTM too, and Kenny looks like a dude that likes to mess around and have a bit of fun. I think he'll be a good fit with RCH
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He certainly looked uncomfortable passing RV...
Like I said...talent & skill overcomes a lot. But I sure don't blame Roczen for not wanting to have to work so hard for that kind of results any more.
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Like I said...talent & skill overcomes a lot. But I sure don't blame Roczen for not wanting to have to work so hard for that kind...
Like I said...talent & skill overcomes a lot. But I sure don't blame Roczen for not wanting to have to work so hard for that kind of results any more.
I agree the Zook probably is a better platform indoors. But outdoors id want the pumpkin.
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davistld01 wrote:
Like I said...talent & skill overcomes a lot. But I sure don't blame Roczen for not wanting to have to work so hard for that kind...
Like I said...talent & skill overcomes a lot. But I sure don't blame Roczen for not wanting to have to work so hard for that kind of results any more.
BobPA wrote:
I agree the Zook probably is a better platform indoors. But outdoors id want the pumpkin.
I think Millsaps would have to disagree with you
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davistld01 wrote:
Like I said...talent & skill overcomes a lot. But I sure don't blame Roczen for not wanting to have to work so hard for that kind...
Like I said...talent & skill overcomes a lot. But I sure don't blame Roczen for not wanting to have to work so hard for that kind of results any more.
BobPA wrote:
I agree the Zook probably is a better platform indoors. But outdoors id want the pumpkin.
Silliker269 wrote:
I think Millsaps would have to disagree with you
The weird thing is I remember him getting second on a shitty Yamaha;
the kid can ride awesome on any bike so his opinion is kind of irrelevant.

Nonetheless, it's good to see Roczen getting the change he's desired.
I just wanna see him win now Cool

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