Roczen as good as gone?

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3/13/2014 7:21am
davistld01 wrote:
If RCH had the $$ to potentially draw Reed this past contract sea season...they've got it to draw Roczen. That, plus the promise of a full...
If RCH had the $$ to potentially draw Reed this past contract sea season...they've got it to draw Roczen. That, plus the promise of a full factory bike might mahe him & RCH a perfect fit.
Outsider wrote:
Still talking about it like its a big unknown huh?

I think you might the defacto leader of the brain trust...
Oh, that's right...you have the inside scoop, right?

Nothing in writing, nothing signed, no press release, no nothing...but you assume it's as "good as done" just because you read it on a message board? You are more stupid & gullible than even I once believed.
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3/13/2014 7:46am
davistld01 wrote:
If RCH had the $$ to potentially draw Reed this past contract sea season...they've got it to draw Roczen. That, plus the promise of a full...
If RCH had the $$ to potentially draw Reed this past contract sea season...they've got it to draw Roczen. That, plus the promise of a full factory bike might mahe him & RCH a perfect fit.
Outsider wrote:
Still talking about it like its a big unknown huh?

I think you might the defacto leader of the brain trust...
davistld01 wrote:
Oh, that's right...you have the inside scoop, right? Nothing in writing, nothing signed, no press release, no nothing...but you assume it's as "good as done" just...
Oh, that's right...you have the inside scoop, right?

Nothing in writing, nothing signed, no press release, no nothing...but you assume it's as "good as done" just because you read it on a message board? You are more stupid & gullible than even I once believed.
Well, Matthes did say stamp it... Laughing I don't believe a damn thing in this sport until I get an official PR. I am still convinced Roczen is going to be with Kawasaki.. He is already sleeping with half of the team.
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3/13/2014 7:59am Edited Date/Time 3/13/2014 8:04am
Outsider wrote:
Still talking about it like its a big unknown huh?

I think you might the defacto leader of the brain trust...
davistld01 wrote:
Oh, that's right...you have the inside scoop, right? Nothing in writing, nothing signed, no press release, no nothing...but you assume it's as "good as done" just...
Oh, that's right...you have the inside scoop, right?

Nothing in writing, nothing signed, no press release, no nothing...but you assume it's as "good as done" just because you read it on a message board? You are more stupid & gullible than even I once believed.
JeepnMike wrote:
Well, Matthes did say stamp it... :laugh: I don't believe a damn thing in this sport until I get an official PR. I am still convinced...
Well, Matthes did say stamp it... Laughing I don't believe a damn thing in this sport until I get an official PR. I am still convinced Roczen is going to be with Kawasaki.. He is already sleeping with half of the team.
If it's Matthes...it's got to be true!

And how is Kenny sleeping with half of the team? I thought that was only Poto.
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3/13/2014 8:28am
davistld01 wrote:
Oh, that's right...you have the inside scoop, right? Nothing in writing, nothing signed, no press release, no nothing...but you assume it's as "good as done" just...
Oh, that's right...you have the inside scoop, right?

Nothing in writing, nothing signed, no press release, no nothing...but you assume it's as "good as done" just because you read it on a message board? You are more stupid & gullible than even I once believed.
I guess its just a whole lot more fun to talk about your fantasies huh?

LMAO

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Not sure how a rider with Red Bull as a sponsor would work on the Monster Kawasak team...
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***guess everyone missed this***


Ken Roczen: Change likely to Suzuki!

By Adam Wheeler - 12.03.2014-12:24

KTM could not extend so far the agreement with Supercross-sensations-rookie Ken Roczen for 2015. It attracts a work machine in Ricky car Michael RCH team, where the partnership with Red Bull could be retained.

Last week, talks about the future of Ken Roczen reached a new level: apparently it is considered almost sure the MX2 world champion by 2011 and current title holder of the 250-cc Supercross-West Coast series KTM will leave and will return to that brand, with the Thuringian started his unparalleled career.


Roczens signature for the season is the most desirable at all in the United States by 2015, because the 450 CC rookie delivers a strong Supercross season so far, winning on the Red Bull KTM 450 SX-F two events. The rumors were even in the Paddock of the MXGP constantly listen, that the German should get a Suzuki factory machinery in the RCH team next year.

If it does, Roczen should his long-standing partnership with Red Bull can keep up what would have been impossible for example when changing to Kawasaki for Monster Energy. With Red Bull Roczen is connected since junior hockey. A Suzuki deal would mean a return to his roots, 2009 he delivered a memorable MX2 World Championship debut as a 15 year old in Portugal on the Japanese brand.

Nor is there any official messages, not about a contract extension with KTM yet about whether Roczen is 2015 actually sit on a RM-Z 450. It is difficult to imagine that he will really leave the camp by KTM and that the decision is just a financial issue. KTM is known as manufacturer who wholeheartedly committed to racing, built up very good structures and has invested in many areas, thereby increasing the quality.

There is the option with Husqvarna for KTM?
With the captive by KTM brand Husqvarna Roczen would have options within the KTM network, if he no longer wants to stay in the same environment as KTM factory rider Ryan Dungey. KTM have any support under the leadership of Rennchef Pit Beirer, who directed Roczen by Suzuki for 2011, away, if the driver at any time want to drive again in Europe.

It's no big secret that Roczen 2013 was not overly happy despite winning his 250-cc-MX/SX-bIke. But an invigorating performance at the Motocross of Nations last September and the previously excellent speed on the 450 SX-F indicates that he has a competitive package available.

Roczens new cooperation undoubtedly had a great influence on his fitness and his focus on the essentials with the renowned trainer Aldon Baker for 2014. The admiration of RCH co-owner Ricky Carmichael, the large U.S.-cross-legend, could also play a role in the alleged Exchange.
3/13/2014 11:06am
DEMONDAVE wrote:
***guess everyone missed this*** Ken Roczen: Change likely to Suzuki! By Adam Wheeler - 12.03.2014-12:24 KTM could not extend so far the agreement with Supercross-sensations-rookie Ken...
***guess everyone missed this***


Ken Roczen: Change likely to Suzuki!

By Adam Wheeler - 12.03.2014-12:24

KTM could not extend so far the agreement with Supercross-sensations-rookie Ken Roczen for 2015. It attracts a work machine in Ricky car Michael RCH team, where the partnership with Red Bull could be retained.

Last week, talks about the future of Ken Roczen reached a new level: apparently it is considered almost sure the MX2 world champion by 2011 and current title holder of the 250-cc Supercross-West Coast series KTM will leave and will return to that brand, with the Thuringian started his unparalleled career.


Roczens signature for the season is the most desirable at all in the United States by 2015, because the 450 CC rookie delivers a strong Supercross season so far, winning on the Red Bull KTM 450 SX-F two events. The rumors were even in the Paddock of the MXGP constantly listen, that the German should get a Suzuki factory machinery in the RCH team next year.

If it does, Roczen should his long-standing partnership with Red Bull can keep up what would have been impossible for example when changing to Kawasaki for Monster Energy. With Red Bull Roczen is connected since junior hockey. A Suzuki deal would mean a return to his roots, 2009 he delivered a memorable MX2 World Championship debut as a 15 year old in Portugal on the Japanese brand.

Nor is there any official messages, not about a contract extension with KTM yet about whether Roczen is 2015 actually sit on a RM-Z 450. It is difficult to imagine that he will really leave the camp by KTM and that the decision is just a financial issue. KTM is known as manufacturer who wholeheartedly committed to racing, built up very good structures and has invested in many areas, thereby increasing the quality.

There is the option with Husqvarna for KTM?
With the captive by KTM brand Husqvarna Roczen would have options within the KTM network, if he no longer wants to stay in the same environment as KTM factory rider Ryan Dungey. KTM have any support under the leadership of Rennchef Pit Beirer, who directed Roczen by Suzuki for 2011, away, if the driver at any time want to drive again in Europe.

It's no big secret that Roczen 2013 was not overly happy despite winning his 250-cc-MX/SX-bIke. But an invigorating performance at the Motocross of Nations last September and the previously excellent speed on the 450 SX-F indicates that he has a competitive package available.

Roczens new cooperation undoubtedly had a great influence on his fitness and his focus on the essentials with the renowned trainer Aldon Baker for 2014. The admiration of RCH co-owner Ricky Carmichael, the large U.S.-cross-legend, could also play a role in the alleged Exchange.
is it all ready april 1st in europe or what....haha..
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3/13/2014 12:23pm
Reffering to MX Action Magazine

Although the pits are abuzz with rumors about Ken Roczen going to RCH Suzuki in 2015 and Justin Barcia going to Joe Gibbs Yamaha—the truth about Kenny boils down to this one fact: When Ken signed his current KTM contract, he agreed to give KTM the “Right of First Refusal” for 2015. In simple terms that means that Ken and his agent are bound by Ken’s current contract to show KTM any offer he might receive from another team (all the details). If KTM matches that offer then Kenny has to stay in orange. So, no matter what Ken Roczen wants, he’s contractually linked to KTM unless Roger DeCoster lets him go.
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3/13/2014 1:07pm
DEMONDAVE wrote:
***guess everyone missed this*** Ken Roczen: Change likely to Suzuki! By Adam Wheeler - 12.03.2014-12:24 KTM could not extend so far the agreement with Supercross-sensations-rookie Ken...
***guess everyone missed this***


Ken Roczen: Change likely to Suzuki!

By Adam Wheeler - 12.03.2014-12:24

KTM could not extend so far the agreement with Supercross-sensations-rookie Ken Roczen for 2015. It attracts a work machine in Ricky car Michael RCH team, where the partnership with Red Bull could be retained.

Last week, talks about the future of Ken Roczen reached a new level: apparently it is considered almost sure the MX2 world champion by 2011 and current title holder of the 250-cc Supercross-West Coast series KTM will leave and will return to that brand, with the Thuringian started his unparalleled career.


Roczens signature for the season is the most desirable at all in the United States by 2015, because the 450 CC rookie delivers a strong Supercross season so far, winning on the Red Bull KTM 450 SX-F two events. The rumors were even in the Paddock of the MXGP constantly listen, that the German should get a Suzuki factory machinery in the RCH team next year.

If it does, Roczen should his long-standing partnership with Red Bull can keep up what would have been impossible for example when changing to Kawasaki for Monster Energy. With Red Bull Roczen is connected since junior hockey. A Suzuki deal would mean a return to his roots, 2009 he delivered a memorable MX2 World Championship debut as a 15 year old in Portugal on the Japanese brand.

Nor is there any official messages, not about a contract extension with KTM yet about whether Roczen is 2015 actually sit on a RM-Z 450. It is difficult to imagine that he will really leave the camp by KTM and that the decision is just a financial issue. KTM is known as manufacturer who wholeheartedly committed to racing, built up very good structures and has invested in many areas, thereby increasing the quality.

There is the option with Husqvarna for KTM?
With the captive by KTM brand Husqvarna Roczen would have options within the KTM network, if he no longer wants to stay in the same environment as KTM factory rider Ryan Dungey. KTM have any support under the leadership of Rennchef Pit Beirer, who directed Roczen by Suzuki for 2011, away, if the driver at any time want to drive again in Europe.

It's no big secret that Roczen 2013 was not overly happy despite winning his 250-cc-MX/SX-bIke. But an invigorating performance at the Motocross of Nations last September and the previously excellent speed on the 450 SX-F indicates that he has a competitive package available.

Roczens new cooperation undoubtedly had a great influence on his fitness and his focus on the essentials with the renowned trainer Aldon Baker for 2014. The admiration of RCH co-owner Ricky Carmichael, the large U.S.-cross-legend, could also play a role in the alleged Exchange.
Nobody has missed this.

Tim507's post 3/4 down the page...

http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Roczen-as-good-as-gone,12…
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3/13/2014 1:34pm
keinz wrote:
Reffering to MX Action Magazine Although the pits are abuzz with rumors about Ken Roczen going to RCH Suzuki in 2015 and Justin Barcia going to...
Reffering to MX Action Magazine

Although the pits are abuzz with rumors about Ken Roczen going to RCH Suzuki in 2015 and Justin Barcia going to Joe Gibbs Yamaha—the truth about Kenny boils down to this one fact: When Ken signed his current KTM contract, he agreed to give KTM the “Right of First Refusal” for 2015. In simple terms that means that Ken and his agent are bound by Ken’s current contract to show KTM any offer he might receive from another team (all the details). If KTM matches that offer then Kenny has to stay in orange. So, no matter what Ken Roczen wants, he’s contractually linked to KTM unless Roger DeCoster lets him go.
makes sense...KTM I am sure wont let him go but stranger things have happened
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3/13/2014 2:20pm
davistld01 wrote:
Oh, that's right...you have the inside scoop, right? Nothing in writing, nothing signed, no press release, no nothing...but you assume it's as "good as done" just...
Oh, that's right...you have the inside scoop, right?

Nothing in writing, nothing signed, no press release, no nothing...but you assume it's as "good as done" just because you read it on a message board? You are more stupid & gullible than even I once believed.
Outsider wrote:
I guess its just a whole lot more fun to talk about your fantasies huh?

LMAO
lol exactly, Matthes knows his shit.
3/13/2014 2:57pm
Everyone of these guys contracts have first right of refusal and it never gets used
3/13/2014 3:04pm
Everyone of these guys contracts have first right of refusal and it never gets used
Every one of them?

Please tell us how you have knowledge of the terms of every rider's contract.

Just because it's a standard practice that doesn't mean every one of them has it in there, everything is negotiable.
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3/13/2014 3:49pm
keinz wrote:
Reffering to MX Action Magazine Although the pits are abuzz with rumors about Ken Roczen going to RCH Suzuki in 2015 and Justin Barcia going to...
Reffering to MX Action Magazine

Although the pits are abuzz with rumors about Ken Roczen going to RCH Suzuki in 2015 and Justin Barcia going to Joe Gibbs Yamaha—the truth about Kenny boils down to this one fact: When Ken signed his current KTM contract, he agreed to give KTM the “Right of First Refusal” for 2015. In simple terms that means that Ken and his agent are bound by Ken’s current contract to show KTM any offer he might receive from another team (all the details). If KTM matches that offer then Kenny has to stay in orange. So, no matter what Ken Roczen wants, he’s contractually linked to KTM unless Roger DeCoster lets him go.
RCH could use a "poison pill" in the contract to get around that. NFL free agents used to use them so the team they were leaving couldn't "match" the new teams offer.
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3/13/2014 4:10pm
keinz wrote:
Reffering to MX Action Magazine Although the pits are abuzz with rumors about Ken Roczen going to RCH Suzuki in 2015 and Justin Barcia going to...
Reffering to MX Action Magazine

Although the pits are abuzz with rumors about Ken Roczen going to RCH Suzuki in 2015 and Justin Barcia going to Joe Gibbs Yamaha—the truth about Kenny boils down to this one fact: When Ken signed his current KTM contract, he agreed to give KTM the “Right of First Refusal” for 2015. In simple terms that means that Ken and his agent are bound by Ken’s current contract to show KTM any offer he might receive from another team (all the details). If KTM matches that offer then Kenny has to stay in orange. So, no matter what Ken Roczen wants, he’s contractually linked to KTM unless Roger DeCoster lets him go.
Sweet715 wrote:
RCH could use a "poison pill" in the contract to get around that. NFL free agents used to use them so the team they were leaving...
RCH could use a "poison pill" in the contract to get around that. NFL free agents used to use them so the team they were leaving couldn't "match" the new teams offer.
That would burn a bunch of bridges. Team KTM isn't just KTM. There are many associate sponsors who pay good money and have invested in Kenny. he didn't eactly set the world on fire his first year here. IMO, I don't think that it would be wise to play those kinds of games. It is a small industry. The next thing you know, you are buying your own bike and semi just to go race. That is great if you have made millions over your career and are doing it on your terms. It isn't so great if you are early in your career.
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3/13/2014 4:53pm
keinz wrote:
Reffering to MX Action Magazine Although the pits are abuzz with rumors about Ken Roczen going to RCH Suzuki in 2015 and Justin Barcia going to...
Reffering to MX Action Magazine

Although the pits are abuzz with rumors about Ken Roczen going to RCH Suzuki in 2015 and Justin Barcia going to Joe Gibbs Yamaha—the truth about Kenny boils down to this one fact: When Ken signed his current KTM contract, he agreed to give KTM the “Right of First Refusal” for 2015. In simple terms that means that Ken and his agent are bound by Ken’s current contract to show KTM any offer he might receive from another team (all the details). If KTM matches that offer then Kenny has to stay in orange. So, no matter what Ken Roczen wants, he’s contractually linked to KTM unless Roger DeCoster lets him go.
Sweet715 wrote:
RCH could use a "poison pill" in the contract to get around that. NFL free agents used to use them so the team they were leaving...
RCH could use a "poison pill" in the contract to get around that. NFL free agents used to use them so the team they were leaving couldn't "match" the new teams offer.
BAMX wrote:
That would burn a bunch of bridges. Team KTM isn't just KTM. There are many associate sponsors who pay good money and have invested in Kenny...
That would burn a bunch of bridges. Team KTM isn't just KTM. There are many associate sponsors who pay good money and have invested in Kenny. he didn't eactly set the world on fire his first year here. IMO, I don't think that it would be wise to play those kinds of games. It is a small industry. The next thing you know, you are buying your own bike and semi just to go race. That is great if you have made millions over your career and are doing it on your terms. It isn't so great if you are early in your career.
actually if i was a agent... That would be a great idea... to get around and out of that contract.

Teams throwing money at you.. and the team your currently on can say no to that.. and match (even if you don't like the bike,(which is hypothetical))

You can bet dollars to donuts if he has some common sense he would get out of the contract by any means necessary
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3/13/2014 5:09pm Edited Date/Time 3/13/2014 5:11pm
Don't the rules in a salary cap or collective bargaining agreement come into play in a "poison pill" contract in one of the major sports leagues? How exactly would that work in motocross ?
3/13/2014 6:46pm
Everyone of these guys contracts have first right of refusal and it never gets used
Every one of them? Please tell us how you have knowledge of the terms of every rider's contract. Just because it's a standard practice that doesn't...
Every one of them?

Please tell us how you have knowledge of the terms of every rider's contract.

Just because it's a standard practice that doesn't mean every one of them has it in there, everything is negotiable.
you're correct i could have worded it differently
3/13/2014 7:51pm
Everyone of these guys contracts have first right of refusal and it never gets used
Every one of them? Please tell us how you have knowledge of the terms of every rider's contract. Just because it's a standard practice that doesn't...
Every one of them?

Please tell us how you have knowledge of the terms of every rider's contract.

Just because it's a standard practice that doesn't mean every one of them has it in there, everything is negotiable.
you're correct i could have worded it differently
I would love to see what all is included in some of those contracts, I'm sure it can get real picky for the amount of money the top guys are getting.

The contracts for the second tier group and probably even worse for the rider.
3/16/2014 3:28am
I read an article by Adam Wheeler about the rumors of Roczen.Roczen will pobably return on a factory suzuki to RCH an with his sponsor Redbull.Nothing confirmed but......Wink
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3/16/2014 6:22am
Fortunately, here is an interview with Ken´s boss, Mr Pit Beirer.
Unfortunately for you guys, it is in german.

What he says is, basically, there is a big hunt on Ken Roczen but nothing has been signed yet. Still, there are negotiations and it is possible that Ken leaves KTM because of the money.

That said, it is just like dreaming, that Ken has signed already with RCH or others.
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3/16/2014 7:53am
Derpin' DJ wrote:
Dafuq, how does KTM let anyone outbid them?
In comparison to the 'big 4' KTM is a rather small company with a small market share. That number is increasing, but still is small compared to Honda.

Also, Honda-Kawasaki-Suzuki-and Yamaha all have super successful companies away from dirt bikes which can be used as a back-up slush fund when budgets spill over (Kawasaki Heavy Industries and Poto Championship bonus)..... KTM does not have a parent company to back them up, so their budget is their budget.

With that in mind I can truly see KTM being outbid for Roczen
3/16/2014 8:24am
edub wrote:
Fortunately, [URL=http://www.speedweek.com/sxwm/news/53266/Ken-Roczen-zu-Suzuki-KTM-hat-das-letzte-Wort.html]here[/URL] is an interview with Ken´s boss, Mr Pit Beirer. Unfortunately for you guys, it is in german. What he says is, basically, there is...
Fortunately, here is an interview with Ken´s boss, Mr Pit Beirer.
Unfortunately for you guys, it is in german.

What he says is, basically, there is a big hunt on Ken Roczen but nothing has been signed yet. Still, there are negotiations and it is possible that Ken leaves KTM because of the money.

That said, it is just like dreaming, that Ken has signed already with RCH or others.
Yes,i read it.Nothing signed at this moment.But i think KTM has to convince Roczen with a big paycheck!?No decision until summer.
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3/16/2014 9:01am
After his bike problems & resulting poor results at Detroit, I see Kenny being less & less excited at being on a KTM.
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Everyone of these guys contracts have first right of refusal and it never gets used
-See's avatar
-Know's post is full of shit
-Quads are for girls.
3/16/2014 9:27am
keinz wrote:
Reffering to MX Action Magazine Although the pits are abuzz with rumors about Ken Roczen going to RCH Suzuki in 2015 and Justin Barcia going to...
Reffering to MX Action Magazine

Although the pits are abuzz with rumors about Ken Roczen going to RCH Suzuki in 2015 and Justin Barcia going to Joe Gibbs Yamaha—the truth about Kenny boils down to this one fact: When Ken signed his current KTM contract, he agreed to give KTM the “Right of First Refusal” for 2015. In simple terms that means that Ken and his agent are bound by Ken’s current contract to show KTM any offer he might receive from another team (all the details). If KTM matches that offer then Kenny has to stay in orange. So, no matter what Ken Roczen wants, he’s contractually linked to KTM unless Roger DeCoster lets him go.
kiwifan wrote:
makes sense...KTM I am sure wont let him go but stranger things have happened
Based on how important racing, winning, is for KTM, the RCH may have been loaded the contract ! Smile

That can be a good move for all, if KTM can keep Dungey and who knows Marv'attack may do also very well when in 450 they will continue to be represented upfront (Milsaps, Short, Anderson, etc), so KTM can keep investing.

For RCH, I am happy for them as well as they look more & more like a solid team and with the bikes super dialed in, next year they will be a major team. It is always good for the sport to see many major teams involved. That is a good move for Red Bull too.

Now for Kenny, I trust he will remain a win contender, and I am pretty sure he will be the favorite in 2016.
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3/16/2014 4:19pm
Sounds like Rozcen is going to Suzuki but Kawasaki also has a new bike coming for 2015.
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3/16/2014 4:31pm
davistld01 wrote:
After his bike problems & resulting poor results at Detroit, I see Kenny being less & less excited at being on a KTM.
So having a rock stuck in your chain is a result of it being a KTM? What a maroon.
3/16/2014 4:34pm
davistld01 wrote:
After his bike problems & resulting poor results at Detroit, I see Kenny being less & less excited at being on a KTM.
Ing wrote:
So having a rock stuck in your chain is a result of it being a KTM? What a maroon.
Rock stuck in the rear brake.

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