Are auto/slipper clutches used in pro SX/MX ?

Joko
Profile picture for user Joko
Posts
1548
Joined
1/2/2011
Location
Haddam, CT, USA
Fantasy
118th
Joko
Edited Date/Time 3/3/2014 9:22am
I haven't seen any in the pro ranks. Is the auto clutch (Rekluse) more of a novice type "help tool" to make riding easier?
|
hvaughn88
Profile picture for user hvaughn88
Posts
8361
Joined
6/19/2013
Location
Conway, AR, USA
hvaughn88 3/2/2014 9:57am
3/2/2014 9:57am
Joko wrote:
I haven't seen any in the pro ranks. Is the auto clutch (Rekluse) more of a novice type "help tool" to make riding easier?
I have read that there are probably more than you think out there. Perhaps some that are running them...but with a clutch cover that doesn't indicate this. Maybe someone in the know can either confirm or correct me on this because I definitely have no idea.
1
Brent
Profile picture for user Brent
Posts
5871
Joined
8/16/2006
Location
Temecula, CA, USA
Brent 3/2/2014 10:39am
3/2/2014 10:39am Edited Date/Time 3/2/2014 10:42am
Ask Max Anstie about that. Stalled it twice with one while leading?
bigborefan
Profile picture for user bigborefan
Posts
1472
Joined
3/8/2008
Location
Urbana, IL, USA
bigborefan 3/2/2014 10:41am
3/2/2014 10:41am Edited Date/Time 3/2/2014 10:41am
I saw a video where Jimmy Albertson runs one.

I have been thinking about one for my KTM 530, But I'm an off-road guy. If they work as advertised I see no reason one wouldn't work in SX. Stalling you bike in a 4 minute race is a big deal.
kongols
Profile picture for user kongols
Posts
24226
Joined
9/22/2009
Location
Riga, LV
kongols 3/2/2014 10:44am
3/2/2014 10:44am
Brent wrote:
Ask Max Anstie about that. Stalled it twice with one while leading?
That is not entirely true. He didn`t stall it.

The Shop

See All »
mxfiend
Profile picture for user mxfiend
Posts
310
Joined
1/30/2013
Location
Riverside, CA, USA
mxfiend 3/2/2014 11:02am
3/2/2014 11:02am
i cant count tge number of times in sx this year someone crashes and their rear wheel isnt moving yet they pick the bike up and ride off.... id say most teams discreetly run it
2
copsey
Profile picture for user copsey
Posts
89
Joined
5/3/2008
Location
USA
copsey 3/2/2014 11:05am
3/2/2014 11:05am Edited Date/Time 3/2/2014 11:05am
I know a few big name off-road guys they sponsor who don't use the auto clutch but do use the basket and covers.
1
Zesiger 112
Profile picture for user Zesiger 112
Posts
2362
Joined
3/4/2013
Location
Galveston, TX, USA
Zesiger 112 3/2/2014 11:26am
3/2/2014 11:26am
If u watch closely u will see some riders ride up to their mechanic or crew after the race and come to a stop, without pulling the clutch in, Alessi did it in Indy, and someone else did it last week in Atlanta.
BobPA
Profile picture for user BobPA
Posts
8334
Joined
10/31/2013
Location
USA
BobPA 3/2/2014 12:07pm
3/2/2014 12:07pm
Zesiger 112 wrote:
If u watch closely u will see some riders ride up to their mechanic or crew after the race and come to a stop, without pulling...
If u watch closely u will see some riders ride up to their mechanic or crew after the race and come to a stop, without pulling the clutch in, Alessi did it in Indy, and someone else did it last week in Atlanta.
When Chiz and that honda dude were arguing he pulled away with out touching the clutch
Brent
Profile picture for user Brent
Posts
5871
Joined
8/16/2006
Location
Temecula, CA, USA
Brent 3/2/2014 12:41pm
3/2/2014 12:41pm
mxfiend wrote:
i cant count tge number of times in sx this year someone crashes and their rear wheel isnt moving yet they pick the bike up and...
i cant count tge number of times in sx this year someone crashes and their rear wheel isnt moving yet they pick the bike up and ride off.... id say most teams discreetly run it
Last year I saw that happen to James twice. Never touched the clutch lever.
Harry Backmon 3/2/2014 1:44pm
3/2/2014 1:44pm
I don't know about the pros, but I swear by mine.
Joko
Profile picture for user Joko
Posts
1548
Joined
1/2/2011
Location
Haddam, CT, USA
Fantasy
118th
Joko 3/2/2014 3:09pm
3/2/2014 3:09pm
Riders using them on Rekluse.com.
Do any other companies make them?
Joko
Profile picture for user Joko
Posts
1548
Joined
1/2/2011
Location
Haddam, CT, USA
Fantasy
118th
Joko 3/2/2014 3:20pm
3/2/2014 3:20pm
Efmautoclutch.com
malachi177
Profile picture for user malachi177
Posts
2281
Joined
12/18/2010
Location
B.C., BC, CA
malachi177 3/2/2014 5:48pm
3/2/2014 5:48pm
RV has to use one. That bike never stalls after a crash.
The Rock
Profile picture for user The Rock
Posts
8758
Joined
3/21/2007
Location
HAIKU, HI, USA
The Rock 3/2/2014 5:59pm
3/2/2014 5:59pm
malachi177 wrote:
RV has to use one. That bike never stalls after a crash.
Back in the two stroke days didn't people usually have to kick start their bikes after a soil sample? Last few years the majority of the bikes rarely stall. High idle or auto clutches?
Joko
Profile picture for user Joko
Posts
1548
Joined
1/2/2011
Location
Haddam, CT, USA
Fantasy
118th
Joko 3/2/2014 6:06pm
3/2/2014 6:06pm
Would the auto clutch prevent a nasty crash if the engine locked up? Would it just free wheel and save a trip over the bars?
Tim507
Profile picture for user Tim507
Posts
3489
Joined
6/8/2010
Location
Oregon City, OR, USA
Tim507 3/2/2014 6:30pm
3/2/2014 6:30pm
Joko wrote:
Would the auto clutch prevent a nasty crash if the engine locked up? Would it just free wheel and save a trip over the bars?
Great question - if you lock up the brake and skid to a stop the motor is suppose to keep running.

I have 2 Rekluce EXP -3 on the bench right now for my two bikes -they go in next weekWoohoo
1
malachi177
Profile picture for user malachi177
Posts
2281
Joined
12/18/2010
Location
B.C., BC, CA
malachi177 3/2/2014 7:18pm
3/2/2014 7:18pm
malachi177 wrote:
RV has to use one. That bike never stalls after a crash.
The Rock wrote:
Back in the two stroke days didn't people usually have to kick start their bikes after a soil sample? Last few years the majority of the...
Back in the two stroke days didn't people usually have to kick start their bikes after a soil sample? Last few years the majority of the bikes rarely stall. High idle or auto clutches?
Good question!

Pit Row

See All »
JM485
Profile picture for user JM485
Posts
5820
Joined
10/1/2013
Location
Davis, CA, USA
JM485 3/2/2014 7:50pm
3/2/2014 7:50pm
The only reason I have been holding off on one of these is the cost. I think it would help a ton in endurocross, but I can't justify spending the money.
sharkey
Profile picture for user sharkey
Posts
2446
Joined
7/28/2008
Location
Marysville, WA, USA
sharkey 3/2/2014 8:10pm
3/2/2014 8:10pm
I know plenty of guys riding sx that use the recluse
rolandk
Profile picture for user rolandk
Posts
155
Joined
10/23/2011
Location
Portland, OR, USA
rolandk 3/2/2014 8:20pm
3/2/2014 8:20pm
Joko
Profile picture for user Joko
Posts
1548
Joined
1/2/2011
Location
Haddam, CT, USA
Fantasy
118th
Joko 3/2/2014 8:27pm
3/2/2014 8:27pm
Seems like there are zero drawbacks with it...
Randy_Nix
Profile picture for user Randy_Nix
Posts
172
Joined
4/10/2011
Location
Temecula, CA, USA
Randy_Nix 3/2/2014 8:58pm
3/2/2014 8:58pm
Joko wrote:
Would the auto clutch prevent a nasty crash if the engine locked up? Would it just free wheel and save a trip over the bars?
I think it will free wheel if the motor locks up. Here is a good dirt rider article on them...

http://www.dirtrider.com/tests/gear/141_0910_dr_tested_rekluse_core_clu…
Titan1
Profile picture for user Titan1
Posts
9452
Joined
2/3/2010
Location
Lehi, UT, USA
Titan1 3/2/2014 9:19pm
3/2/2014 9:19pm
The best thing about my rekluse, is that I don't even know it's there until I need it. I guarantee that if you rode my bike and I didn't tell you there was a rekluse in it, you wouldn't know it was there.

Rekluse sponsor several top supercross riders that use their auto clutch (exp 2.0...now 3.0). Check their website.

There is ZERO downside to these clutches (besides the price). And often te same people that complain about the price are the same people dropping a grand on an exhaust system that will do nothing for their results.
2
CarlinoJoeVideo
Profile picture for user CarlinoJoeVideo
Posts
7517
Joined
11/30/2013
Location
Portland/Los Angeles, CA, USA
CarlinoJoeVideo 3/2/2014 11:22pm
3/2/2014 11:22pm
Titan1 wrote:
The best thing about my rekluse, is that I don't even know it's there until I need it. I guarantee that if you rode my bike...
The best thing about my rekluse, is that I don't even know it's there until I need it. I guarantee that if you rode my bike and I didn't tell you there was a rekluse in it, you wouldn't know it was there.

Rekluse sponsor several top supercross riders that use their auto clutch (exp 2.0...now 3.0). Check their website.

There is ZERO downside to these clutches (besides the price). And often te same people that complain about the price are the same people dropping a grand on an exhaust system that will do nothing for their results.
Agreed. My friends still think that it will ride different. But I have mine set up so well it's just like a normal clutch but I can skid and tap the rear brake in the air without the clutch. I would imagine that KTm or even Hinson have some version of their own.
Jack_Wagon
Profile picture for user Jack_Wagon
Posts
287
Joined
7/18/2011
Location
Conyers, GA, USA
Jack_Wagon 3/2/2014 11:40pm
3/2/2014 11:40pm
A slipper clutch is one thing. An automatic clutch is something completely different. Are the majority of the pros using a slipper or an automatic?
1
Trickassmarks 3/3/2014 12:38am
3/3/2014 12:38am
Im pretty keen to try one. I have a question though, can i run my standard clutch cover?
Tim507
Profile picture for user Tim507
Posts
3489
Joined
6/8/2010
Location
Oregon City, OR, USA
Tim507 3/3/2014 2:10am
3/3/2014 2:10am
Trickassmarks wrote:
Im pretty keen to try one. I have a question though, can i run my standard clutch cover?
With the EXP Core I tried on another KTM in 2012 I used the std cover. The Rekluce cover came with my EXP Core 3. I have done any measuring to see if there is a slight height difference. My guess that the covers should be the same as the brake lever has to clear the cover.
jock
Profile picture for user jock
Posts
1669
Joined
9/25/2006
Location
Postmans Ridge, QLD, AU
Fantasy
619th
jock 3/3/2014 2:21am
3/3/2014 2:21am
Trickassmarks wrote:
Im pretty keen to try one. I have a question though, can i run my standard clutch cover?
I have one in my 06 CRF450, uses the stock cover, EXP 2.0. Do it, you will love it.
tek14
Profile picture for user tek14
Posts
4947
Joined
1/26/2014
Location
Vantaa, FI
tek14 3/3/2014 3:58am
3/3/2014 3:58am
Jack_Wagon wrote:
A slipper clutch is one thing. An automatic clutch is something completely different. Are the majority of the pros using a slipper or an automatic?
I remember JLaw using some sort of slipper clutch for less engine braking at outdoor serie. Slip clutch gives less engine braking like 2-stroke wich helps over braking bumbs by keeping front end lighter. I think in MotoGP they are standard parts to use. You can adjust level of slip also.

If you watch RD5 video, that could be just new normal clutch wich is not "free" yet. You can see rear tyre spinning if you put your bike to stand and give rews.

There were also larger Rekluse clutch covers to allow more oil and better cooling for automatic or orginal clutches.

Post a reply to: Are auto/slipper clutches used in pro SX/MX ?