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StartedTooLate 2/14/2014 4:19pm
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There is no money in this sport. Sorry...compared to mainstream stick and ball...it is a joke. FELD is PAYING Fox to broadcast races. Stick and ball sports leagues (Football, Basket Ball, BaseBall, Soccer internationally) get PAID Billions by Networks around the world for broadcast rights, and this money trickles down to players. In addition, local communities are so into stick and ball sports...that they effectively subsidize the owners of Pro sports teams by putting public money into stadium facilities, which every study has shown is a loser for local governments and local economies...and a huge winner for the owners of sports teams. That makes it easier for players to command big money for their services. That is just the way it is.

The Seahawks' 23-17 victory over the 49ers in the NFC drew 56 million viewers on Fox..... SX...maybe 1 million. Ask a random person on the street who the starting QB for the Niners is...or who the Seahawks RB is...and probably 1 in 3 get it right. Ask them who is leading the SX standing is...and probably 1 in 100 get it right. It is all relative.
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As it has been said. It's a different economy these days. I bet the advertising dollars aren't around like 10 years ago.
If it was, everybody would have more.
Consider them unlucky in the timing of them and their race career.
Yes they deserve more. Yes the owner of a business makes shit loads
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What i don't get is Feld and MX Sports controlling and limiting what these athletes can do at the races. Purse money has always sucked, but why can't Weston sell his shirts or cool shit in the pits. Replica Jerseys, toys, hats, etc. how many people pass through the pits that would drop coin on some of these guys. Instead he sells on website and vital but that doesn't compare to a raceday atmosphere at the race.
I don't know all the rules and the bullshit that goes on, but imo professional sx racers should be able to market themselves while at the races.
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Woobia 22 2/14/2014 5:48pm
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Interesting checking the 450 top 25 earners to date, WP 10th, be good to check out 250 results.

So what could these riders expect to earn from same results outdoors.

As a family we spent hundreds of thousands of dollars (mostly didn't have spare), but we did it for the Love of our Boys and the sport. The people we have met all over Australia really made for a lifetime of fantastic experiences, especially for 2 young Indigenous boys from the Kimberleys. One club actually called our Pit area the Black Tent Embassy.

One of many special feelings was our first State round in Perth, drove 26 hours straight, 1 lad was a D grader and eldest was a C class. Both won races against A graders on bone stock bikes held together with tiewire and tek screws. We always reckoned it was a win just getting through Scruitineering. I wouldn't have changed anything as we had a ball.

As stated the most overused phrase in MX / SX is that is the way it has always been.

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SPYGUY 2/14/2014 7:20pm
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I agree with you but want to make one correction, you said "[i]They've sold pit passes, merchandise, [b]TV time[/b][/i]" as far as i know, unlike other...
I agree with you but want to make one correction, you said "They've sold pit passes, merchandise, TV time" as far as i know, unlike other sports SX/MX actually PAYS to be on TV, not the other way around.
This was from 2013...

"Fox’s Speed network pays $1 million a year and shows 11 Monster Energy AMA Supercross Series races live."

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2013/05/20/Media/Supe…
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SPYGUY 2/14/2014 7:22pm
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"Financial terms of the deal weren’t available. Sources familiar with the agreement said it is an increase over the $1 million a year that Fox Sports’ former motorsports channel, Speed, paid for supercross."

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2013/11/11/Media/Fox-…
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the_wood109 2/14/2014 7:25pm
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I hate to bring health care into this, but what happens if a rider gets injured? Do they have their own insurance or does Feld or the teams provide?

Those numbers seem legit, until you crash.
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2strokeways 2/14/2014 7:37pm
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I completely agree. There are about 1280 MLB players that make atleast 400k a year minimum and they can't even pay the best 80 supercross riders in the US enough to live in a mobile Home.
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Hut 2/14/2014 7:38pm
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I can't see how anyone could think that is a decent amount of money in this day and age. Blink
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For all the people complaining, shouldn't you be more worried about Albertson, who's running his own team; or Blose, who's pitting out of a van? They're making quite a bit less than Peick on purse money.
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35smom 2/14/2014 7:46pm
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the_wood109 wrote:
I hate to bring health care into this, but what happens if a rider gets injured? Do they have their own insurance or does Feld or...
I hate to bring health care into this, but what happens if a rider gets injured? Do they have their own insurance or does Feld or the teams provide?

Those numbers seem legit, until you crash.
When you apply for your Pro license they ask if you have insurance...you are supposed to have it.
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rucka356 2/14/2014 7:51pm
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I am so sick of seeing you people bitch and moan about what these guys make. If they don't like it they can go get another job, that's the way the market works. Their racing dirt bikes for a living for crying out loud! It's a freaking hobby that we all started doing as kids that turned into something that a few people can make a living doing. If you can't cut it pack your shit and find something else that you are better at. Is it complete horse shit that FELD prevents the riders from being able to sell merchandise? Hell yes it is, but those are the facts.
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We all realize they choose (or sometimes the parents chose) their path. It doesn't make it any more enjoyable to see the huge commitment they put in to get to the top levels and only make peanuts. I would much rather see them all living like rockstars and/or at least have a little security to show for it. Cool
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rucka356 wrote:
I am so sick of seeing you people bitch and moan about what these guys make. If they don't like it they can go get another...
I am so sick of seeing you people bitch and moan about what these guys make. If they don't like it they can go get another job, that's the way the market works. Their racing dirt bikes for a living for crying out loud! It's a freaking hobby that we all started doing as kids that turned into something that a few people can make a living doing. If you can't cut it pack your shit and find something else that you are better at. Is it complete horse shit that FELD prevents the riders from being able to sell merchandise? Hell yes it is, but those are the facts.
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rucka356 2/14/2014 8:39pm
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The real complaint should be the fact that a new bike cost the same as a good used vehicle.
lostboy819 2/14/2014 8:52pm
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rucka356 wrote:
The real complaint should be the fact that a new bike cost the same as a good used vehicle.
Depends on what you call a good used vehicle, in my book a good used vehicle is 25k.
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What is the median income in America? About $50K/year, right? That means over a month and a half, the median income earner in America has earned...
What is the median income in America? About $50K/year, right? That means over a month and a half, the median income earner in America has earned about $6200....that means Chisholm is earning about what the "average" American makes....Only he gets to do it racing a dirt bike.

(Obviously those numbers don't take into consideration any endorsements that they get).
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And he gets to have huge expenses to do his job. Those bikes and parts don't buy themselves.
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I would imagine that he has sponsors that cover a huge percentage (if not all) of the cost of parts. I'm a nobody Vet B class...
I would imagine that he has sponsors that cover a huge percentage (if not all) of the cost of parts. I'm a nobody Vet B class desert racer and I have sponsors that cover a huge percentage of my parts. I would certainly hope a top 25 Supercross rider can at least get free parts-if not a bit of income for the advertising space on his bike/jersey/helmet.

Maybe he has to buy his bike (no doubt at a steep discount)...boo hoo...how many people on this board make $50K/year and buy their own bikes?

Transportation, race fees? Again, I'd have a hard time believing they don't have sponsors to cover a huge chunk (if not all) of their travel and race expenses.

In my opinion...yes, the riders should get more money...but I certainly don't feel sorry for any of them (especially those that are pitting out of a semi, or nice rig like Weston is). They get paid to do, or get to do for free (or almost free), what I spend thousands and thousands of dollars doing every year. Let's keep this in perspective a little bit.
Oh boy , that rig is not free its a lease. Joel and damn it Dave are not free. I can go on and on about the cost of racing at this level. As a supporter of Weston's program , I'm one of those people paying for hotels , flights , dinners and what ever the hell I can. His program has a few small guys like me paying a little bit of everything . Trust me that money burn's up quick , San Diego 2 sub frames, muffler , air box , bars, grips, rear fender, front brake lever, rear brake pedal. We had one spare sub frame the other one came off the practice bike along with the air box and brake pedal. Before the rig left for Texas WP was buying power washes. We had 30 gallons of fuel , tool box cause the old one you could not open drawers. loaded the rig with 13 cases of water, spare parts, all stuff WP paid for, flights for 4 people to Texas as the rig is driving @ 7 miles per gallon.
any how its not all profit and easy street does not excites bottom line. This year with some really good support its get us threw race to race with no issues , as in AZ the rig had brake issues and stayed till Tuesday to get fixed and who paid for that ? point is now one really understands the cost . The team is so happy with all the support it gets and yes its looks good. but its a lot of work and cost.
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JM485 2/14/2014 9:27pm
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It always could be worse, he could race flat track.....
Or hillclimbs, not much money here either.

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Woobia 22 2/14/2014 9:30pm
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Piston your breakdown sounds good, makes Mossy's effort all the more impressive.

Great to see so many sponsors helping out a rider.
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jstein639 2/14/2014 9:47pm
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The biggest problem is last I checked sx averaged 385,000 viewers per race and certain NFL teams that I compared were 16.8 mil per game. Sx is 17 races and nfl has 16 games so I figured they were comparable. If you look at those numbers you can understand why the pay is a fraction of other sports as we have a fraction of the television views and the money that comes along with that.
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Brent 2/14/2014 11:18pm
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I can't see how anyone could think that is a decent amount of money in this day and age. Blink
That's the problem right there. Poor un- edumicated dirt bike racers think that is a lot of money, for what pro riders have to do and what they risk, that is absolute shit chump change.

A Lloyds of London insurance policy payment for career ending disability is a LOT more expensive than that every month, ask Emig.

The promoters of this sport have these riders by the balls, anyone gets uppity about pay and they get a visit from the AMA's version of Tony Soprano.

Shit they tried to bury McGrath when he caused a stir in Vegas one time about safety, and he was the top dog at the time.

Remember the Riders Union talk? Why don't we hear of it anymore?
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Brent 2/14/2014 11:25pm
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Oh boy , that rig is not free its a lease. Joel and damn it Dave are not free. I can go on and on about...
Oh boy , that rig is not free its a lease. Joel and damn it Dave are not free. I can go on and on about the cost of racing at this level. As a supporter of Weston's program , I'm one of those people paying for hotels , flights , dinners and what ever the hell I can. His program has a few small guys like me paying a little bit of everything . Trust me that money burn's up quick , San Diego 2 sub frames, muffler , air box , bars, grips, rear fender, front brake lever, rear brake pedal. We had one spare sub frame the other one came off the practice bike along with the air box and brake pedal. Before the rig left for Texas WP was buying power washes. We had 30 gallons of fuel , tool box cause the old one you could not open drawers. loaded the rig with 13 cases of water, spare parts, all stuff WP paid for, flights for 4 people to Texas as the rig is driving @ 7 miles per gallon.
any how its not all profit and easy street does not excites bottom line. This year with some really good support its get us threw race to race with no issues , as in AZ the rig had brake issues and stayed till Tuesday to get fixed and who paid for that ? point is now one really understands the cost . The team is so happy with all the support it gets and yes its looks good. but its a lot of work and cost.
I'm no rocket surgeon, but 13 cases of water at 27LBs per case is 351 LBS , to carry from here to Texas. Seems a waste of fuel to me to carry a commonly available commodity 1000 miles.

That said, you are a good man to support Peick. Thank You.
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I guess it all comes down to how you look at it.

$13,000 if he was an employee of field to race in front of 100,000's of thousands of fans over six rounds of racing putting on the show, yeah you could say it was a little low.

But if you look at is as Peick being a self employed racers (Privateer) who knows his income is coming from a variety of sources that includes sponsors, prize money and endorsements and sees the show that FELD put on as his platform to earn money as a racer, earning just over $13,000 after six races is not to bad, could be a lot better depending on the contingency and straight up money he is getting from sponsors plus any endorsement.

That $13,000 is just his prize money, know one really knows how much Money Peick has earned in the past six weeks of racing in total.

Know one also knows how much of his own money he has spent to go racing so far this year.

Also just think how much more that would be if there was not two DNF's in there (or three can't remember.)

I don't see anyone jumping up and down that Friese has earned just a fraction more, or do people think that what Friese has earned so far is OK?

You would have to think that the Money Villopoto has earned as prize money is just pocket money in the grand scheme of what he earns from his team and sponsorship deals.

At the end of the day the only way things will change for the riders in terms of being as employees of the show that is supercross and getting a bigger slice of the income pie is to band together and do something about it, until that time things will stay the same.

Who knows, maybe if you looked at the total profit being made by FELD from SX, by the time it was shared amongst all 80 riders making the show each weekend, $13,000 may not be to bad, maybe it is well and truly under what they would receive.

I guarantee one thing though, if Feld started signing multi million dollar deals with someone paying them to air supercross, the top riders may all band together and ask for a good slice of that income pie!
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35smom 2/14/2014 11:43pm
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Brent wrote:
I'm no rocket surgeon, but 13 cases of water at 27LBs per case is 351 LBS , to carry from here to Texas. Seems a waste...
I'm no rocket surgeon, but 13 cases of water at 27LBs per case is 351 LBS , to carry from here to Texas. Seems a waste of fuel to me to carry a commonly available commodity 1000 miles.

That said, you are a good man to support Peick. Thank You.
I can tell you from experience time is short and there's not much of it to get to the store to buy what you need once you are at the race! You always pack what you need before you leave...
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enketchum 2/15/2014 1:51am
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For all the people complaining, shouldn't you be more worried about Albertson, who's running his own team; or Blose, who's pitting out of a van? They're...
For all the people complaining, shouldn't you be more worried about Albertson, who's running his own team; or Blose, who's pitting out of a van? They're making quite a bit less than Peick on purse money.
but Blose has no chance of winning a main
Don't Tread on Me 2/15/2014 3:56am
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I wish made $13000 already this year.
Maybe your writing skills are holding you back?
StartedTooLate 2/15/2014 4:03am
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[i]"Financial terms of the deal weren’t available. Sources familiar with the agreement said it is an increase over the $1 million a year that Fox Sports’...
"Financial terms of the deal weren’t available. Sources familiar with the agreement said it is an increase over the $1 million a year that Fox Sports’ former motorsports channel, Speed, paid for supercross."

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2013/11/11/Media/Fox-…
I stand corrected, but even it is still peanuts compared to what mainstream sports make in TV revenue sharing (close to $25 BILLION for the NFL!) There are 1600 NFL roster players...and even if only 3% of that money trickles to them...that is $470,000 per player, or about $34,000 per event.

If FELD were to sign a $10M dollar deal...and 3% were to go to the riders...that would be about $3750 per rider (80 guys in heats)...for the whole season or about $220 per event. That means a rider can take his mechanic and girlfriend out for a nice steak dinner as long as they dont drink any wine. There is just NO MONEY.... Do the math. $10M is peanuts compared to the expense. Pro MX is not much of a business model.

I think our sport is one of the purest in terms of the participants love of the competition and just riding. They sure as hell are not in it for the money, because there is none.

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