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Edited Date/Time 7/29/2013 7:40pm
Hmm...how many noticed that they were using a cable setup, rather than the hydraulic clutch that they'd used for a while. Trey dug the change.
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Good eye balls GuyB
xnationalwrench 7/27/2013 2:49pm
7/27/2013 2:49pm Edited Date/Time 7/27/2013 2:50pm
GuyB wrote:
Hmm...how many noticed that they were using a cable setup, rather than the hydraulic clutch that they'd used for a while. Trey dug the change.
I wonder if the management big wigs made them remove the hydraulic clutch because they don't have it on the showroom bikes, and people kept asking when were they going to have them on the OEM bikes?
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Sandberm 7/27/2013 3:43pm
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Just listened to Jimmy Albertson give this info on the pre-race pulpcast. Said Trey and Barcia were liking it better than the hydraulic.

Jimmy nailed it as both Trey and Justin nailed the start both motos.
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Choppy 7/27/2013 4:34pm
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GuyB wrote:
Hmm...how many noticed that they were using a cable setup, rather than the hydraulic clutch that they'd used for a while. Trey dug the change.
xnationalwrench wrote:
I wonder if the management big wigs made them remove the hydraulic clutch because they don't have it on the showroom bikes, and people kept asking...
I wonder if the management big wigs made them remove the hydraulic clutch because they don't have it on the showroom bikes, and people kept asking when were they going to have them on the OEM bikes?
I wonder where people come up with these ideas.

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kevin204 7/27/2013 4:38pm
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GuyB wrote:
Hmm...how many noticed that they were using a cable setup, rather than the hydraulic clutch that they'd used for a while. Trey dug the change.
xnationalwrench wrote:
I wonder if the management big wigs made them remove the hydraulic clutch because they don't have it on the showroom bikes, and people kept asking...
I wonder if the management big wigs made them remove the hydraulic clutch because they don't have it on the showroom bikes, and people kept asking when were they going to have them on the OEM bikes?
How's your tinfoil hat? :D
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ocscottie 7/27/2013 4:59pm
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kevin204 wrote:
How's your tinfoil hat? :D
Laughing

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sharkey 7/27/2013 5:03pm
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the hydraulic definitely doesn't have the feel of the cable style. the engagement on the hydraulic has a lot different feel. especially when your slipping it in the corners and stuff like that
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Bellone 7/27/2013 5:28pm
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GuyB wrote:
Hmm...how many noticed that they were using a cable setup, rather than the hydraulic clutch that they'd used for a while. Trey dug the change.
Think it helps on starts because they are getting a bunch
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TeamGreen 7/27/2013 6:13pm
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Less is more.

Stock set-up with Hinson clutch plate-pack & springs.

Done.
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DownSouth 7/27/2013 6:30pm
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GuyB wrote:
Hmm...how many noticed that they were using a cable setup, rather than the hydraulic clutch that they'd used for a while. Trey dug the change.
xnationalwrench wrote:
I wonder if the management big wigs made them remove the hydraulic clutch because they don't have it on the showroom bikes, and people kept asking...
I wonder if the management big wigs made them remove the hydraulic clutch because they don't have it on the showroom bikes, and people kept asking when were they going to have them on the OEM bikes?
Choppy wrote:
I wonder where people come up with these ideas.
It is not that far fetched. It is similar thinking that makes Honda require their officially supported teams to run the dual pipes when the single pipe is lighter and in some cases performs better.
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Choppy 7/27/2013 6:53pm
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xnationalwrench wrote:
I wonder if the management big wigs made them remove the hydraulic clutch because they don't have it on the showroom bikes, and people kept asking...
I wonder if the management big wigs made them remove the hydraulic clutch because they don't have it on the showroom bikes, and people kept asking when were they going to have them on the OEM bikes?
Choppy wrote:
I wonder where people come up with these ideas.
DownSouth wrote:
It is not that far fetched. It is similar thinking that makes Honda require their officially supported teams to run the dual pipes when the single...
It is not that far fetched. It is similar thinking that makes Honda require their officially supported teams to run the dual pipes when the single pipe is lighter and in some cases performs better.
They don't "require" what type of clutch you run. The riders decided.
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nytsmaC 7/27/2013 6:56pm
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What the fuck happened to the production rule anyways? How were they allowed to run parts that are not for sale to the public no matter the price?

Talk about not enforcing the rules...
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Coyote 7/27/2013 7:17pm
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nytsmaC wrote:
What the fuck happened to the production rule anyways? How were they allowed to run parts that are not for sale to the public no matter...
What the fuck happened to the production rule anyways? How were they allowed to run parts that are not for sale to the public no matter the price?

Talk about not enforcing the rules...
hydraulic clutchs aren't a factory item, they've been available since 2009 on the Hondas, we used 'em @ Valli, our riders like the hydraulic better for offroad (Worcs) just sayin!! still used to go through tons of plates either way!!
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bullpen658 7/27/2013 8:00pm
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I wish I could try a hydraulic one out. They sure feel nice on the stand (KTM). I don't have any complaints about the feel of the clutch on my YZ450 but maybe it could be even better?

I'd also like to try that hot new waitress they have down at the local Applebees. HOT!!!
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VRR7 7/27/2013 9:39pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
Less is more.

Stock set-up with Hinson clutch plate-pack & springs.

Done.
^^This^^ - Plus Cable is much more reliable and cheaper and easier to maintain - Setup properly works better than hyrdaulic !
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Randy_Nix 7/27/2013 9:48pm
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I wonder if they had an issue with the hydraulic clutch at one of the previous rounds
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Loose 7/27/2013 9:59pm
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kevin204 wrote:
How's your tinfoil hat? :D
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:laugh: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2013/07/27/28077/s1200_tinfoilprank.jpg[/img]
Laughing

That's some funny shit OC!!!
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jevyguy 7/27/2013 11:25pm
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I can tell you from experience that my 09 kx450 clutch feels better than a 2011 ktm350. Easier and more consistent pull

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WhipMeister 7/27/2013 11:47pm
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I got to believe that feathering is more precise and consistent with a mechanical vs. a fluid set up.
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Ozzy 7/28/2013 12:51pm
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It never hurts to test things out!
Even if what your trying may be the norm
testing is always good to gauge things.
There's been great results for ALL
3 guys currently riding Factory Hondas
using the hydralic system,
so take what you will from that.
Jumping to conclusions is like dumping the clutch!
Haha...
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TeamGreen 7/28/2013 1:01pm
7/28/2013 1:01pm Edited Date/Time 7/28/2013 4:30pm
Ozzy wrote:
It never hurts to test things out! Even if what your trying may be the norm testing is always good to gauge things. There's been great...
It never hurts to test things out!
Even if what your trying may be the norm
testing is always good to gauge things.
There's been great results for ALL
3 guys currently riding Factory Hondas
using the hydralic system,
so take what you will from that.
Jumping to conclusions is like dumping the clutch!
Haha...
Be honest...

Certain wisemen LOVE the Hydro; because, it takes the "adjustable wheel of doom" out of the rider's hand. LITERALLY.

As I recall, some riders can't leave the clutch adjuster Alone; so, the best thing to do is run a clutch that the rider can't adjust to death.

I've been through this with a few riders. Bullet-proof clutches, hydro-systems or a thump on the head is the only fixes I've found.
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VRR7 7/28/2013 1:02pm
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Ozzy wrote:
It never hurts to test things out! Even if what your trying may be the norm testing is always good to gauge things. There's been great...
It never hurts to test things out!
Even if what your trying may be the norm
testing is always good to gauge things.
There's been great results for ALL
3 guys currently riding Factory Hondas
using the hydralic system,
so take what you will from that.
Jumping to conclusions is like dumping the clutch!
Haha...
And Even Better Results with Cable Clutch ...
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jtiger12 7/28/2013 1:17pm
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Ozzy wrote:
It never hurts to test things out! Even if what your trying may be the norm testing is always good to gauge things. There's been great...
It never hurts to test things out!
Even if what your trying may be the norm
testing is always good to gauge things.
There's been great results for ALL
3 guys currently riding Factory Hondas
using the hydralic system,
so take what you will from that.
Jumping to conclusions is like dumping the clutch!
Haha...
VRR7 wrote:
And Even Better Results with Cable Clutch ...
VRR7, you have no idea who you are quoting there do you?

I LOVE my magura hydraulic on my 07 crf450. Wish I could afford A: New crf450 (I am a die hard honda guy), and B: the honda hydraulic nissin clutch and required hardware (cases, etc)
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plowboy 7/28/2013 1:27pm
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Legit question for those in the know...what happens when a hydraulic clutch over-heats. If there is no adjustability is the rider left with basically "no" clutch? We all know that JB loves to slip and adores the sound of a rev limiter being beaten to death...
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VRR7 7/28/2013 1:37pm
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Ozzy wrote:
It never hurts to test things out! Even if what your trying may be the norm testing is always good to gauge things. There's been great...
It never hurts to test things out!
Even if what your trying may be the norm
testing is always good to gauge things.
There's been great results for ALL
3 guys currently riding Factory Hondas
using the hydralic system,
so take what you will from that.
Jumping to conclusions is like dumping the clutch!
Haha...
VRR7 wrote:
And Even Better Results with Cable Clutch ...
jtiger12 wrote:
VRR7, you have no idea who you are quoting there do you? I LOVE my magura hydraulic on my 07 crf450. Wish I could afford A...
VRR7, you have no idea who you are quoting there do you?

I LOVE my magura hydraulic on my 07 crf450. Wish I could afford A: New crf450 (I am a die hard honda guy), and B: the honda hydraulic nissin clutch and required hardware (cases, etc)
Jtiger - I believe I was reiterating the point of the thread from guyb. Could be pure coincidence that Honda's did very well this weekend with cable clutches - Sure it was toungue in cheek origination - Still the stats confirm my post. Peronally I believe hydro clutches do not improve motocross bikes - Why not then go full auto - Would that then capture the imagination of the marketing world and completely hypnotize the audience into believing that it is a must have ! If you like it fantastic whatever blows your hair back. I am happy for you - It does seem that this thread and the results this weekend actually prove that is purely a marketing gimic ? And their are many takers Like you. I have heard this One Up Man Ship Argument many times - Cos Hydro is way bette and shame you only have a cable clutch ! I dis agree - Properly setup cable works very well and in any design school the simpler the better !
GuyB clearly wanted to open those can of worms for you-And hence your post....Oh dear it is so expensive you need cases etc etc WHY ? Does team Honda get better results with Hydro or Cable " Trey dug the change. " Seems not seems like the reverse actually ? Not conclusive ver tongue in cheek I know actuall no real deference so again WHY ? Cos it is more exotic and expensive if that adds to your ego and you ride faster then good for you ! Less feel and another layer removed from the control of your machine - Maybe install an auto gearbox plis I am sure we can make it very expensive so that everyone thinks it is important - Not actually necessary is the actual observation here .
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FGR01 7/28/2013 10:55pm
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They eliminated the Hydraulic clutch setup because it is not compatible with the Rekluse they are running now.
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gotwings 7/28/2013 11:00pm
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GuyB wrote:
Hmm...how many noticed that they were using a cable setup, rather than the hydraulic clutch that they'd used for a while. Trey dug the change.
Pics???
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VRR7 7/28/2013 11:13pm
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" Stewart has clearly been riding better as of late, with 2-2-3-3-1-3 scores in his last six motos. Canard’s run was also the best of the season for him. Canard actually credited some of his improvement to what changing from a works hydraulic clutch in his Honda back to a traditional cable clutch." - racerx
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Seamorbutts 7/29/2013 1:40am
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More expensive isn't always better.
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plowboy wrote:
Legit question for those in the know...what happens when a hydraulic clutch over-heats. If there is no adjustability is the rider left with basically "no" clutch...
Legit question for those in the know...what happens when a hydraulic clutch over-heats. If there is no adjustability is the rider left with basically "no" clutch? We all know that JB loves to slip and adores the sound of a rev limiter being beaten to death...
I've never experienced or heard of one overheating. Unlike brakes the slave cylinder is not close to a heat source so I think the chances of overheating are pretty slim.

As for reliability there's no way you'd convince me that a cable clutch is more reliable. Hydraulic brakes have been around for years and no one complains about their reliability.

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