Who's Mechanic is this ?

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500guy 4/28/2013 8:31pm
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This must be the Bizzarro World because in the real world that is Grooming in front of the Gate.

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500guy 4/28/2013 8:43pm
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Sounds fishy,

Who did he ask ? or Does Kawasaki have Radio Communication with the AMA ?

I always thought you had to get an official to remove a rock or what ever not ask permission , not to mention the wiping down of the sign on the gate was a rock stuck on there too ?
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AS64 4/28/2013 8:46pm
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Do any of you have the latest Transworld Motocross mag? (May) If you do, go to PAGE 42 and you'll see a response from Stewart somewhat related to this.
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pdub187 4/28/2013 9:31pm
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He's just trying to prove to DV that he does something. *whistle*
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TDeath21 4/28/2013 9:37pm
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Looks illegal to me unless they got the okay from the AMA.
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jeffro503 4/28/2013 9:43pm
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Watching that over and over......the Mechanic is grabbing a little dirt and dulling / scuffing the plastic on the starting gate. I don't think you can call that actual "grooming"......but that is a no-no I think. Scuffing the gate no.........not in the rule book , but touching any of the dirt in front of the gate....maybe?

Funny thing is........everything RV does is put under a microscope.....because the camera is always on him. Wonder if any other mechanics have done things like this and no one gave a shit?
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jeffro503 4/28/2013 9:50pm
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From Racer X.........

" Some controversey stirred up after the race when a shot on the SPEED TV broadcast showed Ryan Villopoto's mechanic Mike Williamson reaching in front of the starting gate to removed a rock. This is considered illegal in the AMA/FIM SX rulebook, as "farming" in front of the gate is not allowed.

We've heard two stories so far as to why this was okay on Saturday night. From the Villopoto camp, we heard that there was a big rock in front of RV's gate, and Williamson asked for permission to move it, and permission was granted by the race officials (we also hear Justin Barcia's mechanic did the same). Our Jordan Roberts checked in at the AMA trailer after the race and they added that no formal protests had been filed, anyway, and the official protest window had closed. So, the results stand as they were."


Soo....the mechanic had permission and he moved the little rock. No other riders , teams , mechanics , ect complained.
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bturner26x 4/28/2013 9:52pm
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I saw that to, I was wondering if that was legal. Def not something I've seen before. Looks like Williamson does more than just grips and graphics ☺
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mototrader 4/29/2013 12:30am
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not like they'd do anything about it anyways
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justme 4/29/2013 1:54am
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It was an act just to get into the other riders head, as if RV needs it and roughing the plastic matters, and to get them to think about what he was doing to give his rider an advantage. Maybe his mech was working towards bigger bonus $$.
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Seems like the old one rule for red heads and one rule for others has surfaced again...
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Hank_Thrill 4/29/2013 3:12am
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Next year I hope to see the mechanics take full advantage of this rule change by applying a thin layer of maple syrup on the starting gate.
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therealjonon 4/29/2013 5:24am
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some people just dont read do they???!!!!
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Scicchi 4/29/2013 5:31am
4/29/2013 5:31am Edited Date/Time 4/29/2013 5:35am
Maybe Erin did an interview in front of RV's gate before the race?

overthebars39 4/29/2013 5:31am
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Whitey wrote:
Seems like the old one rule for red heads and one rule for others has surfaced again...
We've heard two stories so far as to why this was okay on Saturday night. From the Villopoto camp, we heard that there was a big rock in front of RV's gate, and Williamson asked for permission to move it, and [size=25]permission was granted by the race officials (we also hear Justin Barcia's mechanic did the same)[/size]. Our Jordan Roberts checked in at the AMA trailer after the race and they added that [size=25]no formal protests had been filed[/size], anyway, and the official protest window had closed. So, the results stand as they were."

That premission and grooming could be protested, but no one did. Learn to read....

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jtomasik 4/29/2013 5:42am
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TDeath21 wrote:
Looks illegal to me unless they got the okay from the AMA.
It was during a red cross flag, so the AMA gave RV's camp the thumbs up.

Oh, gotta give props to 500guy for that pic....I thought Polaroid went out of business.
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G Force 4/29/2013 6:16am
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Regarding "no formal protests had been filed", I seem to remember Tiger Woods being penalized from a viewer calling in, pointing out the rule discrepancy. This was during the live broadcast. Guessing the phones were turned off at the AMA office at 1 am.

RV broke a rule, permission or not, received an unfair advantage nobody else was allowed to do. And should have been penalized a lap in accordance with the rule noted above.
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Jimfunn 4/29/2013 6:27am
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G Force wrote:
Regarding "no formal protests had been filed", I seem to remember Tiger Woods being penalized from a viewer calling in, pointing out the rule discrepancy. This...
Regarding "no formal protests had been filed", I seem to remember Tiger Woods being penalized from a viewer calling in, pointing out the rule discrepancy. This was during the live broadcast. Guessing the phones were turned off at the AMA office at 1 am.

RV broke a rule, permission or not, received an unfair advantage nobody else was allowed to do. And should have been penalized a lap in accordance with the rule noted above.
No one else did...apart from the others who did - Barcia...


This is a non-topic.
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kakarot 4/29/2013 6:27am
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Why risk a penalty when your rider has a 24 point lead?Perhaps it's business as usual.What's most surprising is no protest were filed,does this mean everyone is doing it?As far as Barcias' mechanic goes hearsay is just that.
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jeffro503 4/29/2013 6:33am
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G Force wrote:
Regarding "no formal protests had been filed", I seem to remember Tiger Woods being penalized from a viewer calling in, pointing out the rule discrepancy. This...
Regarding "no formal protests had been filed", I seem to remember Tiger Woods being penalized from a viewer calling in, pointing out the rule discrepancy. This was during the live broadcast. Guessing the phones were turned off at the AMA office at 1 am.

RV broke a rule, permission or not, received an unfair advantage nobody else was allowed to do. And should have been penalized a lap in accordance with the rule noted above.
G-force......read overthebars39's post ( two above yours ). RV or his mechanic didn't break any rules.........they "asked for permission before doing anything".........Barcia's mechanic did the same thing.

BTW....that dirt had so many rocks in it , it was crazy. Looked like a lot of little ones.....still made the dirt look funky. Bet it didn't feel to good following someone either.
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500guy 4/29/2013 7:08am
4/29/2013 7:08am Edited Date/Time 4/29/2013 7:09am
Have any of you guys besides Jonon been down there on the gate at the start ?

I'm saying who did he ask and removing a rock doesn't include what ever he did in front of the gate and to the sign that is clearly in front of the gate.

Rules were broken here, Nobody did anything about it.
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jeffro503 4/29/2013 7:13am
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500guy wrote:
Have any of you guys besides Jonon been down there on the gate at the start ? I'm saying who did he ask and removing a...
Have any of you guys besides Jonon been down there on the gate at the start ?

I'm saying who did he ask and removing a rock doesn't include what ever he did in front of the gate and to the sign that is clearly in front of the gate.

Rules were broken here, Nobody did anything about it.
I guess you are having a hard time reading and understanding Jay? usually when a person "asks for permission" to do something.....and the other person says ( it's ok ).........basic comprehension skills says that it's ok to do whatever you need to do.

I find it kind of funny how some of you guys grasp at any straw there is to try and deduct points or ruin RV's credibility any way you can. Goes back to the pass on James "After" the red cross flag.........even a friggin' video wasn't enough for some of you guys.
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rcm406 4/29/2013 7:22am
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500guy wrote:
Have any of you guys besides Jonon been down there on the gate at the start ? I'm saying who did he ask and removing a...
Have any of you guys besides Jonon been down there on the gate at the start ?

I'm saying who did he ask and removing a rock doesn't include what ever he did in front of the gate and to the sign that is clearly in front of the gate.

Rules were broken here, Nobody did anything about it.
Exactly! It seem like everytime a rule is broke or there's some questions regarding rules being broken, RV is involved! I don't see it with any other rider. Makes me wonder what else RV is getting away with! Smile Sad
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jtomasik wrote:
It was during a red cross flag, so the AMA gave RV's camp the thumbs up. Oh, gotta give props to 500guy for that pic....I thought...
It was during a red cross flag, so the AMA gave RV's camp the thumbs up.

Oh, gotta give props to 500guy for that pic....I thought Polaroid went out of business.
Easy big fella... That's the same camera his great grandfather used to catch the first known photographic evidence Big Foot!
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Zaugg 4/29/2013 7:51am
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You guys should file a protest...oops...you can't.
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Dirtydane 4/29/2013 7:54am
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The removal of that rock made him champion.
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pilotdude 4/29/2013 7:59am
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500guy wrote:
Have any of you guys besides Jonon been down there on the gate at the start ? I'm saying who did he ask and removing a...
Have any of you guys besides Jonon been down there on the gate at the start ?

I'm saying who did he ask and removing a rock doesn't include what ever he did in front of the gate and to the sign that is clearly in front of the gate.

Rules were broken here, Nobody did anything about it.
rcm406 wrote:
Exactly! It seem like everytime a rule is broke or there's some questions regarding rules being broken, RV is involved! I don't see it with any...
Exactly! It seem like everytime a rule is broke or there's some questions regarding rules being broken, RV is involved! I don't see it with any other rider. Makes me wonder what else RV is getting away with! Smile Sad
He seems to be getting away with a hell of a lot of wins and championships.

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