Should lappers get the black flag?

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fader418 11/21/2012 5:11pm
11/21/2012 5:11pm Edited Date/Time 11/21/2012 7:16pm
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Radical 11/21/2012 5:13pm
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It's good the way it is now.
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MX45 11/21/2012 5:15pm
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No.
I doubt it is ever (or very rarely) a rider's intention to mess with the leaders.
I do think the current nature of the event can make it hard to completely avoid that scenario, despite a rider's best intentions.

Should the tracks be wider? Longer? Have more options?
Less whoops? More bowl turns? Inside berms? Fresh track designs?
Less haybales lining the track? New approach to haybales altogether?
Blue flag rules enforced? Less laps? Different format entirely?
Should rider communication be allowed? One way or two way?

I would address those questions before even considering eliminating a rider for getting lapped.
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jemcee 11/21/2012 5:33pm
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peelout wrote:
if you are lapped before the half-way point in supercross. yes. see you later. better luck next time. if you're lapped after the half-way point, no...
if you are lapped before the half-way point in supercross. yes. see you later. better luck next time.

if you're lapped after the half-way point, no.

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loftyair 11/21/2012 5:53pm
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The slow dudes that are no longer going fast, but just being a moving road-block, and to the casual observer, it looks un-professional, they should decide that they should just get the hell off the track for themselves.
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Pdub 11/21/2012 5:58pm
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Yes, but this will only work for supercross mains and then only if the gate is limited to 10 riders. The racing will be even more exciting and easier to follow. Then there can be a consolation main for the other 10 riders.
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MW19 11/21/2012 6:01pm
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Herlings would be the only rider left on the track.... (kidding)
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bvm111 11/21/2012 6:14pm
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this is as good idea as the salary cap and the combine 450 and 250 in second moto in the GPs... i always wonder what bad ideas were disgarded to choose these magnificent decisions.... jimminy christmas!!!!
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Hank_Thrill 11/21/2012 6:16pm
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Overall it seems like a good idea, but there would be massive amounts of complaining during races where title contenders go a lap down due to a wreck. James Stewart's 2011 Daytona ride comes to mind.
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mmcmx 11/22/2012 12:47am
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Maybe ban passes while being blue flaged so they dont have to fight por position. Then they will not have any excuse to not move out of the fast line.
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Aaryn234 11/22/2012 1:40am
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I am sure sponsors would be willing to put up even more money if the bikes their logos were on were only on track for part of a race! Dry
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Braaap14 11/22/2012 2:48am
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Usually the guys getting lapped consistently are not getting paid that great .. what are they racing for? Personal pride? Sense of achievement? Could be anything. But when its hardly worthwhile financially and then your speed, position and actions on track affect those going for wins its time to rethink and redefine the development of the sport. The mains should have a tighter seeding ratio, something like f1 where a % within the leaders time is required to make the cut. Less slow riders, less traffic. Safer & better racing.
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Braaap14 11/22/2012 2:53am
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Think of races where the top 15 guys go at it. No squirelly shit. No nonsense in the way, clear track for the best to do what they can and imagine how much better & consistent racing could be. Its already inherently crazy to begin with.

A main. B main. Problem solved.
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Motocross83 11/22/2012 3:31am
11/22/2012 3:31am
The rules should be enforced as much as humanly possible in order to try and stop races from being influenced or directly ruined by lapped riders but otherwise any racer out on the track should have a right to salvage something imo.

Hell, some of the greatest most memorable salvage rides have happened with a top contender getting lapped - his jersey torn and his handlebars bent, yet somehow still sticking it out and bringing home the points that make the difference come the final. That's a good portion of what the spirit of this sport is about... being tough and hanging in there to the end whenever possible. I agree it's not desirable to see a race inadvertently ruined by lappers but most of the time that doesn't really happen.

I think more riders had their race ruined from being directly taken out with very questionable passes last year than collisions with lapped riders i.e Stewart and Weimer LA etc. Yet we generally don't call for an instant DQ in such an incident. I know that's not an accurate comparison but my point is that they can both alter the outcome of someones race due to another rider and through no fault of their own.
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Aaron_Hart 11/22/2012 4:30am
11/22/2012 4:30am
what about a mud race, you'd have half the field out by the 6th lap
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motogrady 11/22/2012 4:49am
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I think even the blue flags should go away.
Effin factories, how easy do they want to make it for their salesman to put their
brand out front?

A guy qualifies, signs to race an event, he should get the whole event.]

Freakin premodonnas need to deal with them like any other obstacle,
be it a sand section, a RedBud 350 footer, or a slower rider.
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TerryK 11/22/2012 5:14am
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I think it's a great idea. Even better, one lap races. Problem solved.
Stanton876 11/22/2012 5:21am
11/22/2012 5:21am
I think when the lappers start rolling the triples etc then they should be black flagged because it becomes a safety issue for everyone but not until then.

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xnationalwrench 11/22/2012 5:32am
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Stanton876 wrote:
I think when the lappers start rolling the triples etc then they should be black flagged because it becomes a safety issue for everyone but not...
I think when the lappers start rolling the triples etc then they should be black flagged because it becomes a safety issue for everyone but not until then.
Maybe like Nascar you have to maintain a certain lap time (speed) for each different track?
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robkinuk 11/22/2012 6:24am
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Good job they didn't bring this stupid idea in for the MXDN @ Lommel. Loosing both Baggett's moto scores would have hurt Team USA's chances!
pistolpete451 11/22/2012 6:25am
11/22/2012 6:25am
Lappers are just another obstacle on the track like a sand section, water hole or whoop section. Let the better or luckier rider get around . It adds excitement to the race, so your rider gets held up a bit , so what , he can catch up through the whoops.
Lappers Rule!!!!!
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jleews6 11/22/2012 6:30am
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If they are out there giving everything they got then NO they shouldnt get the black flag. If they are out there riding around sitting on the seat and going my speed after the half way point then YES give them the black flag and a one race suspention.

It drives me crazy to see these guys make the big show and then "give up" half way through the race and just ride around. I know what it takes to moto at full speed for 30 minutes but if they are at that level then they should be able to moto for the 30 minutes even if its not at the same pace as the top guy's.
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Regis 11/22/2012 6:34am
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Lappers have and should be an instrumental part of racing. Sure they can help or hurt you but that is and always should be a part of racing.
Stanton876 11/22/2012 6:35am
11/22/2012 6:35am
pistolpete451 wrote:
Lappers are just another obstacle on the track like a sand section, water hole or whoop section. Let the better or luckier rider get around...
Lappers are just another obstacle on the track like a sand section, water hole or whoop section. Let the better or luckier rider get around . It adds excitement to the race, so your rider gets held up a bit , so what , he can catch up through the whoops.
Lappers Rule!!!!!
When they're going about as slow as a local novice rider because they only have the fitness to do 3 laps before they roll the triples (Jeff Alessi is a great example) it becomes a danger to other riders. As Rock said a lapped rider no longer racing tangled with Canard and that's how Canard broke his femur.

When you're no longer racing and rolling everything you should be black flagged. I think this makes it fair, allows for lapped riders to still race(if they're jumping and actually racing) and makes it safer for the leaders.
bartziokas123 11/22/2012 7:28am
11/22/2012 7:28am
mmcmx wrote:
Maybe ban passes while being blue flaged so they dont have to fight por position. Then they will not have any excuse to not move out...
Maybe ban passes while being blue flaged so they dont have to fight por position. Then they will not have any excuse to not move out of the fast line.
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pistolpete451 11/22/2012 7:28am
11/22/2012 7:28am
pistolpete451 wrote:
Lappers are just another obstacle on the track like a sand section, water hole or whoop section. Let the better or luckier rider get around...
Lappers are just another obstacle on the track like a sand section, water hole or whoop section. Let the better or luckier rider get around . It adds excitement to the race, so your rider gets held up a bit , so what , he can catch up through the whoops.
Lappers Rule!!!!!
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When they're going about as slow as a local novice rider because they only have the fitness to do 3 laps before they roll the triples...
When they're going about as slow as a local novice rider because they only have the fitness to do 3 laps before they roll the triples (Jeff Alessi is a great example) it becomes a danger to other riders. As Rock said a lapped rider no longer racing tangled with Canard and that's how Canard broke his femur.

When you're no longer racing and rolling everything you should be black flagged. I think this makes it fair, allows for lapped riders to still race(if they're jumping and actually racing) and makes it safer for the leaders.
I see your point, if someone has given up and rolling everything he should be pulled out, but lappers still racing are part of the game and are there to race.

No offense to Canard but he very well could have broken his femur huckabuckin in a whoop section as tangling with a lapper, that's the point i'm trying to make.

People have posted on here about trying to slow down the tracks etc. to make the racing better. Maybe Feld should have a 30 rider main to really mix up the fast five guys. Better yet maybe they could hire Sorbe to race backwards on the track for that ultimate obstacle .
pistolpete451 11/22/2012 7:38am
11/22/2012 7:38am
jleews6 wrote:
If they are out there giving everything they got then NO they shouldnt get the black flag. If they are out there riding around sitting on...
If they are out there giving everything they got then NO they shouldnt get the black flag. If they are out there riding around sitting on the seat and going my speed after the half way point then YES give them the black flag and a one race suspention.

It drives me crazy to see these guys make the big show and then "give up" half way through the race and just ride around. I know what it takes to moto at full speed for 30 minutes but if they are at that level then they should be able to moto for the 30 minutes even if its not at the same pace as the top guy's.
This. Not sure about the suspension though
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KlootZak 11/22/2012 8:23am
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I can tell by the stupidness of the idea that we are in the off-season ...
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berno929 wrote:
So you would actually have to black flag them before they get lapped in order for them not to be in the leader's way? How exactly...
So you would actually have to black flag them before they get lapped in order for them not to be in the leader's way? How exactly do you figure how long it's gonna take Villopoto to catch Tickle who is a lane ahead of him on lap 18 ?

What if Villopoto crashes on the start and gets going as the leaders go by, he sticks with them and they lap up to 12th...

There's no way to manage this properly so let's forget this.
My counterpoint with these scenarios is that the rule would be, if your riding on the track and the leaders are coming up behind you, and they get within 3 or 5 seconds Or whatever (pick a margin), then you get a flag where you MUST get off the throttle and pull over. If you continue to race the track then you get black flagged. how many times a flagger things they’re out of the way of the leader but continue to attack the track on the outside line or whatever only to be getting in the way and ruining the fucken battle that everyone is watching

Harsh point in all this that snowflakes get offended with is that no one gives a shit about the battle the lappers are in, if they did then the camera would be on it.
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