For $1395, Who the eff is buying?

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watson 11/9/2012 12:47pm
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I have a single for $525 and a dual for $749. Some guys on ThumperTalk will give you their impression on how the duals work. The...
I have a single for $525 and a dual for $749. Some guys on ThumperTalk will give you their impression on how the duals work. The single works even better.
You guys have fantastic looking systems, better than both FMF and Pro Circuit in my opinion. However, will Rocket Exhaust be ready when Honda decides to dabble in thrice pipes for better mass centralization? Tongue
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peelout 11/9/2012 12:48pm
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i bought three. just because i can.

suck it Obama

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dirthead1 11/9/2012 1:15pm
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I'd rather buy a cam and 10-15 tires...
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LappedU 11/9/2012 1:25pm
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In the early 80's you could buy any brand new 250 two stroke for that much, damn!

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newmann 11/9/2012 1:43pm
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Not trying to keep up with the joneses, But this is definitely going to price people out of this sport! I will stick with my trusty...
Not trying to keep up with the joneses, But this is definitely going to price people out of this sport!

I will stick with my trusty old 2001 yz250f
Still have my 01 as well. Lots of trick shit on it and it is worth absolutely nothing as far as resale is concerned. About time for a full teardown and frame paint/ rebuild. There was a damn near new 01 for sale a while back that I almost snatched up for a lifetime of spare parts.
St Ann More 11/9/2012 2:20pm
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Pourcel wants in on the potential 2013 PC 450 program - the money has gotta come from somewhere! Wink
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TeamGreen 11/9/2012 2:21pm
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Dearest Angry-Complainers:

1 header
2 mid pipes & a. Splitter.
2 mufflers

Go compare this to a '12 CRF450 pipe & get back to me.

You're getting about 1.6 times the product for what? 10% more?

Here's a question for you complaining "Rocky-Mountain-Shopper" types:

Are the manufacturers making More profit on these Twin-Systems...or Less?
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The Rock 11/9/2012 2:24pm
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LOL! Still it's very necessary for this huge group of riders that feels the 54 hp isn't enough, and want those extra 1,3 or whatever, and...
LOL! Still it's very necessary for this huge group of riders that feels the 54 hp isn't enough, and want those extra 1,3 or whatever, and that the decrease weight with 2.35 lbs is really what made the same rider to clinch that trophy in 40+ C...

I like bling, but sometimes we behave like retards...

Any person bitching about lack of power of a 450, meanwhile doesn't stand a chance to qualify for a Nationals or whatever needs another kind of head work than he's asking for.
Don't confuse the following as a blessing for 1400 dollar pipes:

Aftermarket pipes are not just about more power but more so about a different type of power. Depending on the pipe you go with, an aftermarket pipe can actually make 450's easier to go fast on.

BTW does anyone reading this thread actually pay retail for anything moto wise? There's a difference between retail price and street price the majority of the time.
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mx836 11/9/2012 2:28pm
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I think that the durability and more parts statement is bullshit. I had 2006, 2008, 2009 CRF250R's with at least 100 hours on each. I ran...
I think that the durability and more parts statement is bullshit.

I had 2006, 2008, 2009 CRF250R's with at least 100 hours on each. I ran stock exhaust and crashed plenty, bent subframes and whatnot, but never had to replace any of the exhaust parts.

If anything they don't stick out and get mangled in a crash or collision during a race.

Plus the dual muffler unit is all one piece, so if a single falls off a dual would have to lose twice as many bolts to fall off.
Well I'm glad to hear that you haven't had to shell out thousands on exhausts. Maybe you just aren't crashing hard enough, because I've had to buy a bunch of them.
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This is a business , not a charity ,maybe one day unicef will get into the exhaust building business , but until then we're the people to see.
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mtl 11/9/2012 2:36pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
Dearest Angry-Complainers: 1 header 2 mid pipes & a. Splitter. 2 mufflers Go compare this to a '12 CRF450 pipe & get back to me. You're...
Dearest Angry-Complainers:

1 header
2 mid pipes & a. Splitter.
2 mufflers

Go compare this to a '12 CRF450 pipe & get back to me.

You're getting about 1.6 times the product for what? 10% more?

Here's a question for you complaining "Rocky-Mountain-Shopper" types:

Are the manufacturers making More profit on these Twin-Systems...or Less?
My original post asked this exact question. Are materials that much more expensive or is it just a money maker because its dual/4 stroke?

P.S. Cost is about 40% more for a 2013 than a 2012. $1k vs $1.4k
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TerryK 11/9/2012 2:47pm
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For the price of one exhaust system, I could buy a decent 250 2 stroke, spend a grand on a ton of trick stuff and have a bike that's 30 lbs lighter, 3 times cheaper to maintain and 10 times more fun to ride.
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I had $1500 invested in my '02 CR250, raced all season, and won the championship in my 40+ class. Lots of new blinged out iron on the gate with me. I would have loved to have had a new bike, but couldn't justify the expense and had plenty of fun anyway. However, as a lover of capitalism, I hope Mitch sells a pile of them.
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TeamGreen 11/9/2012 3:02pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
Dearest Angry-Complainers: 1 header 2 mid pipes & a. Splitter. 2 mufflers Go compare this to a '12 CRF450 pipe & get back to me. You're...
Dearest Angry-Complainers:

1 header
2 mid pipes & a. Splitter.
2 mufflers

Go compare this to a '12 CRF450 pipe & get back to me.

You're getting about 1.6 times the product for what? 10% more?

Here's a question for you complaining "Rocky-Mountain-Shopper" types:

Are the manufacturers making More profit on these Twin-Systems...or Less?
mtl wrote:
My original post asked this exact question. Are materials that much more expensive or is it just a money maker because its dual/4 stroke? P.S. Cost...
My original post asked this exact question. Are materials that much more expensive or is it just a money maker because its dual/4 stroke?

P.S. Cost is about 40% more for a 2013 than a 2012. $1k vs $1.4k
Go apples to apples at Yosh...FMF...etc
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Brent 11/9/2012 3:03pm
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Dsigner wrote:
Since we're posting Ads here now.. I'd go with what Factory Honda uses to win races. Factory Horsepower. [url=http://www.yoshimura-rd.com/t-NP_13_CRF450R.aspx]http://www.yoshimura-rd.com/t-NP_13_CRF450R.aspx[/url] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2012/11/09/CN_RS9_MEC_AD_864993.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2012/11/09/9I9D6126_90006.JPG[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2012/11/09/9I9D6174_242312.JPG[/img]
Since we're posting Ads here now.. I'd go with what Factory Honda uses to win races. Factory Horsepower.

http://www.yoshimura-rd.com/t-NP_13_CRF450R.aspx





Factory Honda uses factory racers to win races, Barcia could have won with the stock pipe.

I wonder how much the Yosh set up costs, look at all that carbon.
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DrSweden 11/9/2012 3:05pm
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DrSweden wrote:
LOL! Still it's very necessary for this huge group of riders that feels the 54 hp isn't enough, and want those extra 1,3 or whatever, and...
LOL! Still it's very necessary for this huge group of riders that feels the 54 hp isn't enough, and want those extra 1,3 or whatever, and that the decrease weight with 2.35 lbs is really what made the same rider to clinch that trophy in 40+ C...

I like bling, but sometimes we behave like retards...

Any person bitching about lack of power of a 450, meanwhile doesn't stand a chance to qualify for a Nationals or whatever needs another kind of head work than he's asking for.
The Rock wrote:
[b]Don't confuse the following as a blessing for 1400 dollar pipes:[/b] [i]Aftermarket pipes are not just about more power but more so about a different type...
Don't confuse the following as a blessing for 1400 dollar pipes:

Aftermarket pipes are not just about more power but more so about a different type of power. Depending on the pipe you go with, an aftermarket pipe can actually make 450's easier to go fast on.

BTW does anyone reading this thread actually pay retail for anything moto wise? There's a difference between retail price and street price the majority of the time.
I though the engine maps was enough if one really need different. Put a blindfold on 99.9% of the buyers, compared diff system and now many would tell the difference, and if they did, how would that make them faster?

I dig blink, I'm all into that. For a pro it makes a difference and despite I'm a slow squid, my CRF has Ti-goods for $1500, but it has done NOTHING to my lap times other than bragging rights in the pits.

I'm all for less noise, we both agree on that, but there's no correlation between pipes and speed improvement for the 99.9%

The truth cant be marketed. That's my point.
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mtl 11/9/2012 3:09pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
Go apples to apples at Yosh...FMF...etc
Full Ti

Rocket - $725 (I think its Ti) - n/m its SS/ALU
PC/Yosh - $1400
FMF - $1000

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Indy mxer 11/9/2012 3:10pm
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Brent wrote:
Wow look it saves 2.35 pounds over stock, I'll be hearing that excuse from the 275 lb beer gut vet rider that bought one, I guarantee...
Wow look it saves 2.35 pounds over stock, I'll be hearing that excuse from the 275 lb beer gut vet rider that bought one, I guarantee it.
Lmao. You just described a buddy of mine I ride with. Only thing is he rides a Kaw. lol
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The Rock 11/9/2012 3:29pm
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DrSweden wrote:
I though the engine maps was enough if one really need different. Put a blindfold on 99.9% of the buyers, compared diff system and now many...
I though the engine maps was enough if one really need different. Put a blindfold on 99.9% of the buyers, compared diff system and now many would tell the difference, and if they did, how would that make them faster?

I dig blink, I'm all into that. For a pro it makes a difference and despite I'm a slow squid, my CRF has Ti-goods for $1500, but it has done NOTHING to my lap times other than bragging rights in the pits.

I'm all for less noise, we both agree on that, but there's no correlation between pipes and speed improvement for the 99.9%

The truth cant be marketed. That's my point.
You raise a good point about mapping,

To be honest when i was doing pipe demos the bikes still had carburetors and from my mapping experience on YZF450s i can attest to the fact remaps definitely change the powerband. That having been said I'd like to hear from someone with more experience with EFI bikes and pipes than myself to speak to this remap versus pipe subject.

In the interim my gut tells me a pipe can impact the power band more so than a remap but maybe I'm out in left field on this one.
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velocitygear 11/9/2012 3:33pm
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Dudley wrote:
Wow that is pricy. Unfortunately, I crash too much to spend that kind of money on exhaust.
no doubt!
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velocitygear 11/9/2012 3:36pm
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DrSweden wrote:
I though the engine maps was enough if one really need different. Put a blindfold on 99.9% of the buyers, compared diff system and now many...
I though the engine maps was enough if one really need different. Put a blindfold on 99.9% of the buyers, compared diff system and now many would tell the difference, and if they did, how would that make them faster?

I dig blink, I'm all into that. For a pro it makes a difference and despite I'm a slow squid, my CRF has Ti-goods for $1500, but it has done NOTHING to my lap times other than bragging rights in the pits.

I'm all for less noise, we both agree on that, but there's no correlation between pipes and speed improvement for the 99.9%

The truth cant be marketed. That's my point.
The Rock wrote:
You raise a good point about mapping, To be honest when i was doing pipe demos the bikes still had carburetors and from my mapping experience...
You raise a good point about mapping,

To be honest when i was doing pipe demos the bikes still had carburetors and from my mapping experience on YZF450s i can attest to the fact remaps definitely change the powerband. That having been said I'd like to hear from someone with more experience with EFI bikes and pipes than myself to speak to this remap versus pipe subject.

In the interim my gut tells me a pipe can impact the power band more so than a remap but maybe I'm out in left field on this one.
I would tend to agree but not from personal experience. If the auto Industry is any example, a remap would be more beneficial..

For $1300; no chance!!!
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DrSweden 11/9/2012 3:51pm
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The Rock wrote:
You raise a good point about mapping, To be honest when i was doing pipe demos the bikes still had carburetors and from my mapping experience...
You raise a good point about mapping,

To be honest when i was doing pipe demos the bikes still had carburetors and from my mapping experience on YZF450s i can attest to the fact remaps definitely change the powerband. That having been said I'd like to hear from someone with more experience with EFI bikes and pipes than myself to speak to this remap versus pipe subject.

In the interim my gut tells me a pipe can impact the power band more so than a remap but maybe I'm out in left field on this one.
I'm sure a pipe can make a diff, on 250fs it's noticeable even for me, and one can discuss the importance there, just think its funny that with these 450, 50 hp + and now even diffent types of mapping, people really think they need even more options while a majority of the same don't even clear the average table top. Or I dice with my friend who just have the upper hand, maybe a new ti-pipe with some carbon will reduce that gap? I picture we all feel this when that card goes warm on eBay, but its just delusional. Again, embrace bling, like black rims and ditch performance enhancing theories.
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newmann 11/9/2012 4:00pm
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By this twice pipe logic a R1 needs eight mufflers. How much will that cost?
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seth505 11/9/2012 6:48pm
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It's not even dual exhaust, there is only one exhaust port.Laughing

It's a single exhaust with a Y pipe to dual mufflers. Dual mufflers on a 450cc single cylinder motor seems retarded to me but the only redeeming factor may be making 2 smaller/compact mufflers rather than a single huge one.
UpTiTe 11/9/2012 6:56pm
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Most of you would crap if you knew the mark up on PC cam and valves. The funny thing is, you can get them direct if you know where to go.
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TeamGreen 11/9/2012 7:01pm
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Apples to Apples for the Peanut Gallery...CRF450R:

2012 Yosh Carbon/Ti RS4D= $1095

2013 Yosh Carbon/Ti RS9= $1495

36% difference...and I believe that's the priciest of the brands we've discussed.

And FMF is what...$100 more than last year...200? The point is that there's a lot more product and work going into it.
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slipdog 11/9/2012 7:04pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
Most of you would crap if you knew the mark up on PC cam and valves. The funny thing is, you can get them direct if...
Most of you would crap if you knew the mark up on PC cam and valves. The funny thing is, you can get them direct if you know where to go.
Bingo!!! I just got some flat faced valves for $95 instead of PC's dished for $175

For that price I'll take the DW logo.
keeptwostrokesalive 11/9/2012 8:40pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
Dearest Angry-Complainers: 1 header 2 mid pipes & a. Splitter. 2 mufflers Go compare this to a '12 CRF450 pipe & get back to me. You're...
Dearest Angry-Complainers:

1 header
2 mid pipes & a. Splitter.
2 mufflers

Go compare this to a '12 CRF450 pipe & get back to me.

You're getting about 1.6 times the product for what? 10% more?

Here's a question for you complaining "Rocky-Mountain-Shopper" types:

Are the manufacturers making More profit on these Twin-Systems...or Less?
Whats wrong with rockymountain? Their prices are alaws cheaper than motosport and any other website motocross sites. I wouldnt buy from anyone else.
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observer 11/9/2012 8:49pm
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Jeezzzz Shocked
$1495 will buy you a complete 4 into 1 Yoshi exhaust system for a Suz GSXR1000....Laughing
And that's Ti....

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