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As of this post you've 4353 posts and they all say the same f*cking thing !!!!
Most people stopped listening to your broken record years ago and only the retards bother responding.
Whether your're right or not is immaterial, change the record (or quit), You can't be this tedious in real life, can you?
Pale Blue.
Top American riders don't go to Europe for one reason, they don't feel they have to "step down" until it is way too late in their careers. Some younger or second tier guys go over because they have no other real options, but that's really the only reason.
Of course a young rider is going to get better. That's how careers generally go. The more racing and practicing a young guy does, the better he gets.
The series aren't really that much different. The only major difference is the intensity of the racers themselves and the fact that tha AMA guys have to race a brutal SX series before the MX series even starts. If the GP guys started racing a full SX series on top of the GP series, they'd probably catch up to the AMA guys pretty quickly.
But right now, they don't and they aren't quite up there, as a group.
it has been several both winning and champions. tyla as you mention won a few last year.
if AC didint get payed right he would be swimming to amerika. Is pretty funny that you think the reson why he is not racing there is because he is scared
All the top riders choose a pretty hard career, but it was their own choice and they are not victims. The can make decent money from age 16-30 then it's all over. I think they follow the money and worry more about injuries and the economic situation more than who is the fastest. If anyone of them could choose between being the richest people in the sporting business or being regarded the fastest on a forum they would pick the first one. If not they are morons just like the rest of us here LOL
But he was not a world champion, only a runner up!
But it remains the case that apparently there are more opportunities to at least shoot for the big deal in the US, and that more top ~ top ~ talent comes here than leaves here. That's not to say that all the best riders leave the GPs, or that the ones that stay aren't making more than some of the one's that leave (at least initially). But what it does mean that one series is losing talent and another is gaining that talent, and in spite of being more rigorous for all the riders involved and especially for those that leave the GP's and have to adapt to a new world where the domestic riders are at home (McCread's current spin). Top GP talent still come here in spite of that.
Now we can imagine a world where they would all gravitate to the Siberian series, but in the real world the indisputable fact is that the more good riders (not all, more) gravitate to the US and that's to the benefit of the talent depth of this series and a detriment to the talent depth of the GP's.
But it doesn't settle who the fastest (or best) racer is over the course of a year.
Here are the champs. Race winner are a couple more
Greg Albertyn
Mickael Pichon
Jean-Michel Bayle
Christophe Pourcel
Did Pichon win a title before coming here, or after like Dobb?
It is easier for a 17-20 year old than a 26-30 year old to deal with the whole package in AMA. SX/MX.
The older MX1 guys tend to stay put. And the top MX1 guys have not much to gain, but a lot to lose to switch series.
Pit Row
Townley (Lites East)
Roncada (not a GP champ) also won an East Coast SX championship
So a deep sand race like Lommel is what you're going to use as a deciding factor in comparing the two series?
Well I suppose if thats the case then AC and JH better come to A1 because that is about the same comparison. MX Sports riders ride deep sand about as much as GP riders ride SX and the skill set is about as specific.
A good friend of mine raced both the GP's and the Nationals and in his opinion there was no comparison.The politics of the GP's mixed with the money of the AMA nationals have helped the Nationals become deeper, more intense, and more competitive.
My friend is English and surely not mistaken for a Euro and a real straight shooter.
In his opinion the Nationals are the ultimate test of the MX racer period. In the GP's you will find some guys as fast as anyone but not a field as deep and confident as the Nationls not including the SX series.
Bottom line is thT it doesnt matter why GP champions come to the Nationals, what matters is" be it money or pride" the best riders from around the world tend to come to the Nationals to try and lay claim to one of the two titles be it SX or US MX.
The US Nationals are not just US MX, they are US MX mixed with almost every world champion, and that makes them pretty damn interesting.
So now back to the MXDN.
Is it a GP versus MX Sports or America versus everyone?
Please pick one so I know what game we are playing.
1) Lommel is as specific to a dirt bike race as SX is. When all of the GP riders come over for the MXDN when it's held at A1 I will put as much weight onto this years MXDN's winner.
2) Riding the sand is way more fun than SX for me but some can do one way better than the other and make a hell of a lot better living.
3) I wish we could do a MX sports versus GP race instead of the MXDN. 20 vs 20 unless the GP cheifs choose a deep sand track which would cause MX Sports to choose a SX race the following year
I think MX Sports would be really hard to beat for an overall at SX, MX, or the deepest sand track.
MX SPORTS (SX, MX) RIDER ENTRY LIST FOR 2013 MXDN
1)RV
2)RD
3)JS
4)REED
5)TC
6)ALESSI
7)BAGGET
8)TOMAC
9)BARCIA
10)WILSON
11)Roczen
12)MM
13)TOWNLEY
14)RATTRAY
15)METCALF
16)Windham
17)DM
18)Short
19)CP??? Not sure where he'll be.
20) AC
So a deep sand race like Lommel is what you're going to use as a deciding factor in comparing the two series?
Well I suppose if thats the case then AC and JH better come to A1 because that is about the same comparison. MX Sports riders ride deep sand about as much as GP riders ride SX and the skill set is about as specific.
A friend of mine raced both the GP's and the Nationals and in his opinion there was no comparison.The politics of the GP's mixed with the money of the AMA nationals have helped the Nationals become deeper, more intense, and more competitive.
In his opinion the Nationals are the ultimate test of the MX racer period. In the GP's you will find some guys as fast as anyone but not a field as deep and confident as the Nationals not including the SX series.
Bottom line is that it doesnt matter why GP champions come to the Nationals, what matters is" be it money or pride" the best riders from around the world tend to come to the Nationals to try and lay claim to one of the two titles be it SX or US MX.
The US Nationals are not just US MX, they are US MX mixed with almost every world champion, and that makes them pretty darn interesting.
So now back to the MXDN.
Is it a GP versus MX Sports or America versus everyone?
Please pick one so I know what game we are playing.
1) Lommel is as specific to a dirt bike race as SX is. When all of the GP riders come over for the MXDN when it's held at A1 then I will put as much weight onto this years MXDN's winner.
2) Riding the sand is way more fun than SX for me but some can do one way better than the other and make a hell of a lot better living.
3) I wish we could do a MX Sports versus GP race instead of the MXDN. 20 vs 20 unless the GP cheifs choose a deep sand track which would cause MX Sports to choose a SX race the following year
I think MX Sports would be really hard to beat for an overall at SX, MX, or the deepest sand track.
MX SPORTS (SX, MX) RIDER ENTRY LIST FOR 2013 MXDN
1)RV
2)RD
3)JS
4)REED
5)TC
6)ALESSI
7)BAGGET
8)TOMAC
9)BARCIA
10)WILSON
11)Roczen
12)MM
13)TOWNLEY
14)RATTRAY
15)METCALF
16)Windham
17)DM
18)Short
19)CP??? Not sure where he'll be.
20) AC
Through all your BS, at least you can be honest.
BTW: They not only have spanked them, they have spanked them on American tracks for several seasons now. Even I had higher expectations of Musquin and Roxy, but it just shows how much the kids here put into the sport.
In all seriousness, AC is smart to stay in EU as he can see what became of the former "world champs". Better to be on top in a small pond than to be average in a large one.
One last point....How many times has Americans dominated the MdN now? You can never discredit this record.
What would be great is to see your boy Herlings get his ass handed to him in the sand, just so you stop spewing so much nonsense. Only time will tell if he's as good as you say though.
You guys are dreaming.
This is pretty much the only sport that has anything like the MXdN.
It is a very, very big deal.
All this "if if if, or because because because," stuff, just cheap talk.
The MXdN is real, and so, the only way one can put a yardstick on what countries
have the best riders at that point in time.
that's what one guy thinks anyway.
Guys like Langston, JMB, Albertyn did it for that reason, not the money! And by doing so they have also shown that the GP's have some of the fastest riders in the world!
Well If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, we’d all have a merry Christmas too.
I understand where you're coming from and I'm not saying that's entirely wrong. But it's also human nature (especially in young males) to seek fame and fortune. I think you're underestimating what a powerful drive that is. I love watching the GPs as much as the Nationals. However they're both very different series, and I have no doubt that overall the Nationals offer a greater chance for wider recognition and money. As much as you're going to get in our sport anyway.
If the MX GPs were world famous to F1 or Moto GP levels, regardless of how much potentially faster or tougher the Nationals are - I don't believe you would see either hide nor hair of guys like Roczen in America. At least not at the current levels we do now. And vice versa. Of course people want fame and recognition for what they do, I mean who doesn't? The more the better. Even the most laid back introvert has an ego buried somewhere within their character. I agree it's not the only factor or the primary reason they initially got going (I sure as hell don't do it for those reasons lol). But c'mon, it is a factor.
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