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9/12/2012 9:27am
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Sweet! There seems to be alot of insurgents in the picture!
9/12/2012 9:34am Edited Date/Time 9/12/2012 9:37am
Unadilla is among the fastest tracks on the circuit. It rutted up this year. I'll grant you that many of out tracks were faster than Brazil...
Unadilla is among the fastest tracks on the circuit. It rutted up this year.

I'll grant you that many of out tracks were faster than Brazil and Sweden this year. Wink Otherwise, the track "differences" between the two series seem to me to be immaterial for the most part other than the deep sand in the low countries. And I suspect that the tracks here are a bit longer given the FIM regs (which had to be suspended for Glen Helen when it was on the calendar).

Geoff, you said yourself a month or so ago that the "technical" aspects of the current GP tracks were more the artificial rhythm/timing sections than traditional old school features.

These supposed differences in travel burden and tracks seemed to get argued one way or another depending on how the wind blows.
As a viewer and from the interviews I've read/heard, the impression I get is that the GP circuits are a little more 'abrupt'. In other words they're compact, slower, a touch more tricky and technical. Take the track in Faenza this past weekend for example - there were many points on that circuit where the riders were neither fully on the gas nor fully on the brakes. Some of the rutted downhill off camber sections where they were leaning over on the pegs, drifting round, carrying their momentum from the previous section etc. It's not so much about accelerating hard and then braking hard and then doing the corner before accelerating off again. The National circuits "tend" to flow a bit better.

Not saying the National tracks don't have ANY sections like that or that they're mindless freeways. Absolutely not. But I do think the GPs have a more traditional feel to them.
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9/12/2012 9:38am Edited Date/Time 9/12/2012 9:40am
Unadilla is among the fastest tracks on the circuit. It rutted up this year. I'll grant you that many of out tracks were faster than Brazil...
Unadilla is among the fastest tracks on the circuit. It rutted up this year.

I'll grant you that many of out tracks were faster than Brazil and Sweden this year. Wink Otherwise, the track "differences" between the two series seem to me to be immaterial for the most part other than the deep sand in the low countries. And I suspect that the tracks here are a bit longer given the FIM regs (which had to be suspended for Glen Helen when it was on the calendar).

Geoff, you said yourself a month or so ago that the "technical" aspects of the current GP tracks were more the artificial rhythm/timing sections than traditional old school features.

These supposed differences in travel burden and tracks seemed to get argued one way or another depending on how the wind blows.
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FTE, From memory GP circuits were wide open and dust, hahahaha. GP riders didn''t know a whoop from a double, remember Smets complaining in 1996 at...
FTE,

From memory GP circuits were wide open and dust, hahahaha. GP riders didn''t know a whoop from a double, remember Smets complaining in 1996 at the MXoN in Spain about the double jumps.

Thats changed big time and our tracks have a lot of supercross type sections, wave sections, little jumps here and there and some big jumps. But that slows riders down, it doesn''t make the circuit faster.

I don''t know, I keep hearing how AMA circuits are slow, but I keep hearing from riders who have raced them that they are wide open. I just comment on what I am told by riders. I don't use my own opinion, because I am not a racer and don''t have the balls to be one.

Geoff
Don't think I ever said the US tracks were slow. Maybe it's possible for a track to have fast sections as well as have technical sections that require throttle control. We're talking like they are incompatible. But if SX-like technical sections are what demand throttle control, then that skill would seem to be pretty covered here as well.

It would be interesting to sit down with the Alli and MXLife archives and really vet the issue track by track. I think we're tossing around a lot of generalities that don't really play out as dramatically as people are arguing (other than a couple of awesome sand tracks it would be great to have here).
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9/12/2012 9:51am Edited Date/Time 9/12/2012 9:52am
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Until a series with AMA and FIM riders race the same series in both America and Europe and the points are tallied all this BS about...
Until a series with AMA and FIM riders race the same series in both America and Europe and the points are tallied all this BS about who is better is just that BS. A non American racing in America has his back to the wall straight away, and because top American's don't want to race in Europe, we can never get a level idea of how they would deal with that change.

Even with the American economy being like it is the biggest money is still in America, maybe not like it was, but still it is a good place to earn a dollar if you are one of the top five guys. Europe does not pay their top five like America pay theirs and Americans are not interested in anything that is not American, so forget seeing a Villopoto, Dungey or Stewart doing the GPs.

What the whole Roczen affair has taught me is that the fastest MX2 rider in the World, and he clearly showed that in the 2010 and 2011 MXoN, beating all the top MX2 riders and a bunch of the leading MX1 and Open riders found it tough racing a series that suits the American riders.

No disrespect to Baggett, Barcia and Tomac, because clearly those guys are the fastest three 250cc riders in America, no matter who the World sent, but they can not lay claim to being the fastest MX2 riders in the World and there is no way of finding out if they are or not.

It doesn't matter who comes up against Herlings in Lommel, they ain''t going to beat him. His advantage in sand is even greater than the advantage the American riders have in America. he could crash and still pass nearly the whole field, MXoN or GP. Herling might just be the greatest sand rider we have ever seen, he is that good. Put him in the AMA series and he might finish 6th. Put an AMA rider up against him in sand and he will make them look slow.

So all the bragging about who is best can not be resolved by anything that has occured for non American riders racing in America and until we have a series with all the riders racing eachother, in different countries, then nobody knows who the best is.

We can guess that Villopoto is the fastest rider in the World (he gets my vote), but again it is just a guess.

Geoff
I'm sure this has been stated, already, but the vast majority of our young guys don't give a phuck about racing the GP's. They do them on an, oh god I need a ride basis only.

Sure, there are fast guys on the GP circuit, but we clearly don't give a shit how fast they are because 7 out of ten of your very fastest MX2 champs decide they want to race the US SX's and Nat's. Is that purely a monetary decision or do they not want to be a big fish in a small pond? Hell, I don't know, but your GP's are hemorrhaging hot young talent (that sounded like a porn reference lol) to the US series faster than it can be produced.

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9/12/2012 9:52am
One things for sure, both series consist of their fair share of rough track's. One series can't claim to have 'tougher' tracks than the other.
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As a viewer and from the interviews I've read/heard, the impression I get is that the GP circuits are a little more 'abrupt'. In other words...
As a viewer and from the interviews I've read/heard, the impression I get is that the GP circuits are a little more 'abrupt'. In other words they're compact, slower, a touch more tricky and technical. Take the track in Faenza this past weekend for example - there were many points on that circuit where the riders were neither fully on the gas nor fully on the brakes. Some of the rutted downhill off camber sections where they were leaning over on the pegs, drifting round, carrying their momentum from the previous section etc. It's not so much about accelerating hard and then braking hard and then doing the corner before accelerating off again. The National circuits "tend" to flow a bit better.

Not saying the National tracks don't have ANY sections like that or that they're mindless freeways. Absolutely not. But I do think the GPs have a more traditional feel to them.
Whose tradition? Geoff mentioned above that the older school tracks tended to be faster and more flat out?

The FIM rules now (since 2004 or so I think) limit track length (unless exceptions made) to 1.5-1.75km (.9-1.1 miles). That may have something to do with the compact tracks.
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I think the US has a lot deeper field. But with that said, I think the GP riders are a lot better in sand, or sandy tracks. Your correct we will never know who is the best in the world per say. But You will have a good idea. Its far to expensive for riders to race all over the world. Yes the GP guys do it. IDK how they affourd it, but for a privateer to do that would be very very very hard.
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Both Matthes and Villopoto commented on the shale/rocks at Saint Jean d'Angely last year which suggested to me that Americans have become used to this modern practice of racing on perfect dirt.
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I think the US has a lot deeper field. But with that said, I think the GP riders are a lot better in sand, or sandy...
I think the US has a lot deeper field. But with that said, I think the GP riders are a lot better in sand, or sandy tracks. Your correct we will never know who is the best in the world per say. But You will have a good idea. Its far to expensive for riders to race all over the world. Yes the GP guys do it. IDK how they affourd it, but for a privateer to do that would be very very very hard.
Your MX2 class is a lot stronger this year, but a couple of seasons ago the MX2 class over here was really good. Our MX1 class is pretty deep right now, despite Cairoli running away with the title again this year. It just naturally goes in phases.
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Don't think I ever said the US tracks were slow. Maybe it's possible for a track to have fast sections as well as have technical sections...
Don't think I ever said the US tracks were slow. Maybe it's possible for a track to have fast sections as well as have technical sections that require throttle control. We're talking like they are incompatible. But if SX-like technical sections are what demand throttle control, then that skill would seem to be pretty covered here as well.

It would be interesting to sit down with the Alli and MXLife archives and really vet the issue track by track. I think we're tossing around a lot of generalities that don't really play out as dramatically as people are arguing (other than a couple of awesome sand tracks it would be great to have here).
That would be very interesting to see, my guess is that we would find that the average speed on the tracks would be very close, the length of the tracks are the biggest difference. I'm not sure I understand why the GP's have the maximum length rule as it makes about as much sense as the age limit in MX2. It probably was done for the tracks they were doing at the road race facilities that they felt was needed at the time.
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9/12/2012 10:19am Edited Date/Time 9/12/2012 10:20am
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That would be very interesting to see, my guess is that we would find that the average speed on the tracks would be very close, the...
That would be very interesting to see, my guess is that we would find that the average speed on the tracks would be very close, the length of the tracks are the biggest difference. I'm not sure I understand why the GP's have the maximum length rule as it makes about as much sense as the age limit in MX2. It probably was done for the tracks they were doing at the road race facilities that they felt was needed at the time.
They changed it for TV. They wanted a minimum/maximum lap time for both audience enjoyment and logistical purposes... apparently.
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That would be very interesting to see, my guess is that we would find that the average speed on the tracks would be very close, the...
That would be very interesting to see, my guess is that we would find that the average speed on the tracks would be very close, the length of the tracks are the biggest difference. I'm not sure I understand why the GP's have the maximum length rule as it makes about as much sense as the age limit in MX2. It probably was done for the tracks they were doing at the road race facilities that they felt was needed at the time.
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They changed it for TV. They wanted a minimum/maximum lap time for both audience enjoyment and logistical purposes... apparently.
but in the end they only save less than a minute...or one commercial.
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9/12/2012 10:40am
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If any non American wins in America, against American rider, hell yes I would rate them the best. Guys like Reed, Langston, Albertyn, even Vuillemin don't...
If any non American wins in America, against American rider, hell yes I would rate them the best. Guys like Reed, Langston, Albertyn, even Vuillemin don't get the credit for what they are doing. Home ground advantage, every single week you have the crowd screaming against you, you have the culture reminding you that you are not at home. All your family and real friends are thousands of miles away. I don't understand that you guys don''t understand that.

That type of envoriment broke guys like Tommy Searle and Christophe Pourcel. As much as the speed of the riders, the whole experience was new and they didn''t relate to it. Roczen has been the same, he hasn't dealt with the whole American way of life.

Man, I know if I am travelling how much I love getting back to the warmth of my own house, see my family (kids) and eat from my own kitchen and even shop where I am comfortable. Think about it.

Must take years to get used to that.

Geoff
Certainly there is some "home field advantage" the home field needs to be defined a little better. Not sure I'd define it based solely on country of origin. But the crowd screaming against you comments is way off. The crowd seems to scream at those the crowd likes and those the crowd dislikes regardless of country of origin. Marvin and Kenny were both well received here. At time the yelling against Stewart is appalling.
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9/12/2012 10:41am Edited Date/Time 9/12/2012 10:47am
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but in the end they only save less than a minute...or one commercial.
I think it was more to do with what YS felt was an optimum lap time for keeping viewers engaged (maybe they researched it?) but also how much of the track they could cover with a certain number of cameras and the additional cost of employing extra camera's/operatives and cabling. Maybe they set a budget for the tv production that they wanted to stick to. Both Luongo and just recently DC have mentioned how expensive just one tv camera is.
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9/12/2012 10:53am
To compare the two series is ludicrous. They are so different its impossible to compare. I've been that guy who moved to a different country and had to adjust. It's not simple even if it is moving to the greatest country on the planet. This forum use to be fun,funny and interesting but now it's a giant Europe vs USA pissing contest on every thread! Depressing.
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9/12/2012 10:58am Edited Date/Time 9/12/2012 10:59am
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To compare the two series is ludicrous. They are so different its impossible to compare. I've been that guy who moved to a different country and...
To compare the two series is ludicrous. They are so different its impossible to compare. I've been that guy who moved to a different country and had to adjust. It's not simple even if it is moving to the greatest country on the planet. This forum use to be fun,funny and interesting but now it's a giant Europe vs USA pissing contest on every thread! Depressing.
Exactly, you can't compare. Especially at a Des Nations.

I didn't realise you held the UK in such high regard Tongue
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Excuses, excuses, excuses.................
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9/12/2012 11:07am Edited Date/Time 9/12/2012 11:08am
Got to have a top 10 riders of each series in both classes type deal set up by DC and MX sports or Feld every other year in the US and by whomever in Europe. MX Sports best vs GP's best. The time has come.
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9/12/2012 12:47pm
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Until a series with AMA and FIM riders race the same series in both America and Europe and the points are tallied all this BS about...
Until a series with AMA and FIM riders race the same series in both America and Europe and the points are tallied all this BS about who is better is just that BS. A non American racing in America has his back to the wall straight away, and because top American's don't want to race in Europe, we can never get a level idea of how they would deal with that change.

Even with the American economy being like it is the biggest money is still in America, maybe not like it was, but still it is a good place to earn a dollar if you are one of the top five guys. Europe does not pay their top five like America pay theirs and Americans are not interested in anything that is not American, so forget seeing a Villopoto, Dungey or Stewart doing the GPs.

What the whole Roczen affair has taught me is that the fastest MX2 rider in the World, and he clearly showed that in the 2010 and 2011 MXoN, beating all the top MX2 riders and a bunch of the leading MX1 and Open riders found it tough racing a series that suits the American riders.

No disrespect to Baggett, Barcia and Tomac, because clearly those guys are the fastest three 250cc riders in America, no matter who the World sent, but they can not lay claim to being the fastest MX2 riders in the World and there is no way of finding out if they are or not.

It doesn't matter who comes up against Herlings in Lommel, they ain''t going to beat him. His advantage in sand is even greater than the advantage the American riders have in America. he could crash and still pass nearly the whole field, MXoN or GP. Herling might just be the greatest sand rider we have ever seen, he is that good. Put him in the AMA series and he might finish 6th. Put an AMA rider up against him in sand and he will make them look slow.

So all the bragging about who is best can not be resolved by anything that has occured for non American riders racing in America and until we have a series with all the riders racing eachother, in different countries, then nobody knows who the best is.

We can guess that Villopoto is the fastest rider in the World (he gets my vote), but again it is just a guess.

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9/12/2012 1:15pm
If only there was an annual race that pitted the best MX1, MX2 and MX3 riders from each country against each other. It would be even more effective if it were held in a different country each year, so no one country could have the homefield advantage more than once...
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mxr338 wrote:
To compare the two series is ludicrous. They are so different its impossible to compare. I've been that guy who moved to a different country and...
To compare the two series is ludicrous. They are so different its impossible to compare. I've been that guy who moved to a different country and had to adjust. It's not simple even if it is moving to the greatest country on the planet. This forum use to be fun,funny and interesting but now it's a giant Europe vs USA pissing contest on every thread! Depressing.
The only guy on here qualified to compare the tracks and the racers. The rest of this is useless.
9/12/2012 1:59pm
How can people argue for 5 pages about this stuff?

Dungey would probably beat Cairoli over here. Cairoli would probably beat Dungey over there.

Roczen was beaten by our guys over here. Roczen would probably beat our guys over there.

If the differing track surfaces in the GPs give GP riders extra points in the "best overall rider" column, it's canceled out by our supercross series giving the AMA riders a few extra points.

The differing cultures of the GP circuit put an additional strain on GP riders, and the balls-hot climate of some AMA rounds puts an addictional strain on the AMA riders.

I will say it seems Cairoli is content just taking the easy route and staying in Europe. In every interview I hear, when he's asked about racing in America, he makes sure to bring up that it's too late for him to ride supercross. No one's asking you to ride supercross, bro. And if you're "not watching numbers" or worried about matching Everts, then let's go already. Our guys are interested in beating EACH OTHER. Ricky was the last guy to win 2 mx championships in a row, SIX YEARS ago. Our current top guys are being challenged enough over here. If any of them had won three or four titles in a row, maybe they would look for a new challenge overseas.

I will also say that, while we're perennial favorites for the overall, it seems that Herlings is going to hammer everyone in a few weeks. Hard.
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9/12/2012 2:28pm Edited Date/Time 9/12/2012 2:50pm
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[i]"Credit where credit is due, the AMA guys spanked the GP guys in America, no doubt about that."[/i] And every year at MXdN regardless of AMA...
"Credit where credit is due, the AMA guys spanked the GP guys in America, no doubt about that."

And every year at MXdN regardless of AMA or GP track...

I'm glad that you made it to Europe, Geoff. I know I sure as hell wouldn't want to claim you. Now, if you could just take a handful of these other idiots with you...
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I don't think any European seriously thinks America haven't earnt their victories in MXoN. Sometimes they have been lucky, but they have deserved all their success...
I don't think any European seriously thinks America haven't earnt their victories in MXoN. Sometimes they have been lucky, but they have deserved all their success. If you can find me one European who doesn't agree with that I will be surprised.

I think what gets lost in the translation is that American's assume the GP riders are not the equal of the American riders and that is totally not true.

Geoff
This thread is 5 pages and I am sure I will not get an answer, but here it goes.....

When rider from Europe makes the jump into the AMA series the question is always inevitably asked by some media outlet, "which series has the fastest riders, what's the difference?" and the answer is always, depth of field, pace of the riders and not having ridden the tracks or being as used to them. When Zach comes back next year I am sure his answers will be nearly the same. (I'm guessing)

Geoff, why don't you believe the very riders that answer these questions? Do you not read these interviews or see these riders who in years passed dominate world championships come here and not do as well? We Americans feel the way we do because we see more often times then not world champions or European riders just simply not do as well here wether they are champions or 5th-15th place guys. On the flip side, we are used to having people who are struggling over here go to europe to salvage a career or try to get some more momentum, WE NEVER LOSE OUR CHAMPIONS TO EUROPE. Why? These guys are competitors right? You think they are afraid? They want to be the best in the world, the riders know that if you win a series in America. There is nothing else to prove.

The transition for an American to go to Europe is a lot harder than for a European to come to America. In most cases, the Europeans that come this way are world champions (or top riders) with a large contract and can bring an entourage (family, GF, wife) of people. They speak English (pretty much the universal language) and don't have to worry about multiple languages and for food, well Everybody likes In-N-Out.

Typically and American that goes to Europe is going there because he can't get anything here, which means it is going to be on a shoe string budget, which means no family, no friends...... Language barriers, food and traveling to all the different countries is a lot tougher then going across America where everything is the same. However, there are instances where a few come back, stronger and faster than before. (Brown, Osbourne, Hughes and others)

Whatever, this is a lame argument. The facts seem to all be there. History always seems to repeat itself. It is what it is.
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"Northern Ireland is totally different to Italy. Just like the US is totally different to Italy" So if the World guys won over there at such...
"Northern Ireland is totally different to Italy. Just like the US is totally different to Italy"

So if the World guys won over there at such diverse places, they should expect to adapt to America and win the same way right?

Everyones entire arguement circles around the fact that its hard to adapt in the US. Then you turn around and say they have to adapt to race the world races anyway and have no trouble doing that.

What?

Edit: And calling someone stupid definitely does not make you look smarter.
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i'm with you on the travelling thing as its a bollox argument when all the riders do really is fly in and either eat in a...
i'm with you on the travelling thing as its a bollox argument when all the riders do really is fly in and either eat in a hotel or what is prepared in the team truck,its not like the old days when they drove from country to country stopping at a restaurant to eat and then getting the shits because they were not use to the food .
As i have said its the style of racing thats different and the intensity.
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I agree with you on that one. I don''t think we have one REAL AMA styled track in Europe. These guys get there and it is...
I agree with you on that one. I don''t think we have one REAL AMA styled track in Europe. These guys get there and it is like WOW, the pace is flat out. They can not deal with it. Mind you that is a pretty difficult thing to change I imagine. Going from throttle control in europe compared to nearly all the AMA tracks, which is flat out. No surprise Roczen and Musquin did well at Unadilla, which is all about throttle control.

Adding to that, had the AMA series been run on Unadilla type circuits you can be sure Roczen and Musquin would have done a lot better.
You're Unadilla analogy is completely wrong.

Unadilla is one of the fastest tracks on the circuit. Wide open.
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9/12/2012 3:01pm
On a side note...is the mxdn going to be televised at all here in the states??
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9/12/2012 4:22pm Edited Date/Time 9/12/2012 4:22pm
I'll give Geoff credit where it's due...he does know how to kick the hornet's nest.
9/12/2012 7:13pm
IMO it is more about $ than proving themselves as to why the top American riders don't contest the GPs. I can't understand why a rider who has won multiple AMA series would not want to race the GPs. It would be a challenge just to ride some different tracks & competitors.
IMO it is more of an idividual thing as to how some one adapts to living in a different country.
The depth of field should be a lot bigger in the US compared to Europe as the participation level in MX between them is huge.
IMO if Cairoli & Herlings raced in the AMA MX series they would be racing for wins & championships after they had time to adapt to the American tracks etc & I will not be surprised if Roczen does a lot better next year after getting some time racing in America.
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9/12/2012 7:13pm Edited Date/Time 9/12/2012 7:23pm
Regis wrote: We Americans feel the way we do because we see more often times then not world champions or European riders just simply not do as well here wether they are champions or 5th-15th place guys. On the flip side, we are used to having people who are struggling over here go to europe to salvage a career or try to get some more momentum, WE NEVER LOSE OUR CHAMPIONS TO EUROPE. Why? These guys are competitors right? You think they are afraid? They want to be the best in the world and know if you win a series in America there is nothing else to prove.

This thread can now be put to bed. Regis just summed up the whole argument in the above paragraph, especially the comments in bold! The fact no American rider has ever vacated the US in their prime to race GP's say's it all! Say what you want, but this fact alone substanially marginalizes the GP's. As I alluded to in an earlier post..calling the GP's a World Championship is nothing more than a play on words.
9/12/2012 7:21pm
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Regis wrote: [i]We Americans feel the way we do because we see more often times then not world champions or European riders just simply not do...
Regis wrote: We Americans feel the way we do because we see more often times then not world champions or European riders just simply not do as well here wether they are champions or 5th-15th place guys. On the flip side, we are used to having people who are struggling over here go to europe to salvage a career or try to get some more momentum, WE NEVER LOSE OUR CHAMPIONS TO EUROPE. Why? These guys are competitors right? You think they are afraid? They want to be the best in the world and know if you win a series in America there is nothing else to prove.

This thread can now be put to bed. Regis just summed up the whole argument in the above paragraph, especially the comments in bold! The fact no American rider has ever vacated the US in their prime to race GP's say's it all! Say what you want, but this fact alone substanially marginalizes the GP's. As I alluded to in an earlier post..calling the GP's a World Championship is nothing more than a play on words.
They could go & race the GP's to prove that they can win on tracks & against competitors they are not familiar with.
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San Antonio, TX US
9/12/2012 7:28pm
IMO it is more about $ than proving themselves as to why the top American riders don't contest the GPs. I can't understand why a rider...
IMO it is more about $ than proving themselves as to why the top American riders don't contest the GPs. I can't understand why a rider who has won multiple AMA series would not want to race the GPs. It would be a challenge just to ride some different tracks & competitors.
IMO it is more of an idividual thing as to how some one adapts to living in a different country.
The depth of field should be a lot bigger in the US compared to Europe as the participation level in MX between them is huge.
IMO if Cairoli & Herlings raced in the AMA MX series they would be racing for wins & championships after they had time to adapt to the American tracks etc & I will not be surprised if Roczen does a lot better next year after getting some time racing in America.
It has NOTHING to do with money and everything to do with wanting to be/beat the best in the world. As Regis said earlier, after winning in the US there is nothing left to prove.

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