Preston on JS7

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8/31/2012 11:12am Edited Date/Time 8/31/2012 11:13am
Gary Semics used to coach Jeremy McGrath in the mid 90s. Even at that point, did Semics have a resume that even came close to matching MC's? Nope. Some of you need to get a clue... Just because someone has raw speed and some titles under their belt, doesn't mean they can't use guidance and knowledge from others.
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8/31/2012 11:13am
Of course JS did have some big get offs in his 450 Kawa years, but also a lot of winning happened. Ferry was the key test and bike set up man during that period of success.
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8/31/2012 11:14am Edited Date/Time 8/31/2012 11:21am
Grieby54 wrote:
I think you missed this part: "His lack of knowledge when testing is not his only problem." That's the last sentence of his paragraph about James...
I think you missed this part: "His lack of knowledge when testing is not his only problem." That's the last sentence of his paragraph about James, and then the next paragraph in the original article.

And yes, I firmly believe that if you COULD do it you WOULD be doing it. But if you can't do it, how are you supposed to tell somebody else how to do it?
That's some fucked up rationale. So what you're saying is, anyone who coaches should not be coaching. Instead, they should still be participating in the sport and doing it better than the athlete whom they are coaching?

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8/31/2012 11:14am Edited Date/Time 8/31/2012 11:15am
DownSouth wrote:
Preston defeated Stewart to win a championship. Does that count for anything?
BD49 wrote:
Not really. In James rookie year?

Let RV, RC, CR or RD make some critiques.....
BAMX wrote:
Why?....So that you could cry about that and run around saying it was classless for them to criticize him.
I don't care that he criticized James. Travis gave his opinion....I gave mine, that to me, if a rider who had accomplished more had said those things then I might have paid more attention to the article.

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8/31/2012 11:15am Edited Date/Time 8/31/2012 11:24am
I would guess Preston has some unique perspective on Stewart's bike setups. Travis had to jump on Stewart's bike and finish off the 2008 SX season for Kawasaki when Stewart wrecked his knee and pulled out of SX after round 2.
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8/31/2012 11:16am Edited Date/Time 8/31/2012 11:17am
BD49 wrote:
Not really. In James rookie year?

Let RV, RC, CR or RD make some critiques.....
BAMX wrote:
Why?....So that you could cry about that and run around saying it was classless for them to criticize him.
BD49 wrote:
I don't care that he criticized James. Travis gave his opinion....I gave mine, that to me, if a rider who had accomplished more had said those...
I don't care that he criticized James. Travis gave his opinion....I gave mine, that to me, if a rider who had accomplished more had said those things then I might have paid more attention to the article.
A football standout in high school, he then played college football at Oregon[5] and the College of San Mateo before transferring to Cal Poly in San Luis Obispo, where he played both offense and defense for the Mustangs while earning a BS in Education in 1959 and an MA in Education in 1961.[6][7] He won all-conference honors at offensive tackle, and was a catcher on Cal Poly's baseball team. Madden was drafted in the 21st round (244th overall) by the NFL's Philadelphia Eagles in 1958, but a knee injury in training camp a year later ended his playing career before he ever got a chance to play professionally.


John Madden never played a single down of Pro football. - Yet he is in the pro football hall of fame.

Testing and setting up a motorcycle is a lot different than riding one fast.
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8/31/2012 11:20am
DownSouth wrote:
I would guess Preston has some unique perspective on Stewart's bike setups. Travis had to jump on Stewart's bike and finish off the 2008 SX season...
I would guess Preston has some unique perspective on Stewart's bike setups. Travis had to jump on Stewart's bike and finish off the 2008 SX season for Kawasaki when Stewart wrecked his knee and pulled out of SX after round 2.
I forgot about that...very telling.
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8/31/2012 11:26am
Name 10 riders who have a riding coach that wasn't as good or better than they were on a bike. I'm not talking about a trainer, or a mentor, I'm talking about a riding coach.
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8/31/2012 11:37am
BR_HERO wrote:
Link to article?
DownSouth wrote:
[url=http://www.racerxonline.com/2012/08/31/the-breakdown-ruts-at-unadilla]http://www.racerxonline.com/2012/08/31/the-breakdown-ruts-at-unadilla[/url] Jesus himself could critique James and the Stewart fans would log on and say he should shut up because he could not blitz a set...
http://www.racerxonline.com/2012/08/31/the-breakdown-ruts-at-unadilla

Jesus himself could critique James and the Stewart fans would log on and say he should shut up because he could not blitz a set of whoops as fast as #7.
Nailed. ^^^
Based on the logic of some here, the only people who are qualified to make an observation and/or critique of James are people who can beat him on the track. Is that right? Okay, so from now on, we can't comment on any rider we can't beat. Damn, this place (Vital) is going to be a ghost town.
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8/31/2012 11:39am
It's Preston's opinion - an interesting opinion - but not a fact. My opinion is that Stewart and ruts don't mix well. Hangtown and Freestone didn't have anything close to the ruts that Lakewood and Unadilla had. Shame he's not racing Steel City or Elsinore.
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8/31/2012 11:41am
Only Ricky Carmichael is allowed to critique James.
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8/31/2012 11:52am
DownSouth wrote:
I would guess Preston has some unique perspective on Stewart's bike setups. Travis had to jump on Stewart's bike and finish off the 2008 SX season...
I would guess Preston has some unique perspective on Stewart's bike setups. Travis had to jump on Stewart's bike and finish off the 2008 SX season for Kawasaki when Stewart wrecked his knee and pulled out of SX after round 2.
Jesus doesn't exist. LOL.

8/31/2012 11:57am
Grieby54 wrote:
I've heard James is a bad tester, and I entirely believe that. I have no doubt that Preston is a better tester and could help with...
I've heard James is a bad tester, and I entirely believe that. I have no doubt that Preston is a better tester and could help with James's testing immensely. My comment was geared towards the last sentence he wrote, bro, as well as the rest of the article that was not posted by the OP. How about you read the whole fucking article.
This thread isn't about the whole fucking article. It's about one (1) paragraph from the article, the paragraph about bike setup. I was able to arrive at this conclusion because it's the only part of the article quoted in the OP.
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8/31/2012 11:58am
DownSouth wrote:
I would guess Preston has some unique perspective on Stewart's bike setups. Travis had to jump on Stewart's bike and finish off the 2008 SX season...
I would guess Preston has some unique perspective on Stewart's bike setups. Travis had to jump on Stewart's bike and finish off the 2008 SX season for Kawasaki when Stewart wrecked his knee and pulled out of SX after round 2.
TannerMxer wrote:
Jesus doesn't exist. LOL. [img]http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/9114489/images/1270970983809.jpg[/img]
Jesus doesn't exist. LOL.

that's only cus you posted in it






crazy , forgot that preston rode the kawi , but i bet he didn't ride james suspension specs on it, i doub't he did a single lap on jame's setup.
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8/31/2012 11:59am
BD49 wrote:
I'd like someone with a more impressive resume to critique a person who has accomplished far more than Travis Preston ever could on two wheels.
And yet, you, while failing to compose a decent sentence, are critiquing Preston's resume. Fun.
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8/31/2012 12:04pm
I was suprised listening to pulmx interview James didn't know the cash you get for winning Supercross main?
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8/31/2012 12:13pm
Spot on IMO
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8/31/2012 12:28pm
Seems to be in poor taste of Preston to say something like that. Anyone can snap a picture of someone getting a little squirrely in a muddy corner and use it to critique his style, setup, etc. James wrecks. He also goes fast. He has won many a championship (undefeated in one, might I add), so I tend to feel like Preston is off base. Injury and lack of time testing/setting up the bike with his new team will hopefully be ironed out by the time SX rolls around.

To say that he doesn't look better on the Zook than he did on the Yamaha destroys TP's credibility, however. Anyone with a brain can say that, when comparing the two, he looks much more like the Stewart of old.
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8/31/2012 12:32pm
Can't blame anyone for crashing out at Unadilla. JS looked good the first 2 nationals. I'm waiting for next season to pass judgement, too early on the Suzuki.
8/31/2012 12:41pm
Faceaz wrote:
Can't blame anyone for crashing out at Unadilla. JS looked good the first 2 nationals. I'm waiting for next season to pass judgement, too early on...
Can't blame anyone for crashing out at Unadilla. JS looked good the first 2 nationals. I'm waiting for next season to pass judgement, too early on the Suzuki.
Funny, when I saw the go pro footage of his first wreck, I instantly thought it looked like the dude at the top of the hill, right before Stew crested and crashed on the downside, was standing on the track. I was like "OH SHIT, NOT AGAIN!!!1"
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8/31/2012 1:01pm
I can't believe how heated this got in just a few hours.

For what it's worth, I agree with Preston. Just because the guy knows how to set up a bike better doesn't mean he would have to automatically be faster than James, so saying he isn't qualified to critique JS is Bush league.
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8/31/2012 1:08pm
BD49 wrote:
I'd like someone with a more impressive resume to critique a person who has accomplished far more than Travis Preston ever could on two wheels.
toroP wrote:
And yet, you, while failing to compose a decent sentence, are critiquing Preston's resume. Fun.
Thank, you, for, the, lesson, in, punctuation, usage. I, will, certainly, try, harder, next, time,.'!?

So who is Drew Brees' QB coach and past coaches that got him to where he is at? According to you, those guys better damn well be a hall of famer to even think he's allowed to coach Drew... let alone write an article saying how he could be better (which is what we have here)


Oh. Was Travis Preston Stewart's coach? I know he teaches kids how to stand on the balls of their feet on a 50cc machine, but didn't realize he coached James.

Anyway, this got out of hand in a hurry. What I meant to say was, I personally don't give two shits about what Travis Preston really thinks about anything. He was a good rider, so were dozens of other people whose opinion I also couldn't care less about.
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8/31/2012 1:08pm
BD49 wrote:
My resume isn't strong enough to critique Travis anymore than his is to critique someone with multiple major championships, who will be in the AMA Hall...
My resume isn't strong enough to critique Travis anymore than his is to critique someone with multiple major championships, who will be in the AMA Hall of Fame. Bro.

When you have a website that promotes your school and these are the accomplishments you list to promote yourself:

ACCOMPLISHMENTS


1999 AMA Pro Motocross Top Privateer
2001 125cc Houston Supercross Winner (On a HUSKY!)
2002 125cc West Coast Supercross Champion
2005 450cc AMA Pro Motocross 5th Overall
2006 450cc AMA Pro Motocross 5th Overall
2007 450cc Anaheim 1 Supercross—4th
2007 450cc Phoenix Supercross—4th

And then you try to critique a guy whose resume looks like this:
2006 Motocross of Nations Champion
2008 Motocross of Nations Champion

2003 AMA 125 West Supercross Champion
2004 AMA 125 East Supercross Champion
National finals
2002 AMA 125 Motocross National Champion
2004 AMA 125 Motocross National Champion
2007 AMA Supercross Champion
2008 AMA Motocross National Champion
2009 AMA Supercross Champion


It just doesn't hold any credibility to me. It's like a quarterback in the Canadian Football League trying to critique Drew Brees.
Yet you criticize Preston? I don't follow your logic?
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8/31/2012 1:15pm
dak446 wrote:
Seems to be in poor taste of Preston to say something like that. Anyone can snap a picture of someone getting a little squirrely in a...
Seems to be in poor taste of Preston to say something like that. Anyone can snap a picture of someone getting a little squirrely in a muddy corner and use it to critique his style, setup, etc. James wrecks. He also goes fast. He has won many a championship (undefeated in one, might I add), so I tend to feel like Preston is off base. Injury and lack of time testing/setting up the bike with his new team will hopefully be ironed out by the time SX rolls around.

To say that he doesn't look better on the Zook than he did on the Yamaha destroys TP's credibility, however. Anyone with a brain can say that, when comparing the two, he looks much more like the Stewart of old.
To say that he doesn't look better on the Zook than he did on the Yamaha destroys TP's credibility, however. Anyone with a brain can say that, when comparing the two, he looks much more like the Stewart of old.

He won 2 races and crashed out just like he did on the Yamaha this year. I would hold back on saying that he looks like the Stewart of old, unless you mean the Stewart of old 2012 supercross.
8/31/2012 1:24pm Edited Date/Time 8/31/2012 1:24pm
I understand the criticism based on James' past crashes, etc, but I wouldn't use this particular race to make a point about his setup. A ton of people crashed that day.
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8/31/2012 1:59pm
Grieby54 wrote:
I think you missed this part: "His lack of knowledge when testing is not his only problem." That's the last sentence of his paragraph about James...
I think you missed this part: "His lack of knowledge when testing is not his only problem." That's the last sentence of his paragraph about James, and then the next paragraph in the original article.

And yes, I firmly believe that if you COULD do it you WOULD be doing it. But if you can't do it, how are you supposed to tell somebody else how to do it?
"...not his only problem"

That's pretty vague and I can make such a claim about a lot of people without being wrong.

Also he's not telling James HOW to do it. Just that he's doing it wrong. I don't know shit about putting on makeup but I know when a woman fucks that up.
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8/31/2012 2:05pm
Not to mention, it's no secret that James sets his bike up extremely weird and stiff. Why is it so hard to believe that in his abnormal setup preferences that he could make the bike worse or severely unstable?
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8/31/2012 2:13pm
ok i have a question.

on a motocross track that is 1.5 miles long, if you complete a lap 4 seconds faster than someone else, how much faster are you going on average in miles per hour?

this argument that a former top ten pro motocrosser doesn't understand bike set up is odd to me. can't we assume that james is making time on some other riders, by fractions of a second in each corner and other fractions through various sections of the course. but it isn't anything more than a fraction of a second if it at the end of a lap it totals 4, right?

the idea that somehow he or ricky or chad, etc, are on some other plane, when really they are fractionally faster (and can maintain that) seems mistaken.

please show me i'm wrong by addressing what i said, i'm sure that you can point out how i'm stupid in other ways.
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8/31/2012 3:20pm
If this is the case and the tuners know it, why didn't they just pretend to make changes when he asked for them. If he's really that bad at setup he wouldn't notice.
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8/31/2012 4:21pm
You do not have to be the best rider to be a good coach, trainer, or to critique technique of a rider.

Look at every other sport and you will realise that the majority of the time the coaches are able to see what works and what doesn't but most likely could not perform the skills themselves.
I'm from Australia so can't really apply this to any American sports, but in Rugby here in Australia we have seen many former rugby players progress into coaching roles, and not many of these transitions have been successful.
I assume that the vast majority of NBA coaches never actually played NBA?
Look at a sport like Tennis, was Rafa Nadal's uncle a great tennis player? No. Yet he has developed and pushed Rafa into the player he is today.

Why should this be any different for Motocross? Why do you need to have a "resume" to critique a rider? Why do many professional riders hire past legends to coach them? Why is it assumed that to be a good coach you needed to be a great rider?

And besides, Travis Preston does have a strong resume, is now a successful coach, and was known to be an excellent test rider.

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