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Edited Date/Time 8/21/2012 7:46pm
Prop 999: make 250f the premier class, reduce the 450f to 350f and make it a support class. Sound crazy? This is how is was in the 70s. 250 2 stroke was the main event and 500 2t were for vets and guys too big for 250s. Factory 250fs are making 48 hp so what is the point of 450s anyway?
Replace 250f as a feeder class with 125 2 t maybe combine it with the chick class.
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According to all of motocross management, including most of Vital, there is nothing wrong with current motocross/ supercross. So, according to them, there is no need to fix anything.
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unknownmxr wrote:
Prop 999: make 250f the premier class, reduce the 450f to 350f and make it a support class. Sound crazy? This is how is was in...
Prop 999: make 250f the premier class, reduce the 450f to 350f and make it a support class. Sound crazy? This is how is was in the 70s. 250 2 stroke was the main event and 500 2t were for vets and guys too big for 250s. Factory 250fs are making 48 hp so what is the point of 450s anyway?
Replace 250f as a feeder class with 125 2 t maybe combine it with the chick class.
I'll second that.
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burn1986 wrote:
According to all of motocross management, including most of Vital, there is nothing wrong with current motocross/ supercross. So, according to them, there is no need...
According to all of motocross management, including most of Vital, there is nothing wrong with current motocross/ supercross. So, according to them, there is no need to fix anything.
Blanket statements are generally not very accurate.
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Been saying it for years.

WMA 6 rounds
125 Nationals 6 rounds
250
450

But considering that by the time the outdoors gets rolling and the fact that many of the top guys are already injured by the third round, maybe make the 450 class 6 rounds and the 125 class 12 rounds. How many rounds did the "open" class used to run in the past?

Was just talking to a fellow moto fan who said he hasn't hardly watched a race since Stewart got injured and Dungey started running away with them all. Not the first person I've heard that from. Thankfully the 250 class action is off the hook.

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Been saying it for years. WMA 6 rounds 125 Nationals 6 rounds 250 450 But considering that by the time the outdoors gets rolling and the...
Been saying it for years.

WMA 6 rounds
125 Nationals 6 rounds
250
450

But considering that by the time the outdoors gets rolling and the fact that many of the top guys are already injured by the third round, maybe make the 450 class 6 rounds and the 125 class 12 rounds. How many rounds did the "open" class used to run in the past?

Was just talking to a fellow moto fan who said he hasn't hardly watched a race since Stewart got injured and Dungey started running away with them all. Not the first person I've heard that from. Thankfully the 250 class action is off the hook.
Not much of a reason to watch.

Really this season has been one of the hardest for me to keep up with simply because after Stewart was out you had a pretty good idea about who was going to win both moto's.
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burn1986 8/21/2012 8:54am
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burn1986 wrote:
According to all of motocross management, including most of Vital, there is nothing wrong with current motocross/ supercross. So, according to them, there is no need...
According to all of motocross management, including most of Vital, there is nothing wrong with current motocross/ supercross. So, according to them, there is no need to fix anything.
GuyB wrote:
Blanket statements are generally not very accurate.
Most of the upper motocross management, and a good portion of Vital.

I think everyone already knows the 2s ought to be allowed in, but the AMA and Honda have choked it out, and hopefully can stamp it out, for good.

I would think blanket statements are better than hashing it out all over again. I think there will come a day in the near future where we will all be in agreement over the state of the sport.
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burn1986 wrote:
Most of the upper motocross management, and a good portion of Vital. I think everyone already knows the 2s ought to be allowed in, but the...
Most of the upper motocross management, and a good portion of Vital.

I think everyone already knows the 2s ought to be allowed in, but the AMA and Honda have choked it out, and hopefully can stamp it out, for good.

I would think blanket statements are better than hashing it out all over again. I think there will come a day in the near future where we will all be in agreement over the state of the sport.
Thanks for proving my point.
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unknownmxr wrote:
Prop 999: make 250f the premier class, reduce the 450f to 350f and make it a support class. Sound crazy? This is how is was in...
Prop 999: make 250f the premier class, reduce the 450f to 350f and make it a support class. Sound crazy? This is how is was in the 70s. 250 2 stroke was the main event and 500 2t were for vets and guys too big for 250s. Factory 250fs are making 48 hp so what is the point of 450s anyway?
Replace 250f as a feeder class with 125 2 t maybe combine it with the chick class.
I can dig it. The racing is sooo much better in the 250 class, because of the bikes themselves. They force closer competition, closer racing.

Bring back the 125's. The only women I'm interested in watching, are the ones that can qualify and run with the guys. That impresses me.
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125cc any stroke
250cc any stroke
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burn1986 8/21/2012 9:40am
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Either way, the 125 needs to be put in there somewhere. The most obvious is to have it in conjunction with the WMA Nats, but there should be a way to get it in somewhere at least.
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I dont care who is racing or what they are racing i just want to watch some motos. Just be happy we get to see as much as we do.
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unknownmxr wrote:
Prop 999: make 250f the premier class, reduce the 450f to 350f and make it a support class. Sound crazy? This is how is was in...
Prop 999: make 250f the premier class, reduce the 450f to 350f and make it a support class. Sound crazy? This is how is was in the 70s. 250 2 stroke was the main event and 500 2t were for vets and guys too big for 250s. Factory 250fs are making 48 hp so what is the point of 450s anyway?
Replace 250f as a feeder class with 125 2 t maybe combine it with the chick class.
Too bad the question was...."what is an idiotic idea"....

"chick class"... oh, that's grand!
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back in 1990 when I invented pit bike racing we would look in the want add and buy a 100 dolla z50, my buddies and i all got them musta been ten of us, then i discovered powroll they made pipes, and i figued i was fatter than my buddies so it was ok for me to have one, then i figured out a 70cc cylinder and head would fit rite on so i made some stupid rational, that i could run that too,(you see here im makin rules that benifit me kinda like the money grubbers that run national mx)soon came that fast 50s guy and bbr then the whole thing got blown outaa proportion and the insaneness was governed by how much money you had,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,aaaa, where is mini racing now? pretty much gone, and i have a stk z50, any one see my point?
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chrisbuehler 8/21/2012 10:11am
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Just because most mere mortals cant handle the power of a 450 doesnt mean the pro's cant. You think Chad Reed wants to ride a 250f? Fuck no! He tunes his 450 up not down.
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Shawn142 8/21/2012 10:18am
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Why are we looking for pie in the sky answers instead of realistic ones? Speculation about shit you know will never happen is something you do when you're drunk.
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pete24 wrote:
back in 1990 when I invented pit bike racing we would look in the want add and buy a 100 dolla z50, my buddies and i...
back in 1990 when I invented pit bike racing we would look in the want add and buy a 100 dolla z50, my buddies and i all got them musta been ten of us, then i discovered powroll they made pipes, and i figued i was fatter than my buddies so it was ok for me to have one, then i figured out a 70cc cylinder and head would fit rite on so i made some stupid rational, that i could run that too,(you see here im makin rules that benifit me kinda like the money grubbers that run national mx)soon came that fast 50s guy and bbr then the whole thing got blown outaa proportion and the insaneness was governed by how much money you had,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,aaaa, where is mini racing now? pretty much gone, and i have a stk z50, any one see my point?
Yeah bro, because you're the first fatty to put a pipe and cylinder on a z50.
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pete24 wrote:
back in 1990 when I invented pit bike racing we would look in the want add and buy a 100 dolla z50, my buddies and i...
back in 1990 when I invented pit bike racing we would look in the want add and buy a 100 dolla z50, my buddies and i all got them musta been ten of us, then i discovered powroll they made pipes, and i figued i was fatter than my buddies so it was ok for me to have one, then i figured out a 70cc cylinder and head would fit rite on so i made some stupid rational, that i could run that too,(you see here im makin rules that benifit me kinda like the money grubbers that run national mx)soon came that fast 50s guy and bbr then the whole thing got blown outaa proportion and the insaneness was governed by how much money you had,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,aaaa, where is mini racing now? pretty much gone, and i have a stk z50, any one see my point?
mx836 wrote:
Yeah bro, because you're the first fatty to put a pipe and cylinder on a z50.
Hehe, that was a funny one. Why do you think they were making those pipes in the first place?
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slipdog 8/21/2012 11:40am
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pete24 wrote:
back in 1990 when I invented pit bike racing we would look in the want add and buy a 100 dolla z50, my buddies and i...
back in 1990 when I invented pit bike racing we would look in the want add and buy a 100 dolla z50, my buddies and i all got them musta been ten of us, then i discovered powroll they made pipes, and i figued i was fatter than my buddies so it was ok for me to have one, then i figured out a 70cc cylinder and head would fit rite on so i made some stupid rational, that i could run that too,(you see here im makin rules that benifit me kinda like the money grubbers that run national mx)soon came that fast 50s guy and bbr then the whole thing got blown outaa proportion and the insaneness was governed by how much money you had,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,aaaa, where is mini racing now? pretty much gone, and i have a stk z50, any one see my point?
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burn1986 8/21/2012 11:48am
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An inconvenient truth
Lawrence929 8/21/2012 11:50am
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This guy.....invented....pit bike racing.


That's some negrodamus level shit.
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pete24 wrote:
back in 1990 when I invented pit bike racing we would look in the want add and buy a 100 dolla z50, my buddies and i...
back in 1990 when I invented pit bike racing we would look in the want add and buy a 100 dolla z50, my buddies and i all got them musta been ten of us, then i discovered powroll they made pipes, and i figued i was fatter than my buddies so it was ok for me to have one, then i figured out a 70cc cylinder and head would fit rite on so i made some stupid rational, that i could run that too,(you see here im makin rules that benifit me kinda like the money grubbers that run national mx)soon came that fast 50s guy and bbr then the whole thing got blown outaa proportion and the insaneness was governed by how much money you had,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,aaaa, where is mini racing now? pretty much gone, and i have a stk z50, any one see my point?
Good stuff!Laughing
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KlootZak 8/21/2012 1:44pm
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pete24 wrote:
back in 1990 when I invented pit bike racing we would look in the want add and buy a 100 dolla z50, my buddies and i...
back in 1990 when I invented pit bike racing we would look in the want add and buy a 100 dolla z50, my buddies and i all got them musta been ten of us, then i discovered powroll they made pipes, and i figued i was fatter than my buddies so it was ok for me to have one, then i figured out a 70cc cylinder and head would fit rite on so i made some stupid rational, that i could run that too,(you see here im makin rules that benifit me kinda like the money grubbers that run national mx)soon came that fast 50s guy and bbr then the whole thing got blown outaa proportion and the insaneness was governed by how much money you had,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,aaaa, where is mini racing now? pretty much gone, and i have a stk z50, any one see my point?
In fact I don't! In your rave you didn't use a point once! You only used some commas and question marks ...
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pete24 wrote:
back in 1990 when I invented pit bike racing we would look in the want add and buy a 100 dolla z50, my buddies and i...
back in 1990 when I invented pit bike racing we would look in the want add and buy a 100 dolla z50, my buddies and i all got them musta been ten of us, then i discovered powroll they made pipes, and i figued i was fatter than my buddies so it was ok for me to have one, then i figured out a 70cc cylinder and head would fit rite on so i made some stupid rational, that i could run that too,(you see here im makin rules that benifit me kinda like the money grubbers that run national mx)soon came that fast 50s guy and bbr then the whole thing got blown outaa proportion and the insaneness was governed by how much money you had,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,aaaa, where is mini racing now? pretty much gone, and i have a stk z50, any one see my point?
ever hear of XR75's and XR100's....from the stories from my dad people used to pimp these all out back in the 70's as their pitbikes.

i agree with the rest of your story though....... i believe the mini scene is absolutely DEAD.

i just did a carb clean on my KLX110 the other day.....havent even ridden it in 2 years.




as far as 250f's being the premier class....never would work because the smaller riders would have a major advantage...some guys are just too big for a 250f to pull them around a big track
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chrisbuehler wrote:
Just because most mere mortals cant handle the power of a 450 doesnt mean the pro's cant. You think Chad Reed wants to ride a 250f...
Just because most mere mortals cant handle the power of a 450 doesnt mean the pro's cant. You think Chad Reed wants to ride a 250f? Fuck no! He tunes his 450 up not down.
I love watching the big bike class and how hard and fast they can ride the 450. It should and has to stay as the premier class, but I would sure love to see 2-20 min motos of an entry pro level 125 2 banger class, fresh out of Loretta Lynn.
unknownmxr 8/21/2012 5:08pm
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It is wasted breath anyway. The fim is too busy with champagne wishes and caviar dreams to worry about the little people. The fim screwed mx in canada back in the 80s (don't ask). Then there are the motogp issues...
My view is that the manufacturers will eventually demand a 350 class because they can't keep spending money on riders who podium once or twice and then sit out the year with injuries.
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dizzy8085 8/21/2012 6:05pm
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Everyone hating on 450's are overlooking one point. They actually give privateers a chance. A stock 450 with a pipe is competitive. Phil Nicoletti proved that this past weekend.

Do you think Derek and Saye would have a shot at riding the whole outdoor series as privateers on 250f's. They either wouldn't be fast enough bikes, or their practice and race bikes would be toast before the end of the season.

The fact that a privateer can take a 450 with a suspension job and top 10 a national outdoor race is reason enough to love the bikes.
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OriolMassot 8/21/2012 7:30pm
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Let me say just one fucking single thing:

125 two stroke fuel injected.
250 two stroke fuel injected.



That's all.
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OriolMassot wrote:
Let me say just one fucking single thing:

125 two stroke fuel injected.
250 two stroke fuel injected.



That's all.
two bikes that dont exist??

Excellent input thanks.

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