Would you fix this?

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2012 CRF250R frame, landed on a downed bike. Local dealer $1000 +tax for a new frame. If it was yours would you have the frame repaired or fork out for a new one? It might not have completely prevented it but I think I will buy a skid plate.



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tuz371 5/13/2012 5:38pm
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See about sending it off to Service Honda. They could repair that and drop a CR500 engine while their at it.......Seriosly, Service Honda might be a good place to call and get their two cents worth since they cut and reweld those frames for the CR500AF bikes.


Myself, I would look for a part out bike and grab the frame for cheaper than a new one but only if I could inspect it first.
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JB 19 5/13/2012 5:41pm
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FWIW Service Honda lists it for 840$. plus shipping of course. Thats for a 2011 frame.......should be the same.

http://www.servicehondapsn.com/fiche_section_detail.asp?section=1414279…



It could be fixed, but it would have to be by someone with lots of aluminum experience would understands how to heat treat it.
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MxSkillz 5/13/2012 5:54pm
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tobz wrote:
repair, install big skid plate/bash plate, and sell. I couldn't ride it knowing what's happened to it. Or shop around, the first google search i came...
repair, install big skid plate/bash plate, and sell.

I couldn't ride it knowing what's happened to it.

Or shop around, the first google search i came up with http://www.cheapcycleparts.com/products/767405-honda-50100-krn-a50-hard…
but you could let the person you sell it to ride it not knowing at all.. brilliant
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yzmatt 5/13/2012 5:55pm
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tobz wrote:
repair, install big skid plate/bash plate, and sell. I couldn't ride it knowing what's happened to it. Or shop around, the first google search i came...
repair, install big skid plate/bash plate, and sell.

I couldn't ride it knowing what's happened to it.

Or shop around, the first google search i came up with http://www.cheapcycleparts.com/products/767405-honda-50100-krn-a50-hard…
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but you could let the person you sell it to ride it not knowing at all.. brilliant
Exactly, tools like this are what's wrong with this world...
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pitbike502 5/13/2012 5:58pm
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how fast was this crash?? thats gnarly..
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tobz wrote:
repair, install big skid plate/bash plate, and sell. I couldn't ride it knowing what's happened to it. Or shop around, the first google search i came...
repair, install big skid plate/bash plate, and sell.

I couldn't ride it knowing what's happened to it.

Or shop around, the first google search i came up with http://www.cheapcycleparts.com/products/767405-honda-50100-krn-a50-hard…
So you sell it to someone else? :s
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New frame.............
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What the rest of the bike like? If the rest of the bike is OK I would replace the frame, 1000 bucks is cheaper than a new bike. If the rest of the bike is crap then fix it and sell it, or part it out. I agree100% with tobz, I could not ride that bike with a repaired frame like that.
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crusher773 5/13/2012 6:15pm
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you could always see if you could pick one up for a lot less from someone else parting one out.
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MxSkillz 5/13/2012 6:25pm
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tobz wrote:
repair, install big skid plate/bash plate, and sell. I couldn't ride it knowing what's happened to it. Or shop around, the first google search i came...
repair, install big skid plate/bash plate, and sell.

I couldn't ride it knowing what's happened to it.

Or shop around, the first google search i came up with http://www.cheapcycleparts.com/products/767405-honda-50100-krn-a50-hard…
MxSkillz wrote:
but you could let the person you sell it to ride it not knowing at all.. brilliant
yzmatt wrote:
Exactly, tools like this are what's wrong with this world...
yea man, shit like that is irritating.. the guy goes and kills himself or worse gets paralysed all cause some tool wanted to make a buck.. all i gotta say is karma is a biatch!
sbarrington314 5/13/2012 7:36pm
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wow thats crazy. id find a near by welding shop. i know its important to get it done right, but its also not rocket science. theres gotta be someone near by that deals with aluminum welding, custom fab.
that didnt mess up the motor?
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tobz 5/13/2012 7:39pm
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MxSkillz wrote:
but you could let the person you sell it to ride it not knowing at all.. brilliant
yzmatt wrote:
Exactly, tools like this are what's wrong with this world...
MxSkillz wrote:
yea man, shit like that is irritating.. the guy goes and kills himself or worse gets paralysed all cause some tool wanted to make a buck...
yea man, shit like that is irritating.. the guy goes and kills himself or worse gets paralysed all cause some tool wanted to make a buck.. all i gotta say is karma is a biatch!
Fuck sake. Obviously you'd get it fixed so it's stronger than before. It's no different to repairing a written off vehicle to the same spec and selling it. If the seller asks if there were any problems with it then I wouldn't lie. So shut the fuck up.
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MxSkillz 5/13/2012 7:48pm
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yzmatt wrote:
Exactly, tools like this are what's wrong with this world...
MxSkillz wrote:
yea man, shit like that is irritating.. the guy goes and kills himself or worse gets paralysed all cause some tool wanted to make a buck...
yea man, shit like that is irritating.. the guy goes and kills himself or worse gets paralysed all cause some tool wanted to make a buck.. all i gotta say is karma is a biatch!
tobz wrote:
Fuck sake. Obviously you'd get it fixed so it's stronger than before. It's no different to repairing a written off vehicle to the same spec and...
Fuck sake. Obviously you'd get it fixed so it's stronger than before. It's no different to repairing a written off vehicle to the same spec and selling it. If the seller asks if there were any problems with it then I wouldn't lie. So shut the fuck up.
it will never be " stronger than before " idiot.. isnt that why you couldn't ride it anymore knowing what happened to it, thats why you would sell it?? your words, not mine princess.. now dont make yourself look any more stupid than you already have
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yamahuh 5/13/2012 7:55pm
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fix it....find a professional welding shop that specializes in aluminum.
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tobz 5/13/2012 8:02pm
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Urgh, righto bud, it goes along the same lines of, if I had a bike that grenaded itself, id fix it, and sell it, being slightly ocd. Similar to the guy around here that crashed his brains out after his TM throttle stuck wide open, probably nothing wrong with it, but he sold it off.

There'd be nothing wrong with welding that up properly.

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Scott167 5/13/2012 8:10pm
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replace asap.... you will not be able to regain its structural integrity
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MxSkillz 5/13/2012 8:14pm
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tobz wrote:
Urgh, righto bud, it goes along the same lines of, if I had a bike that grenaded itself, id fix it, and sell it, being slightly...
Urgh, righto bud, it goes along the same lines of, if I had a bike that grenaded itself, id fix it, and sell it, being slightly ocd. Similar to the guy around here that crashed his brains out after his TM throttle stuck wide open, probably nothing wrong with it, but he sold it off.

There'd be nothing wrong with welding that up properly.
wait a minute.. there wud be nothing wrong with welding it and selling it to someone.. but there is no way you could ride it anymore after being welded knowing what happened to it ? did i get that right? does that make any sense?

see how you look like a tool ?
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jeffro503 5/13/2012 8:19pm
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Look.....I see both sides of the argument between Tobz and the rest of you guys. I think what Tobz is saying is....his confidence in the bike would be shot knowing that the frame had been damaged....I know it would bug the shit out of me too. I would definitely tell the new owner what happened though.

MxSkillZ : The frames can be repaired to "Stronger than normal". These frames are built tough....but are also built extremely light! If a descent welder ( Like what was mentioned above about Service Honda )....they not only could fix that frame but probably gusset the shit out of it and make it " Stronger than before".

It's like snapping a twig.....then bolting two 2X4's next to it.......ya think it may be stronger now? Same can happen with aluminum if it's in the right hands.

I wouldn't have any local welding shop do this. I would send it to someone who knows how to weld these frames and does it for a living. They know where the stress points are and what would need to be done....to do it correctly.
greenebasterd 5/13/2012 8:22pm
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Jesus, stop bitchin ,Im a welder, like stated above its not rocket science,get the damn thing welded end of story unless you have money to waste on a new frame.
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rohleder644 5/13/2012 8:30pm
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tobz wrote:
Urgh, righto bud, it goes along the same lines of, if I had a bike that grenaded itself, id fix it, and sell it, being slightly...
Urgh, righto bud, it goes along the same lines of, if I had a bike that grenaded itself, id fix it, and sell it, being slightly ocd. Similar to the guy around here that crashed his brains out after his TM throttle stuck wide open, probably nothing wrong with it, but he sold it off.

There'd be nothing wrong with welding that up properly.
MxSkillz wrote:
wait a minute.. there wud be nothing wrong with welding it and selling it to someone.. but there is no way you could ride it anymore...
wait a minute.. there wud be nothing wrong with welding it and selling it to someone.. but there is no way you could ride it anymore after being welded knowing what happened to it ? did i get that right? does that make any sense?

see how you look like a tool ?
Kind of a dick, aren't ya???
I'm not riding that bike after I munched the frame like that.......on account of the bad juju and such. FIX it and sell it??? What the hell is wrong with that? And as far as telling the potential purchaser.....you tell whoever you're selling your bikes to about every part you've broke?
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mx5471 5/13/2012 8:40pm
5/13/2012 8:40pm Edited Date/Time 5/13/2012 8:57pm
So we're back to the patch it, disguise it and let some one else get killed on it theory, like warming up the bike so the guy won't suspect the valves are shot. I don't know how anyone can buy a used 4 stroke bike. I'd never ride that bike again with that frame.That's one of the worst places for a frame to break. I don't care who welds it, it'll break again right next to the repair. My opinion is that it can be fixed, if you don't mind sending some one else to the hospital. Throw it away, it's junk. There are 4 stroke frames on the used market, by people parting those bikes out. There is no way any one can fix that so that it will be safe to ride. It will crack forever. If you can't find a good used one, buy a new one. A grand isn't that bad. I spent 2 months lookin for a frame for my son's bike, and even had help from a very nice gentleman that posts here. There are finally new ones available soon, at almost double that price. It's a '12, so it must be in good shape. Just go for the new frame and have peace of mind, whatever you do after that. Skid plate is good, but you would only have destroyed that too. They aren't made to protect against that type of damage. If you send it to Service Honda, they may be the best people to be able to fix it properly, but I doubt they will accept it for repair, due to the liability factor. And it probably wouldn't save you much, if anything. This isn't just screwing some one on a bike that needs valves or what ever, and costs someone money. This can cost an unsuspecting person his life.
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Sold a pair of snow ski's I couldn't get along with on a business trip to Portland - $350. Wanted to upgrade my low hour 06 YZ450F with the newer generation 08 frame. Cruising e-bay that same night I found my damn near new 08 frame just 30 minutes away, for you know it $350. I said I'd pick it up that next eve if he'd throw in the shorter steering stem. VMS's Todd Brown hook up my suspenders and I'm still digging this ride, it handles sweet. And I sold the 06 frame for $300.
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Looking at the first picture, the one that shows the full extent of the damage, it appears you'll have to "section" that. At least that's what my welder guy would tell me!

Second concern would be if stock frames are heat treated or not? Typically from past experiences the weld holds but it'll crack right at the edge of either side of the welds. That just what has happened to various aluminum parts I have had him weld up over the years.

Also, be careful who you get to do the work, many will talk the big talk about how awesome they are but I've seen some really bad hacks over the years!!!

I would say only try and fix it if 1)You are slow and don't "punish" the bike(blitzing whoops, flat landing etc etc), beginner rider speed almost. And 2)You don't have the fundage for a new frame.

Even then, try it out slowly and keep an eye on it. It won't just SNAP and drop your motor off. Again, if done correctly.

ME, I could never ride on that!

Good luck either way.
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tobz 5/13/2012 9:01pm
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jeffro503 wrote:
Look.....I see both sides of the argument between [b]Tobz [/b]and the rest of you guys. I think what Tobz is saying is....his confidence in the bike...
Look.....I see both sides of the argument between Tobz and the rest of you guys. I think what Tobz is saying is....his confidence in the bike would be shot knowing that the frame had been damaged....I know it would bug the shit out of me too. I would definitely tell the new owner what happened though.

MxSkillZ : The frames can be repaired to "Stronger than normal". These frames are built tough....but are also built extremely light! If a descent welder ( Like what was mentioned above about Service Honda )....they not only could fix that frame but probably gusset the shit out of it and make it " Stronger than before".

It's like snapping a twig.....then bolting two 2X4's next to it.......ya think it may be stronger now? Same can happen with aluminum if it's in the right hands.

I wouldn't have any local welding shop do this. I would send it to someone who knows how to weld these frames and does it for a living. They know where the stress points are and what would need to be done....to do it correctly.
Bingo, someone with brains chimes in.
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tobz 5/13/2012 9:02pm
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MxSkillz wrote:
wait a minute.. there wud be nothing wrong with welding it and selling it to someone.. but there is no way you could ride it anymore...
wait a minute.. there wud be nothing wrong with welding it and selling it to someone.. but there is no way you could ride it anymore after being welded knowing what happened to it ? did i get that right? does that make any sense?

see how you look like a tool ?
The only thing coming to surface from this convo is that you need to put your "MxSkillz" aside and brush up on on your ReadingSkillz. Did you even read my post?

Run along...
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Motodrew295 5/13/2012 9:11pm
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Im sure an experienced welder could repair that just fine. I'd keep and eye on it afterwards, obviously, but I doubt it would completely fail all at once, it would show signs of failure before it came apart. The engine cradle doesnt have the amount of stress on it as other parts of the frame to be pulled apart so I'd try repairing it before forking out a grand for a new one. Just my 2
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captmoto 5/13/2012 9:12pm
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No, only because you don't know where else that frame is tweaked or weakened. It would take a full metal/structure analysis to figure that out and who woud you get to do it?

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