from MXA...Italy 4-stroke banned for kids in competition

Steve_Groves wrote:

So much for Mr Srb saying it'll keep down the cost - if they ban kids from riding 150f's I'll have to buy my son a...

So much for Mr Srb saying it'll keep down the cost - if they ban kids from riding 150f's I'll have to buy my son a 2 stroke and nobody will want to buy the 150f from me so that'll be worth nothing. How is that keeping the cost down?????? Quite the opposite I'd say.

Steve_Groves wrote:

So much for Mr Srb saying it'll keep down the cost - if they ban kids from riding 150f's I'll have to buy my son a...

So much for Mr Srb saying it'll keep down the cost - if they ban kids from riding 150f's I'll have to buy my son a 2 stroke and nobody will want to buy the 150f from me so that'll be worth nothing. How is that keeping the cost down?????? Quite the opposite I'd say.

JustMX wrote:

That might be just a little exreme. There should at least be an option for the 150F, like allowing it in the 125 cc class where...

That might be just a little exreme.

There should at least be an option for the 150F, like allowing it in the 125 cc class where it is comparable to the other machines and doesn't have a large displacement advantage.

I sincerely hope that any proposals at AMA congress to allow the 150F in the classes currently offered for 85cc machines fail like they did last year.

newmann wrote:

No worries, the US will just roll over and look the other way. Honda just has to grease a few palms. Oh, wait, those palms already...

No worries, the US will just roll over and look the other way. Honda just has to grease a few palms.

Oh, wait, those palms already got greased.

mxrose3 wrote:

great news. Honda can put the 150 motor in a big bike chassis and let it run in the 125 class where it belongs. And even...

great news. Honda can put the 150 motor in a big bike chassis and let it run in the 125 class where it belongs. And even that is kinda pushing it.

500guy wrote:

So a 15 yr old can't race Amateur on a 4 stroke but if he races a GP it's okay ? Anyone remember the We are...

So a 15 yr old can't race Amateur on a 4 stroke but if he races a GP it's okay ?

Anyone remember the We are changing the class to a 350cc rule ? How did that go over ?

JustMX wrote:

That might be just a little exreme. There should at least be an option for the 150F, like allowing it in the 125 cc class where...

That might be just a little exreme.

There should at least be an option for the 150F, like allowing it in the 125 cc class where it is comparable to the other machines and doesn't have a large displacement advantage.

I sincerely hope that any proposals at AMA congress to allow the 150F in the classes currently offered for 85cc machines fail like they did last year.

500guy wrote:

So a 15 yr old can't race Amateur on a 4 stroke but if he races a GP it's okay ? Anyone remember the We are...

So a 15 yr old can't race Amateur on a 4 stroke but if he races a GP it's okay ?

Anyone remember the We are changing the class to a 350cc rule ? How did that go over ?

TerryB wrote:

And in the U.S. an amateur can race a 250 2-stroke against the 4's, but a pro can't? What's your point?

500guy wrote:

My point is the MFG's don't give a shit about this rule, they will make what they want. 2 strokes are not making a comeback just...

My point is the MFG's don't give a shit about this rule, they will make what they want. 2 strokes are not making a comeback just because Italians are not smart enough to work on 4 strokes.

500guy wrote:

My point is the MFG's don't give a shit about this rule, they will make what they want. 2 strokes are not making a comeback just...

My point is the MFG's don't give a shit about this rule, they will make what they want. 2 strokes are not making a comeback just because Italians are not smart enough to work on 4 strokes.

500guy wrote:

My point is the MFG's don't give a shit about this rule, they will make what they want. 2 strokes are not making a comeback just...

My point is the MFG's don't give a shit about this rule, they will make what they want. 2 strokes are not making a comeback just because Italians are not smart enough to work on 4 strokes.

Charles Bronson wrote:

manufacturers don't care about the rules and will produce whatever they want? That absolutely takes the cake. You win. you are the fucking Champion of Vital...

manufacturers don't care about the rules and will produce whatever they want?


That absolutely takes the cake.

You win. you are the fucking Champion of Vital.

500guy wrote:

So a 15 yr old can't race Amateur on a 4 stroke but if he races a GP it's okay ? Anyone remember the We are...

So a 15 yr old can't race Amateur on a 4 stroke but if he races a GP it's okay ?

Anyone remember the We are changing the class to a 350cc rule ? How did that go over ?

500guy wrote:

My point is the MFG's don't give a shit about this rule, they will make what they want. 2 strokes are not making a comeback just...

My point is the MFG's don't give a shit about this rule, they will make what they want. 2 strokes are not making a comeback just because Italians are not smart enough to work on 4 strokes.

ayearinmx wrote:

don't forget the French, when you're stereotyping nations.... apparently they aren't smart enough either

JustMX wrote:

That might be just a little exreme. There should at least be an option for the 150F, like allowing it in the 125 cc class where...

That might be just a little exreme.

There should at least be an option for the 150F, like allowing it in the 125 cc class where it is comparable to the other machines and doesn't have a large displacement advantage.

I sincerely hope that any proposals at AMA congress to allow the 150F in the classes currently offered for 85cc machines fail like they did last year.

500guy wrote:

So a 15 yr old can't race Amateur on a 4 stroke but if he races a GP it's okay ? Anyone remember the We are...

So a 15 yr old can't race Amateur on a 4 stroke but if he races a GP it's okay ?

Anyone remember the We are changing the class to a 350cc rule ? How did that go over ?

wpark89 wrote:

If you'd paid attention to the report it says no 4 strokes until after their 15th birthday. The minimun age for MX2 in the GP's is...

If you'd paid attention to the report it says no 4 strokes until after their 15th birthday. The minimun age for MX2 in the GP's is 15 anyway.

Good for the Italians. The FMI is very progressive and I believe does a lot of positive things to govern and promote the health of MX in their country. Last year I was in Italy and they enforced a new rule making back protection mandatory. Nobody races without a protector that covers their spine. No racing in just jerseys or foam roost guards. If you wanted to race you had to go buy one of the approved protectors. They have kept 2 stroke classes alive and they have a very organized program to develop their next generation of top tier riders.

Really this doesn't make much difference does it? Mini cross is still dominated by 2 strokes. Most kids are going to ride 85's or Super Mini's until they are 15 or so anyway. But what it does do is strengthen their 125 class. If a young rider moves up to a big bike before he's 15 he's going to have to spend time riding a 125. Which is going to make him a better rider. Going to save his Parents money...and it's going to stimulate sales of 125's wether a TM, Husky, KTM, YZ, or RM. There are a ton of small exhaust and 2 stroke tuning companies in Italy that will benefit. MX business in Italy really went flat and down a few years ago....but as the 2 stroke has resurrected things are more healthy. There is a lot of history and tradition too that they don't want to change....because they are smart enough to realize that it's not for the better.

And what else it will do is keep someone from coming in with a 150 and screwing up the 80s classes or developing a damn 4 stroke to ruin the 65 or 50 classes.

Bravo.

500guy wrote:

So a 15 yr old can't race Amateur on a 4 stroke but if he races a GP it's okay ? Anyone remember the We are...

So a 15 yr old can't race Amateur on a 4 stroke but if he races a GP it's okay ?

Anyone remember the We are changing the class to a 350cc rule ? How did that go over ?

wpark89 wrote:

If you'd paid attention to the report it says no 4 strokes until after their 15th birthday. The minimun age for MX2 in the GP's is...

If you'd paid attention to the report it says no 4 strokes until after their 15th birthday. The minimun age for MX2 in the GP's is 15 anyway.

Good for the Italians. The FMI is very progressive and I believe does a lot of positive things to govern and promote the health of MX in their country. Last year I was in Italy and they enforced a new rule making back protection mandatory. Nobody races without a protector that covers their spine. No racing in just jerseys or foam roost guards. If you wanted to race you had to go buy one of the approved protectors. They have kept 2 stroke classes alive and they have a very organized program to develop their next generation of top tier riders.

Really this doesn't make much difference does it? Mini cross is still dominated by 2 strokes. Most kids are going to ride 85's or Super Mini's until they are 15 or so anyway. But what it does do is strengthen their 125 class. If a young rider moves up to a big bike before he's 15 he's going to have to spend time riding a 125. Which is going to make him a better rider. Going to save his Parents money...and it's going to stimulate sales of 125's wether a TM, Husky, KTM, YZ, or RM. There are a ton of small exhaust and 2 stroke tuning companies in Italy that will benefit. MX business in Italy really went flat and down a few years ago....but as the 2 stroke has resurrected things are more healthy. There is a lot of history and tradition too that they don't want to change....because they are smart enough to realize that it's not for the better.

And what else it will do is keep someone from coming in with a 150 and screwing up the 80s classes or developing a damn 4 stroke to ruin the 65 or 50 classes.

Bravo.

500guy wrote:

The only progressive thing about the FIM is their bank account. All the 2 stroke Nazi's got wood over a rule that means literally nothing.

The only progressive thing about the FIM is their bank account.

All the 2 stroke Nazi's got wood over a rule that means literally nothing.

wpark89 wrote:

If you'd paid attention to the report it says no 4 strokes until after their 15th birthday. The minimun age for MX2 in the GP's is...

If you'd paid attention to the report it says no 4 strokes until after their 15th birthday. The minimun age for MX2 in the GP's is 15 anyway.

Good for the Italians. The FMI is very progressive and I believe does a lot of positive things to govern and promote the health of MX in their country. Last year I was in Italy and they enforced a new rule making back protection mandatory. Nobody races without a protector that covers their spine. No racing in just jerseys or foam roost guards. If you wanted to race you had to go buy one of the approved protectors. They have kept 2 stroke classes alive and they have a very organized program to develop their next generation of top tier riders.

Really this doesn't make much difference does it? Mini cross is still dominated by 2 strokes. Most kids are going to ride 85's or Super Mini's until they are 15 or so anyway. But what it does do is strengthen their 125 class. If a young rider moves up to a big bike before he's 15 he's going to have to spend time riding a 125. Which is going to make him a better rider. Going to save his Parents money...and it's going to stimulate sales of 125's wether a TM, Husky, KTM, YZ, or RM. There are a ton of small exhaust and 2 stroke tuning companies in Italy that will benefit. MX business in Italy really went flat and down a few years ago....but as the 2 stroke has resurrected things are more healthy. There is a lot of history and tradition too that they don't want to change....because they are smart enough to realize that it's not for the better.

And what else it will do is keep someone from coming in with a 150 and screwing up the 80s classes or developing a damn 4 stroke to ruin the 65 or 50 classes.

Bravo.

500guy wrote:

The only progressive thing about the FIM is their bank account. All the 2 stroke Nazi's got wood over a rule that means literally nothing.

The only progressive thing about the FIM is their bank account.

All the 2 stroke Nazi's got wood over a rule that means literally nothing.

wpark89 wrote:

I was speaking of the FMI, who were behind this rule and are progressive. Don't confuse the FIM and FMI....FMI is the Motorcycle Federation for Italy...

I was speaking of the FMI, who were behind this rule and are progressive.

Don't confuse the FIM and FMI....FMI is the Motorcycle Federation for Italy. (Federazione Italiana Motociclistica). They make rules and regulations for their country....not all of the FIM.

JustMX wrote:

That might be just a little exreme. There should at least be an option for the 150F, like allowing it in the 125 cc class where...

That might be just a little exreme.

There should at least be an option for the 150F, like allowing it in the 125 cc class where it is comparable to the other machines and doesn't have a large displacement advantage.

I sincerely hope that any proposals at AMA congress to allow the 150F in the classes currently offered for 85cc machines fail like they did last year.

Hando wrote:

good for them, 4-strokes have ruined mx

500guy wrote:

The only progressive thing about the FIM is their bank account. All the 2 stroke Nazi's got wood over a rule that means literally nothing.

The only progressive thing about the FIM is their bank account.

All the 2 stroke Nazi's got wood over a rule that means literally nothing.

Sherwood wrote:

Fathers are to dumb to work on 4-strokes in Italy? "This is great news. We must keep down the cost at entry level to our sport...

Fathers are to dumb to work on 4-strokes in Italy?

"This is great news. We must keep down the cost at entry level to our sport and many fathers can work on a two-stroke but not on a four-stroke"

Hando wrote:

good for them, 4-strokes have ruined mx

500guy wrote:

Yes, apparently the 4 stroke has inadvertently exposed the average IQ of motocrossers everywhere.