Things that will never be the same post-Corona era

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Thinking how life as we knew just a week ago will never return. Last Friday the world seemed to change. Everything started happening so fast. Even after the coronavirus has run its course and a vaccine is readily available, the world will never go back to the normal we once knew. Many things will be different, some things might never return, new things will develop, and many changes for a new normal that lies ahead. The anxiety and paranoia might stick around. I guess it all depends on how bad this truly gets but if this path continues going downhill and goes on for a significant time it makes you think how this will change so many things for the post-era...

- how we get our food ( online might become a new norm for allot of us).

- toll booth workers ( hand to hand contact all day between people and money, that will all go electronic I think). Guidelines for hygiene will change

- How people greet people. Big hugs and handshakes might not be the regular post corona. Maybe a set of knuckles or even elbows become the new thing.

- Isolation might become more desired than it ever was. Once people get used to there bubble and safe place they may stick close to home more.

- social distance and people’s personal space. Especially in public settings. The anxiety people experience during this time might continue.

-Concerts... will people really wanna be that close to each other. Contact with hundreds of strangers

-Movie theaters might go away. With all the resources we have for watching entertainment already they might not ever recover to the popularity they once had.

- doctors office vists and new procedures are sure to happen. Protocols will change.

- Travel. Airports, subways, and mass transit will need to adapt. Hygiene and procedures will now be a big concern moving forward for people to feel comfortable again.

- The news. It’s become apparent by now especially since this virus that we really can’t trust what they tell us. It’s almost evil how it’s all based on money and selling lies and one sided truths. We really have no source of un-biased information. You can’t trust anything nowadays to be totally accurate.

- Allot of people will experience major financial hardship during this time. On a positive note maybe people will become more minimalist and mindful of resources and money. Not live so paycheck to paycheck, learn to be more frugal. Not waste.

I don’t know maybe 5 days of quarantine is finally making me nuts lol. Allot of time to think about this crazy time were all in

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Next year at this time we won't remember any of this happened.
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You think San Fran will quit handing out free needles and stop letting people crap in the street?

Things have been changing at quite a fast pace pre corona and people forget pretty quick. You would think after all the earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, floods, wildfires, housing and market crashes that most people would have their emergency fund built up so they could get by for a few months if things went bad. But, they haven’t. Many are still living paycheck to paycheck. I’m not knocking anyone’s bad situation but there are soooo many people that fall into that category that could have saved a little for a rainy day and didn’t.

Give this a few months and you’ll see plenty of people acting as if nothing ever happened while others struggle to get their lives and businesses back on track.
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3/20/2020 5:38pm Edited Date/Time 3/20/2020 5:46pm
newmann wrote:
You think San Fran will quit handing out free needles and stop letting people crap in the street? Things have been changing at quite a fast...
You think San Fran will quit handing out free needles and stop letting people crap in the street?

Things have been changing at quite a fast pace pre corona and people forget pretty quick. You would think after all the earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, floods, wildfires, housing and market crashes that most people would have their emergency fund built up so they could get by for a few months if things went bad. But, they haven’t. Many are still living paycheck to paycheck. I’m not knocking anyone’s bad situation but there are soooo many people that fall into that category that could have saved a little for a rainy day and didn’t.

Give this a few months and you’ll see plenty of people acting as if nothing ever happened while others struggle to get their lives and businesses back on track.
You may be exactly right. And it’s true history shows people are awfully stubborn and creatures of habit. Guess I’m thinking more of a worst case scenario
where we don’t get a grip on this in just a few months. Like if this does go on for 18 months like some experts predict. That would surely change allot of people and things afterwards
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3/20/2020 5:41pm Edited Date/Time 3/20/2020 5:43pm
Next year at this time we won't remember any of this happened.
I hope your totally on point about this and it’s all for nothing, but I don’t share the same confidence. I think this time next year the numbers of this aftermath could be catastrophic to look back on. I pray your right and I’m wrong though.

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I'm trying to stay optimistic , and believe maybe some people will change their ways , other's won't. Over the last century , we ( the whole planet ) have seen some wicked diseases and viruses. We always win this God damn battle!! We may lose some people , but that is to be expected.

Am I concerned? Yeah , of course I am. Am I worried?.......not really. Will it change my life?......fuck no it won't!! I'll be a little more cautious for a while , but sooner or later run my life exactly the way I was before.

Look......there was a guy on here last night that said " No SX on TV , no MXGP on TV........ it'll be a boring summer , with nothing to do!"........ seriously??

Get out of the God damn house , watch your boundaries and live your life! And when things clear up , you feel you have money to spend.....support your local businesses! That's how we kick start this sob and get it going again!
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newmann wrote:
You think San Fran will quit handing out free needles and stop letting people crap in the street? Things have been changing at quite a fast...
You think San Fran will quit handing out free needles and stop letting people crap in the street?

Things have been changing at quite a fast pace pre corona and people forget pretty quick. You would think after all the earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, floods, wildfires, housing and market crashes that most people would have their emergency fund built up so they could get by for a few months if things went bad. But, they haven’t. Many are still living paycheck to paycheck. I’m not knocking anyone’s bad situation but there are soooo many people that fall into that category that could have saved a little for a rainy day and didn’t.

Give this a few months and you’ll see plenty of people acting as if nothing ever happened while others struggle to get their lives and businesses back on track.
Joe nailed it!
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I hope your totally on point about this and it’s all for nothing, but I don’t share the same confidence. I think this time next year...
I hope your totally on point about this and it’s all for nothing, but I don’t share the same confidence. I think this time next year the numbers of this aftermath could be catastrophic to look back on. I pray your right and I’m wrong though.
MX......this virus is a nasty one , but to be honest it's fucking weak! It picks on the elderly , and from everything we have seen ( overall every where ) about a 2% death rate. Compare that to fucking cancer , which makes this Corona crap look stupid. And cancer is just one of hundreds of killers out there. As Joe said......it may take a bit , but we'll get right back to normal. Not just health , but the economy after some time. We humans can be stronger than what some doubters may think.
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This event will not go away in a year.

This event will further the divide between the younger and the older generations. This will be regarded as an inconvenience by older generations and a major eye opener for younger generations. Just like 9/11/Iraq/War on Terror, and the Great Recession cause younger people to question the institutions of society.

Hugging will return. Shaking hands will return. Concerts will return. Races will return.

I think this will cause I much broader embrace of performing education and work remotely.
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3/20/2020 6:02pm Edited Date/Time 3/20/2020 6:20pm
jeffro503 wrote:
I'm trying to stay optimistic , and believe maybe some people will change their ways , other's won't. Over the last century , we ( the...
I'm trying to stay optimistic , and believe maybe some people will change their ways , other's won't. Over the last century , we ( the whole planet ) have seen some wicked diseases and viruses. We always win this God damn battle!! We may lose some people , but that is to be expected.

Am I concerned? Yeah , of course I am. Am I worried?.......not really. Will it change my life?......fuck no it won't!! I'll be a little more cautious for a while , but sooner or later run my life exactly the way I was before.

Look......there was a guy on here last night that said " No SX on TV , no MXGP on TV........ it'll be a boring summer , with nothing to do!"........ seriously??

Get out of the God damn house , watch your boundaries and live your life! And when things clear up , you feel you have money to spend.....support your local businesses! That's how we kick start this sob and get it going again!
I dig your outlook. Not trying to be doom and gloom. I too plan to live life just as I was before all this but can’t help but see some things changing.

Cheers - calling it a night. Check back in the morning. Gotta get some shut eye, another big day of princess forts with my daughter, helping the wife with the chores, and binge watching 90’s moto on YouTube. This “at home life” ain’t so bad lol. Make the best of it and enjoying the extra time spent with them
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newmann wrote:
You think San Fran will quit handing out free needles and stop letting people crap in the street? Things have been changing at quite a fast...
You think San Fran will quit handing out free needles and stop letting people crap in the street?

Things have been changing at quite a fast pace pre corona and people forget pretty quick. You would think after all the earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, floods, wildfires, housing and market crashes that most people would have their emergency fund built up so they could get by for a few months if things went bad. But, they haven’t. Many are still living paycheck to paycheck. I’m not knocking anyone’s bad situation but there are soooo many people that fall into that category that could have saved a little for a rainy day and didn’t.

Give this a few months and you’ll see plenty of people acting as if nothing ever happened while others struggle to get their lives and businesses back on track.
And a whole lot more homeless people on the street.

Just saying
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I'm trying to stay optimistic , and believe maybe some people will change their ways , other's won't. Over the last century , we ( the...
I'm trying to stay optimistic , and believe maybe some people will change their ways , other's won't. Over the last century , we ( the whole planet ) have seen some wicked diseases and viruses. We always win this God damn battle!! We may lose some people , but that is to be expected.

Am I concerned? Yeah , of course I am. Am I worried?.......not really. Will it change my life?......fuck no it won't!! I'll be a little more cautious for a while , but sooner or later run my life exactly the way I was before.

Look......there was a guy on here last night that said " No SX on TV , no MXGP on TV........ it'll be a boring summer , with nothing to do!"........ seriously??

Get out of the God damn house , watch your boundaries and live your life! And when things clear up , you feel you have money to spend.....support your local businesses! That's how we kick start this sob and get it going again!
MX114 wrote:
I dig your outlook. Not trying to be doom and gloom. I too plan to live life just as I was before all this but can’t...
I dig your outlook. Not trying to be doom and gloom. I too plan to live life just as I was before all this but can’t help but see some things changing.

Cheers - calling it a night. Check back in the morning. Gotta get some shut eye, another big day of princess forts with my daughter, helping the wife with the chores, and binge watching 90’s moto on YouTube. This “at home life” ain’t so bad lol. Make the best of it and enjoying the extra time spent with them
MX.....you will be fine! It may not seem like it right now , and I know damn well we haven't seen the worst of this yet. BUT.....it will indeed get better and back to normal. Think outside the box to survive if you have to , but God damn it , don't ever give up!
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Bullshit, I just today witnessed my job that I thought was relatively secure become a lot less so as some of my coworkers and people I consider friends were laid off. Now I'm sitting here wondering how long I have left until I'm considered unnecessary as they try to keep the company afloat, but also extremely thankful that I've been putting money away in case something like this were to happen. Today I learned that you can do absolutely everything right and set yourself up for success, then have the rug pulled out from under you at any time and without any control. I'm sure as hell never going to forget today any time soon or possibly ever, I've never witnessed this before or had these fears before in my young working career. I'll be fine and get by, I'm not so much worried about myself, but I guess until you've lived and experienced it like I just did it's a major eye opener.
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" What if it mutates? "...............well , it already has slightly. The homeless issue?.........laws may have changed to help circumvent the issue on actually having them on the street , which was not my point. My point is , there are more and more drug users and people with mental illness out there then ever before , and no whee to put them. Trying to understand what your point is , and why you think I'm debating that?
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Bullshit, I just today witnessed my job that I thought was relatively secure become a lot less so as some of my coworkers and people I...
Bullshit, I just today witnessed my job that I thought was relatively secure become a lot less so as some of my coworkers and people I consider friends were laid off. Now I'm sitting here wondering how long I have left until I'm considered unnecessary as they try to keep the company afloat, but also extremely thankful that I've been putting money away in case something like this were to happen. Today I learned that you can do absolutely everything right and set yourself up for success, then have the rug pulled out from under you at any time and without any control. I'm sure as hell never going to forget today any time soon or possibly ever, I've never witnessed this before or had these fears before in my young working career. I'll be fine and get by, I'm not so much worried about myself, but I guess until you've lived and experienced it like I just did it's a major eye opener.
Josh , you are a smart young dude , who I admire on this board. With my age , comes with experiences of seeing some evil shit happen around this planet over those years. This is a bad one for sure , but I also see it more as of a knee jerk reaction. Why?.......social media and the main stream media have blown this shit way out of proportion. It is a bad one YES , but this isn't as bad as it seems , and guy's like you , will pull through. I can't quite put my finger on what my brain is thinking here, but there is more to this whole thing , than just this virus. And in time , maybe we'll get to see the whole picture.
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JM485 wrote:
Bullshit, I just today witnessed my job that I thought was relatively secure become a lot less so as some of my coworkers and people I...
Bullshit, I just today witnessed my job that I thought was relatively secure become a lot less so as some of my coworkers and people I consider friends were laid off. Now I'm sitting here wondering how long I have left until I'm considered unnecessary as they try to keep the company afloat, but also extremely thankful that I've been putting money away in case something like this were to happen. Today I learned that you can do absolutely everything right and set yourself up for success, then have the rug pulled out from under you at any time and without any control. I'm sure as hell never going to forget today any time soon or possibly ever, I've never witnessed this before or had these fears before in my young working career. I'll be fine and get by, I'm not so much worried about myself, but I guess until you've lived and experienced it like I just did it's a major eye opener.
I'm a Mech Eng, I started at the company I currently work for in January of 2015. Due to whatever factor with the economy I was laid off in October of 2015, but the company I worked for at the time (and still do) have a 45 day policy of continued employment post lay off before termination. I was lucky and found another job within the company with almost the same role during the 45 days so I never actually left.

But I can guarantee you that I remember everything about that day when I was notified of my lay off, I remember the room, the white folder, the emotions, the feelings and I am sure I will for the rest of my life. That split moment in time changed so much for me.

I feel for you man, keep your chin up, and it's always good to have a financial cushion.
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JM485 wrote:
Bullshit, I just today witnessed my job that I thought was relatively secure become a lot less so as some of my coworkers and people I...
Bullshit, I just today witnessed my job that I thought was relatively secure become a lot less so as some of my coworkers and people I consider friends were laid off. Now I'm sitting here wondering how long I have left until I'm considered unnecessary as they try to keep the company afloat, but also extremely thankful that I've been putting money away in case something like this were to happen. Today I learned that you can do absolutely everything right and set yourself up for success, then have the rug pulled out from under you at any time and without any control. I'm sure as hell never going to forget today any time soon or possibly ever, I've never witnessed this before or had these fears before in my young working career. I'll be fine and get by, I'm not so much worried about myself, but I guess until you've lived and experienced it like I just did it's a major eye opener.
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Josh , you are a smart young dude , who I admire on this board. With my age , comes with experiences of seeing some evil...
Josh , you are a smart young dude , who I admire on this board. With my age , comes with experiences of seeing some evil shit happen around this planet over those years. This is a bad one for sure , but I also see it more as of a knee jerk reaction. Why?.......social media and the main stream media have blown this shit way out of proportion. It is a bad one YES , but this isn't as bad as it seems , and guy's like you , will pull through. I can't quite put my finger on what my brain is thinking here, but there is more to this whole thing , than just this virus. And in time , maybe we'll get to see the whole picture.
I'll echo Jeffro. I'm about 29 years into my career.

Have had the pleasure to get to know Josh and see him at the racetrack a few times. There will be more days in Josh's career like today, but this Nation could use more of his like. Keep that spirit and fight Josh, we're all being tested and (in whatever capacity) keep your eye on the long term. There are opportunities for all who are not complacent or distracted.
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JM485 wrote:
Bullshit, I just today witnessed my job that I thought was relatively secure become a lot less so as some of my coworkers and people I...
Bullshit, I just today witnessed my job that I thought was relatively secure become a lot less so as some of my coworkers and people I consider friends were laid off. Now I'm sitting here wondering how long I have left until I'm considered unnecessary as they try to keep the company afloat, but also extremely thankful that I've been putting money away in case something like this were to happen. Today I learned that you can do absolutely everything right and set yourself up for success, then have the rug pulled out from under you at any time and without any control. I'm sure as hell never going to forget today any time soon or possibly ever, I've never witnessed this before or had these fears before in my young working career. I'll be fine and get by, I'm not so much worried about myself, but I guess until you've lived and experienced it like I just did it's a major eye opener.
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Josh , you are a smart young dude , who I admire on this board. With my age , comes with experiences of seeing some evil...
Josh , you are a smart young dude , who I admire on this board. With my age , comes with experiences of seeing some evil shit happen around this planet over those years. This is a bad one for sure , but I also see it more as of a knee jerk reaction. Why?.......social media and the main stream media have blown this shit way out of proportion. It is a bad one YES , but this isn't as bad as it seems , and guy's like you , will pull through. I can't quite put my finger on what my brain is thinking here, but there is more to this whole thing , than just this virus. And in time , maybe we'll get to see the whole picture.
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I'll echo Jeffro. I'm about 29 years into my career. Have had the pleasure to get to know Josh and see him at the racetrack a...
I'll echo Jeffro. I'm about 29 years into my career.

Have had the pleasure to get to know Josh and see him at the racetrack a few times. There will be more days in Josh's career like today, but this Nation could use more of his like. Keep that spirit and fight Josh, we're all being tested and (in whatever capacity) keep your eye on the long term. There are opportunities for all who are not complacent or distracted.
Thank you guys I really really appreciate that, I'm not trying to be a downer but it's been a rough week I'm not gonna lie, I needed to vent.

I definitely don't want to make management seem evil or anything though, we're a very tight knit company and I know this was absolutely not a trivial thing for them to do, and they never would do this unless it was absolutely essential for the company to stay afloat. I know that they have every intention of hiring these same people back once this passes if possible, and I'm hoping this plays out in such a way that makes that a reality

Jeff, I know exactly where you're coming from and I shared some of the same thoughts you did regarding there being a bigger force at work here, but after doing a bit of my own research I truly believe we need to take some drastic measures quickly to avoid a massive disaster. I don't think this will be the end of the world by any means, in fact I'm setting myself up to hopefully take advantage of a market resurgence when (not if) it happens, but I just can't see how anyone would benefit from anything that's happening currently. People are going to die, the economy is going to take a massive hit, the debt is going to skyrocket, there's absolutely no winners here no matter what side of the isle you're on or what income class you're apart of. That's my take on it at least, I think these next few weeks will be extremely challenging for everyone but after that the effects of our efforts will start to show, remember due to the incubation period before symptoms show benefits from measures taken will be delayed proportionally. If everyone does their part and keeps a level head we'll get through eventually.
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3/20/2020 10:46pm Edited Date/Time 3/20/2020 10:46pm
After all this every country will be in enormous debt, there is no way to balance it ever. I see whole financial system changing. You can call it reset.
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After all this every country will be in enormous debt, there is no way to balance it ever. I see whole financial system changing. You can...
After all this every country will be in enormous debt, there is no way to balance it ever. I see whole financial system changing. You can call it reset.
I have same sentiment as you. In some ways, I hope there is a reset in the way financial systems capitalize on the working class and poor while lining the pockets of the powerful as they laugh at all of us fighting each other over trivial shit that they themselves help create to distract us from the immoral crimes they've created for decades. The inequality around the world has been unmasked for all to see. I can only hope everyone who isn't part of the elite finally wake up and start to demand change, and fight the real enemy. It ain't us working folk we should be fighting.

When all is said and done, it's going to be fascinating to go back through this thread from it's inception and will be a sociological case study on how different people from across the world united by dirt bikes, all came to different mindsets...from those who predicted this thing was not a big deal, to those who saw the sky falling, and those in between.

This is uncharted territory and unprecedented what is happening. An entire global economy shutting down and almost every single country and nation on the planet shutting down society in order to stop an invisible yet highly dangerous and deceptive virus the likes of which no viral specialist has ever seen and which spreads so rapidly. I for one was concerned from the onset of the outbreak in China and knew it was going to hit the US. But I NEVER thought it would hit like it is now and is going too. I just can't help but think that no puppet master, illuminati or government would ever unleash a virus that could potentially disrupt decades of economic development, millions and millions of lives and think that they were immune to it. If literally every virologist in the world is waving a Red Cross flag in regards to this virus and begging everyone to hunker down...this should be a wake up call to us all.

On some spiritual level, I kind of also feel that Mother Nature is finally sick and tired of our bullshit and over us destroying the planet all in the name of the dollar. She's cleansing herself just as she's done for billions of years before we came around. Humanity needs a wake up call and perhaps on the other side of this shit, we listen and are all better off for it. Still love my 2 stroke though. But if going to an E Bike is one positive that comes out of this, so be it. FML.
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3/21/2020 4:19am Edited Date/Time 3/21/2020 6:13am
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Made me think of this. Laughing

https://youtu.be/lvl_lfNyHuM
Yep same here


This thing isn't going away, it'll come and go as do other flu's and diseases. At some point in time we'll all end up with it at least once. By then though they should have a better handle on it and the impact will be much diminished.

The shutting everything down is a new slippery slope. Yes I understand the logistics of getting it to slow down enough to hopefully not have the resources overwhelmed, but now what is the next "whatever" that they deem destructive enough to "warrant" this type of social control.

I'm out every day doing my job going to Minn or Chicago same as it ever was... 'cept for the new signs everywhere warning me of how dangerous the world is.

Oh well do what you all need to do... I've got a for fun ChampCar to work on.

Peace.
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This shit better get a whole lot worse. The economic destruction caused by the press and mostly by government is going to be horrendous. My question is what justifies this response?

In the '17-'18 flu season, 60 to 80,000 people died. Where were the lockdowns and shutdowns. There was plenty of toilet paper.
An average death toll for flu is 10,000 to 30,000 per season with 30,000,000 reported cases. That's only in the US.
In China, this epidemic is mostly over with 3,200 deaths.

So far, covid-19 has killed 201 people in the US. The season is not over, and it will go up but based on actions taken in previous years, will the extreme economy killing actions taken this time ever be really justified?





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"... if we save one child .... "

No it's not justified. Talked to a friend down by St Louis, she's been given papers to show the police that she's going to work if pulled over.

Let that sink in.

I can't express the frustration I have to those that don't see where the acceptance of this possible police action would lead.

Carry on...
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This shit better get a whole lot worse. The economic destruction caused by the press and mostly by government is going to be horrendous. My question...
This shit better get a whole lot worse. The economic destruction caused by the press and mostly by government is going to be horrendous. My question is what justifies this response?

In the '17-'18 flu season, 60 to 80,000 people died. Where were the lockdowns and shutdowns. There was plenty of toilet paper.
An average death toll for flu is 10,000 to 30,000 per season with 30,000,000 reported cases. That's only in the US.
In China, this epidemic is mostly over with 3,200 deaths.

So far, covid-19 has killed 201 people in the US. The season is not over, and it will go up but based on actions taken in previous years, will the extreme economy killing actions taken this time ever be really justified?





So youre hoping it gets worse to justify shutting everything down? Thats fucked up. Idk how many times this needs to be said, but this isnt the flu. Humans have no immunity to it, we know barely anything about it, it seems to spread very easily before any symptoms show, theres currently no treatment, and the mortality rate is much higher than the flu. I dont like the world being shutdown either, but I think we should have taken these measures awhile ago because I feel like were fucked already but dont even know it yet.
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This shit better get a whole lot worse. The economic destruction caused by the press and mostly by government is going to be horrendous. My question...
This shit better get a whole lot worse. The economic destruction caused by the press and mostly by government is going to be horrendous. My question is what justifies this response?

In the '17-'18 flu season, 60 to 80,000 people died. Where were the lockdowns and shutdowns. There was plenty of toilet paper.
An average death toll for flu is 10,000 to 30,000 per season with 30,000,000 reported cases. That's only in the US.
In China, this epidemic is mostly over with 3,200 deaths.

So far, covid-19 has killed 201 people in the US. The season is not over, and it will go up but based on actions taken in previous years, will the extreme economy killing actions taken this time ever be really justified?





So youre hoping it gets worse to justify shutting everything down? Thats fucked up. Idk how many times this needs to be said, but this isnt...
So youre hoping it gets worse to justify shutting everything down? Thats fucked up. Idk how many times this needs to be said, but this isnt the flu. Humans have no immunity to it, we know barely anything about it, it seems to spread very easily before any symptoms show, theres currently no treatment, and the mortality rate is much higher than the flu. I dont like the world being shutdown either, but I think we should have taken these measures awhile ago because I feel like were fucked already but dont even know it yet.
Then you must be all in for an economic shutdown every year. BTW humans don't have immunity to any of the annual flu viruses that happen every year. If we did, 30,000 people would not die from it every year.


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Then you must be all in for an economic shutdown every year. BTW humans don't have immunity to any of the annual flu viruses that happen...
Then you must be all in for an economic shutdown every year. BTW humans don't have immunity to any of the annual flu viruses that happen every year. If we did, 30,000 people would not die from it every year.


No, because this isnt the annual flu that is less contagious and has a mortality rate of 0.1%
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borg wrote:
This shit better get a whole lot worse. The economic destruction caused by the press and mostly by government is going to be horrendous. My question...
This shit better get a whole lot worse. The economic destruction caused by the press and mostly by government is going to be horrendous. My question is what justifies this response?

In the '17-'18 flu season, 60 to 80,000 people died. Where were the lockdowns and shutdowns. There was plenty of toilet paper.
An average death toll for flu is 10,000 to 30,000 per season with 30,000,000 reported cases. That's only in the US.
In China, this epidemic is mostly over with 3,200 deaths.

So far, covid-19 has killed 201 people in the US. The season is not over, and it will go up but based on actions taken in previous years, will the extreme economy killing actions taken this time ever be really justified?





If it gets worse, we didn’t do enough, early enough.

If it feels like we overreacted a year from now, then we probably just did enough....
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The mortality rate is being compared only against those tested. There have been equally more, and I would bet, there have been a lot lot more people who have contracted it and already recovered from it and they are not in your testing numbers at all. That would pull the mortality rate down significantly. It may be contagious, but there is no numerical proof it’s any more deadly then flu.
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borg wrote:
This shit better get a whole lot worse. The economic destruction caused by the press and mostly by government is going to be horrendous. My question...
This shit better get a whole lot worse. The economic destruction caused by the press and mostly by government is going to be horrendous. My question is what justifies this response?

In the '17-'18 flu season, 60 to 80,000 people died. Where were the lockdowns and shutdowns. There was plenty of toilet paper.
An average death toll for flu is 10,000 to 30,000 per season with 30,000,000 reported cases. That's only in the US.
In China, this epidemic is mostly over with 3,200 deaths.

So far, covid-19 has killed 201 people in the US. The season is not over, and it will go up but based on actions taken in previous years, will the extreme economy killing actions taken this time ever be really justified?





APLMAN99 wrote:
If it gets worse, we didn’t do enough, early enough.

If it feels like we overreacted a year from now, then we probably just did enough....
Maybe I didn't ask the question clearly.
Based on what we have done, year after year after year, of accepting 30,000 deaths per year from the flu, doing nothing but hit or miss vaccines, mostly miss, is the massive economic consequences we will suffer, worth it?

Or, should we do this every year to try to prevent the 30,000 deaths caused by the flu?




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