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Most people here probably know that I have no respect for the former president Trump, but what do you guys think about the Secret Service being asked to testify? Myself, I don’t think that I can support that. It would seem to me that the responsibility of protecting the president while divulging nothing would be equally as sacrosanct as any attorney client privilege. Having Secret Service members be able to speak openly about their interactions and observances seems like it would be a great opportunity for affecting coups during any administration that subsequently occupies the presidency.
Is it safe to say that this is something that we can all agree on?
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I will say while agree they shouldn’t be compelled to testify, I am ok if they volunteer to rebut incorrect testimony by someone else.
If he is overheard ordering something constitutionally illegal...they should speak up.
He is an elected official. Our employee. As accountable as any other govt servant.
The secret service knows where the lines are...I expect them to preserve the nation's security but NOT protect the guilty.
Subpoenaing them is one thing,but it boils down to what questions they ask them.
They would be insane to answer any questions about tactics/movements etc...that could compromise principals that they protect. Probably not a good idea to put them up there as you stated for numerous other reasons too. It could also ruin the officers career. "I don't want that big mouth on MY security detail!"
Even if Congress could actually put on a fair hearing I still think compelling SS to testify is a bad idea. If the president did something bad enough, I would expect an agent to drop dime. They have sworn to defend the Constitution as well as protect the president.
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What about the family members that are protected while they are doing their shenanigans (crack and hookers)?
Seriously, I heard somewhere, can’t guarantee it’s verified, that they had announced months before that they were doing some kind of upgrade to the phones and some info might be lost.
Again, I can’t even remember where I heard it, and don’t know if it was before or after they were subpoenaed.
If only these clowns were half as interested in doing what is good for the American people or Country.
They aren't though, so fuck them and their bs investigation. What's funny as hell though is they won't subpoena a secret service agent for their testimony, because it will likely just prove that prior testimony is a bunch of malarkey., meanwhile they charge Bannon who was 3 years removed from the Trump campaign, for contempt.
As a political circus it is a monumental failure. We'd all rather see Hunter Biden's laptop on full display, now that would get ratings. Of course, Hunters, sweet heart plea deal will likely make his laptop information scarcer than the Kennedy assassination files, for 75 years
I’d pay good money to watch Pelosi on the stand getting questioned and cross examined.
After Cassidy Hutchinson testified publicly and an 'anonymous source' refuted the anecdote she claims Ornato and Engel shared with her on January 6th, Secret Service released an official statement, which said; "The United States Secret Service has been cooperating with the Select Committee since its inception in spring 2021, and will continue to do so, including by responding on the record to the Committee regarding the new allegations surfaced in today's testimony,"
According to the Jan 6th Committee, after Cassidy Hutchinsons public hearing Tony Ornato and Robert Engel had agreed to come back and testify under oath, but so far neither has shown up. Both have subsequently hired outside counsel.
Engel is one of 24 Secret Service members whose text messages are missing from January 5th and 6th. Another is James Murray the outgoing director of the Secret Service who resigned from his position on July 7th 2022, just a week before it was first reported that Secret Service text messages had been erased.
"If only these clowns were half as interested in doing what is good for the American people or Country."
If only you were bright enough to realise that's precisely what they are doing...
"meanwhile they charge Bannon who was 3 years removed from the Trump campaign, for contempt."
Here's Bannon in October 2020, explaining exactly what was going to happen on election night...
And here's Bannon again predicting what was going to happen on January 6th...
https://youtube.com/shorts/t7rSZl0u2n4?feature=share
Cheney said it best in her closing statement last week;
"Donald Trump knows that millions of Americans who supported him would stand up and defend our nation were it threatened. They would put their lives and freedom at stake to protect her. And he is preying on their patriotism. He is preying on their sense of justice. And on January 6th, Donald Trump turned their love of country into a weapon against our Capitol and our Constitution.
He has purposely created the false impression that America is threatened by a foreign force controlling voting machines, or that a wave of tens of millions of false ballots were secretly injected into our election system, or that ballot workers have secret thumb drives and are stealing elections with them. All complete nonsense. We must remember that we cannot abandon the truth and remain a free nation."
Many of you have been duped by a bunch of despicable fraudsters and it's beyond time you woke up to that fact!
Yeah lady, that is exactly what we are saying, they were purposefully let in for an unguided tour because it was part of a plan to make Trump out to be the bad guy.
I'm still waiting for him to be charged with anything. It is accomplishing what they wanted though, because many people are just getting burnt out and thinking that maybe he just shouldn't run again, after his name has been dragged through the mud for 4 years
The idea that 'it was part of a plan to make Trump out to be the bad guy' is... pretty far fetched.
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Pit Row
Maybe you believe every word out of Cheney’s mouth, but I sure don’t. She’s had a vendetta against Trump from the start.
And you think we are the ones believing lies!
It's not too late to learn the facts and help minimise the cloud of guilt and shame that will inevitably descend upon you in the end.
It's long been clear to me that Trumps actions and his inactions were damaging to our democracy. I didn't need these hearings. There are some previous supporters who have come to understand this too because of one thing the hearings have revealed. That is that he sat and watched the mayhem while refusing to call his on his morons to stand down. It is tantamount to tacit approval. It should be a strong warning to anybody who cares about the doctrine of a "peaceful exchange of power". The New York Post is one such previous supporter.
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No, you didn't.
Because like the rest of you Trump die hards, you never bother to burden yourselves with the facts. You bury your heads in the sand or stick your fingers in your ears and choose to live in cloud cuckoo land instead.
Republicans agreed to a bi-partisan outside commission to investigate the events of January 6th. After the Democrats agreed to Kevin McCarthys terms and conditions he reneged on the agreement. Therefore the January 6th Commission was subsequently set up as an alternative. McCarthy nominated five GOP members, two of whom played active roles in events of January 6th itself. Pelosi, quite rightly, rejected those two nominations. Rather than nominating replacements McCarthy withdrew ALL of the GOP nominations - likely a tactical ploy which you have bought hook line and sinker.
This is the same guy who said a January 6th enquiry was needed from the very start and that Trump should resign, before soon surrendering to Trumps wrath and behaving like the gutless, bad faith political operator that he is.
Explain why Pelosi won’t testify. Explain why she refused to call in the National Guard that was offered by who? Trump.
The two Secret Service men have not testified because they won’t call them.
Pelosi rejected Jim Jordan and the others because she didn’t want to have any opposition to her narrative. McCarthy was right to disengage. He saw it for the sham it is.
Now the SS agents can't even volunteer testimony without the approval of the higher ups. Like any testimony, the attorneys negotiate what can and cannot be asked. So in this case, the agents could offer if approved, to testify if Cassidy's story was truthful. One question, was it truthful?
Yes or no and done. No single event should undermine the trust a president has with his team. Videman was no whistle blower, just a traitor. It wasn't that long ago there was a certain cigar in play with a young power infatuated staffer, should that have been made public by the SS agent?
It's not the agents job or right or even privilege to determine right from wrong. Let's turn this around. What if there was a warning that Russia launched a missle towards the US and the president did not want to launch a counter attack. Should the protective agent protecting the president take over and launch the counter attack because he/she decided it was the right thing to do? Nope they should have zero say in right and wrong, their job is protecting the president.
TM
Has Pelosi refused to testify?
There is no evidence that Trump authorised the National Guard troops to protect the Capitol prior to January 6th and no evidence that Pelosi denied it. All you have are the words of a habitual liar and fraudster and a desperate attempt to absolve himself of responsibility. Furthermore Pelosi does not have the power to call the National Guard, according to the president and CEO of the U.S. Capitol Historical Society Jane. L Campbell: "No congressional official, or body, has the authority to activate the National Guard to the U.S. Capitol. Only the president". Incidentally there is no record of Trump attempting to call any form of law enforcement or military leaders on January 6th itself.
The two Secret Service men have not testified because they won’t call them.
The two Secret Service men have already been deposed. Having agreed to testify again under oath after Hutchinsons public testimony they have so far failed to appear. Read my earlier post.
Pelosi rejected Jim Jordan and the others because she didn’t want to have any opposition to her narrative.
Jim Jordan is nothing but a grandstanding antagonist who's role in the investigation would have been nothing but a chaos agent and mole for Donald Trump. He spoke at a number of Stop the Steal rallies and was in direct communication with Trump on the morning of January 6th and objected to the certification of the election. Trump then awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom
Did you see the clip of Pelosi denying her husband made trades off of any info she gave him? Do you believe that they hit the jackpot so many times by buying stocks right before legislation came down that would affect that stock by COINCIDENCE??
It says a lot when you end one of your paragraphs with “ read my earlier post”. So you have evidently appointed yourself as the one who knows all.
It says a lot when you end one of your paragraphs with “ read my earlier post” So you have evidently appointed yourself as the one who knows all.
SS Agents were previously interviewed @2:40
SS Agents have since not come in and testified under oath as agreed
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