Semi 1 vs Semi 2, is it fair?

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Edited Date/Time 4/9/2014 9:06pm
Adam Enticknap was talking on the PulpMX show tonight about Semi 1 versus Semi 2.

We know that odd finishers from 5 to 21 go to the Second Semi. Even finishers from 6 to 22 go to the first semi.

This makes it so that the first riders going to the semis both go to Semi 2. Is this fair? We would assume these fifth place riders would be the fastest riders who do not qualify and they are both going to the same semi.

Adam said that Nick Schmidt let Adam go by him at the end of a heat so that he would finish in an even position. It was unclear whether Adam or Nick thought of it first.

Can the AMA look into this? Are they aware of this?
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GuyB 4/7/2014 10:12pm
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What's the solution?
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kongols 4/7/2014 10:14pm
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Because they always finish in pecking order? This is a problem without a problem.
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enketchum 4/7/2014 10:18pm
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kongols wrote:
Because they always finish in pecking order? This is a problem without a problem.
Listen to the way Adam speaks about it on the show.

And then listen to how confused Steve gets when he tries to explain it
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oldAFI 4/7/2014 10:36pm
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How about this?

Odds from heat 1 go to semi 1,
odds from heat 2 got to semi 2,
evens from heat 1 go to semi 2,
evens from heat 2 go to semi 1.

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Thelen20 4/8/2014 2:48am
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oldAFI wrote:
How about this? Odds from heat 1 go to semi 1, odds from heat 2 got to semi 2, evens from heat 1 go to semi...
How about this?

Odds from heat 1 go to semi 1,
odds from heat 2 got to semi 2,
evens from heat 1 go to semi 2,
evens from heat 2 go to semi 1.
Resolved!!!
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steveada 4/8/2014 3:29am
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Your theory doesn't take into account the fact that there are usually a few fast guys who get a bad start or crash in the heat that don't make it back to a qualifying position and have to run a semi. Also, the real difference between a rider who gets 5th and a rider that gets 6th is insignificant from race to race and is more dependant upon how good their start was etc than any real difference in their speed. In other words, if you ran the same heat race 10 times in a row, the finishing order from 5-10th place would not be consistent from race to race.
crackalack 4/8/2014 3:45am
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why not if you race heat 1, you are in semi 1, if you race heat 2, you are in semi 2
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crackalack wrote:
why not if you race heat 1, you are in semi 1, if you race heat 2, you are in semi 2
Im pretty sure thats how they did it in the past . Seems logical.
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Don't even get me started on how they willy nilly throw the LCQ together ! ! Angry Fuck all ! !
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IWreckALot 4/8/2014 4:50am
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I've been paying attention to Enticknap every since he started going on the PulpMX show. He really has gotten the short end of the stick on which Semi he has had to race in. I recall seeing his name in the 6th or 8th place position and his semi had several guys that were just plain faster than the other semi. Had he raced the guys in the other semi, I think he would have gotten in. "I think" being the operative words there.

Fix suggestion number two, you race the guys that were in your heat. . . Enticknap has a bit of a point. If you take away the element of qualifying for whatever semi based on your track position in the heat race, guys will race to the end and not strategize to try to cheat the system. Especially if you make the semi gate pick come from how you finish in your heat race.
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slipdog 4/8/2014 6:00am
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I don't see it as to be too big of a deal, but oldAFI seems to have the answer.
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crackalack wrote:
why not if you race heat 1, you are in semi 1, if you race heat 2, you are in semi 2
This is how it was previously done and it seems much simpler. Has anything been gained by changing it to the even / odds format?
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crackalack wrote:
why not if you race heat 1, you are in semi 1, if you race heat 2, you are in semi 2
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Im pretty sure thats how they did it in the past . Seems logical.
This is how I thought it was all along. Seems like the best way to do it.
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rallendude 4/8/2014 8:20am
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Look at who's qualifying each week and who's not. The mains have pretty much the same guys except the last two or so each week. Looks like it's working okay to me.

Not happy with which semi you're going to? Qualify through the heat. End of story.
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jimmie 4/8/2014 8:29am
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crackalack wrote:
why not if you race heat 1, you are in semi 1, if you race heat 2, you are in semi 2
I thought this is how it went down from he beginning!

That just shows how uninformed I've been......sheeshBlink Unsure Blush

Thanks for pointing this out to me guys.Wink
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rallendude wrote:
Look at who's qualifying each week and who's not. The mains have pretty much the same guys except the last two or so each week. Looks...
Look at who's qualifying each week and who's not. The mains have pretty much the same guys except the last two or so each week. Looks like it's working okay to me.

Not happy with which semi you're going to? Qualify through the heat. End of story.
Here is the problem with the way it works now. It encourages guys to strategize slow down during the race and cheat the system. If your semi were predetermined before you race, youd push to the end of your race to get a decent gate pick rather than now where guys will intentionally slow down to get in a different semi.
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enketchum 4/8/2014 2:25pm
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So people on both sides? Does anyone know if the AMA has talked about it
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didnt read down through but how about if you are in Heat one = Semi one, Heat two = semi two.

Since they are placed there based on timed practice, Idk its pretty freaking obvious. I always wondered what was up with the semis, never bothered to look into it though.

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crackalack wrote:
why not if you race heat 1, you are in semi 1, if you race heat 2, you are in semi 2
this man might be a genius..or just have common sense.
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crackalack wrote:
why not if you race heat 1, you are in semi 1, if you race heat 2, you are in semi 2
exactly
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MeanGreen 4/8/2014 4:21pm
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Picking fly shit out of pepper.

What's his excuse for not qualifying out of the LCQ?
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smeg 4/8/2014 5:27pm
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It should be entirely random. The solution to accomplish that is simple. The issue is what means to use to relay the information to the riders without someone bitching.
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rallendude wrote:
Look at who's qualifying each week and who's not. The mains have pretty much the same guys except the last two or so each week. Looks...
Look at who's qualifying each week and who's not. The mains have pretty much the same guys except the last two or so each week. Looks like it's working okay to me.

Not happy with which semi you're going to? Qualify through the heat. End of story.
There's your answer. Get faster and qualify thru the heat or suck it up.
StartedTooLate 4/8/2014 6:22pm
4/8/2014 6:22pm Edited Date/Time 4/8/2014 6:23pm
GuyB wrote:
What's the solution?
The solution is basic...just like Thelen20 said

Heat 1 Odds and Heat 2 Evens go to Semi 1
Heat 1 Evens and Heat 2 Odds go to Semi 2

I can not believe they never did this in the 1st place.
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oldAFI 4/8/2014 11:15pm
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GuyB wrote:
What's the solution?
StartedTooLate wrote:
The solution is basic...just like Thelen20 said Heat 1 Odds and Heat 2 Evens go to Semi 1 Heat 1 Evens and Heat 2 Odds go...
The solution is basic...just like Thelen20 said

Heat 1 Odds and Heat 2 Evens go to Semi 1
Heat 1 Evens and Heat 2 Odds go to Semi 2

I can not believe they never did this in the 1st place.
My thoughts exactly.
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enketchum 4/9/2014 9:25am
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GuyB wrote:
What's the solution?
StartedTooLate wrote:
The solution is basic...just like Thelen20 said Heat 1 Odds and Heat 2 Evens go to Semi 1 Heat 1 Evens and Heat 2 Odds go...
The solution is basic...just like Thelen20 said

Heat 1 Odds and Heat 2 Evens go to Semi 1
Heat 1 Evens and Heat 2 Odds go to Semi 2

I can not believe they never did this in the 1st place.
That still makes half of Semi 1 and Semi 2 known to people racing Heat 2.
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hillbilly 4/9/2014 8:37pm
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There is really nothing fair in life, but if you want to replace skill with noskill then invert the gate pick,

That should fuck things up completely liberal like
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hillbilly 4/9/2014 9:06pm
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Jim Morrison wrote:
boohoo
That's not very Jim,

Be like,

"We just did the semi"

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