Number System poll

Tarz483
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9/1/2019 12:14pm Edited Date/Time 9/3/2019 7:57pm
I'm Just Curious how many are for or against the current permanent Number System,
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For or against Permanent Numbers

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ElliotB16
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9/1/2019 12:53pm
Seems to make riders more marketable if they have a number that is familiar to the fans
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davis224
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9/1/2019 1:43pm
I say keep it the way it is, except raise the number of points per year required to keep your career number. Nothing against Chisolm, but... it is weird to see such a low number consistently finish so far back.
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Tarz483
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9/1/2019 1:53pm
I think the earned number system, gives them a little extra motivation and something extra to try for the whole year through, just like it motivate's the privateers that try to shoot for a Earned number. it would work the same in the Top 10 and Top 20 and all the way through.
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9/1/2019 2:13pm
I'm big time against career numbers. The casual fan sees 94 and thinks he's slower than 4, which isn't exactly the case.
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9/1/2019 2:37pm
I appreciate being able to recognize who is who, especially with the 7-15th place guys. If their numbers changed every season, including indoor outdoor number changes based on the year prior in each respective series, I’d be pretty confused for the first few rounds of each.
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Brad460
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9/1/2019 2:45pm
Whatever the numbering system is, folks will bitch and complain...might as well leave it as it is...or change it, doesn’t matter.
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Forty
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9/1/2019 2:50pm
Top 20 should change as earned.
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9/1/2019 3:31pm Edited Date/Time 9/1/2019 3:31pm
250 points shouldn't earn you a career top 20 number.
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9/1/2019 4:03pm
Current is fine. I dont want to relearn numbers every year. Also the only number that matters is 1.
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9/1/2019 4:33pm
I remember learning new numbers every year. It was cool to see where guys finished overall. I loved Bailey with that number 11. Looked so cool. I remember O'Mara being 5, and Glover 44 one year. People remember the rider more than the number.
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Doddy
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9/1/2019 5:15pm
I think top 10 should be earned, the rest can be career....if I was to compromise. Otherwise, race what you earned.
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9/1/2019 5:47pm
davis224 wrote:
I say keep it the way it is, except raise the number of points per year required to keep your career number. Nothing against Chisolm, but...
I say keep it the way it is, except raise the number of points per year required to keep your career number. Nothing against Chisolm, but... it is weird to see such a low number consistently finish so far back.
That is kind of the point of the earned system. If one had earned a number like 11 the year prior, they more than likely would be hovering around the top 10. I miss the days when you see someone with a number like 92 make it into a main. They are on the lower side of being a top 40 rider but they made it. It was even cooler seeing someone with a high number run inside the top 20. Its nice to see people over achieve.

But honestly, when they took away qualifiers at the nationals we really lost something in my eyes. I always found it amazing how the lower the number the better they most always qualified. Example would be to pick the lowest number on the line and they would most likely be in the top 3. I always found that amazing. Now the ability to observe that is just lost with permanent number system.
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9/1/2019 5:53pm
I'm big time against career numbers. The casual fan sees 94 and thinks he's slower than 4, which isn't exactly the case.
No casual fan thinks that. No other sports for the most part do earned numbers.

I'm all for the career numbers, let the riders create a brand for themselves so they can merchandise and make a few bucks.
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aeffertz
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9/1/2019 6:05pm
I think it'd get old really quick having to learn a whole field of new rider/number combos every year. No thanks.
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mysterion117
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9/1/2019 6:13pm Edited Date/Time 9/1/2019 6:14pm
Riders should be able to pick any number over 100. If you want to run sub 100 you gotta earn it. Single digits only for 450 champs.

Numbers can be sentimental to riders, I can’t imagine not running 117, I’ve ran it for 19 years now.

The current number system is garbage. I can hardly remember who is who the first few rounds
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9/1/2019 6:36pm Edited Date/Time 9/1/2019 7:13pm
I'm big time against career numbers. The casual fan sees 94 and thinks he's slower than 4, which isn't exactly the case.
WoodsRacer wrote:
No casual fan thinks that. No other sports for the most part do earned numbers. I'm all for the career numbers, let the riders create a...
No casual fan thinks that. No other sports for the most part do earned numbers.

I'm all for the career numbers, let the riders create a brand for themselves so they can merchandise and make a few bucks.

How odd to wear a number that was earned.
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9/1/2019 6:51pm
I've seen first hand that casual viewers appreciate the permanent numbers. Some of my friends know 94, 22, 3, etc but have no idea who the others are.
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9/1/2019 7:16pm Edited Date/Time 9/1/2019 7:24pm
I’m not totally against the career # system because in most cases it gives the riders a chance to choose their favorite number if they earned the opportunity to do so. With that being said, I think they should be able to pick whatever number they want, including 3 digit #’s or numbers they ran in amateurs. Plus it’s cool to see what numbers they like. Kenny running 94 is badass and Barcia 51, etc!
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9/1/2019 7:19pm
aeffertz wrote:
I think it'd get old really quick having to learn a whole field of new rider/number combos every year. No thanks.
That's a good point. I see the reasoning on both sides of the poll but yeah, having to readjust my brain to differing numbers and riders each year is a bit confusing and inconvenient. I'm curious how the guys in the booth will fare with changing numbers as well.
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9/1/2019 7:42pm
I remember learning new numbers every year. It was cool to see where guys finished overall. I loved Bailey with that number 11. Looked so cool...
I remember learning new numbers every year. It was cool to see where guys finished overall. I loved Bailey with that number 11. Looked so cool. I remember O'Mara being 5, and Glover 44 one year. People remember the rider more than the number.
Wait...I thought the Englishman that drives for Mercedes is "44"...?
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9/1/2019 8:23pm
I'm big time against career numbers. The casual fan sees 94 and thinks he's slower than 4, which isn't exactly the case.
Every other large form of Motorsport uses permanent number systems, so it’s kind of hard to say any newcomer fan would think that if they are a motorsports fan in general. NASCAR, F1, MotoGP, Superbike, etc all have permanent number systems.
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9/1/2019 8:46pm
I'm big time against career numbers. The casual fan sees 94 and thinks he's slower than 4, which isn't exactly the case.
ML512 wrote:
Every other large form of Motorsport uses permanent number systems, so it’s kind of hard to say any newcomer fan would think that if they are...
Every other large form of Motorsport uses permanent number systems, so it’s kind of hard to say any newcomer fan would think that if they are a motorsports fan in general. NASCAR, F1, MotoGP, Superbike, etc all have permanent number systems.
I understand your point, but when I say, casual fan, I'm talking about the guy or gal who knows very little about the sports and just goes to an event for entertainment. I think in motor sports, the perception is that lower numbers equal faster racers. I mean, when someone sees the big number 1, they think that guy is the best.
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9/1/2019 8:48pm
Everyone who disagrees with your opinion is a big time loser?
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9/1/2019 10:22pm
Everyone who disagrees with your opinion is a big time loser?
Big time.
Lol. I voted against you in the poll but I guess I was mainly thinking about my own viewing convenience. I do like the fact that you got enthusiastic and looked forward to the shifting numbers back in the day. I enjoyed reading that.
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9/1/2019 10:38pm Edited Date/Time 9/1/2019 10:39pm
Everyone who disagrees with your opinion is a big time loser?
Big time.
Lol. I voted against you in the poll but I guess I was mainly thinking about my own viewing convenience. I do like the fact that...
Lol. I voted against you in the poll but I guess I was mainly thinking about my own viewing convenience. I do like the fact that you got enthusiastic and looked forward to the shifting numbers back in the day. I enjoyed reading that.
I can see the argument for career numbers, I mean we all think of 14 as KW and 22 as Chad Reed. But for me David Bailey wasn't 23 or 11 (though 11 was my favorite), or 1, or number 6...he was David Bailey and I loved learning what number he earned as a pro. Same for Ward, O'Mara, Thorpe, Jobe', et al.
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Motofinne
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9/1/2019 11:10pm Edited Date/Time 9/1/2019 11:10pm
Permanent numbers is the way to go. The fact that the majority of the field gets new numbers every year is a pain in the ass, even for HC fans like us. How are casual ever going to get in to the sport when the numbers get shuffled every year?

Further improvements:
Allow riders to run 3 digits if they want, like in the GPs.
Make it easier to get and lose a permanent number.
Don't give 250 regional finishes points towards the scoring for a permanent number. Do it the day we have an actual full 17 round 250 SX series.
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9/1/2019 11:29pm Edited Date/Time 9/2/2019 3:15am
Motofinne wrote:
Permanent numbers is the way to go. The fact that the majority of the field gets new numbers every year is a pain in the ass...
Permanent numbers is the way to go. The fact that the majority of the field gets new numbers every year is a pain in the ass, even for HC fans like us. How are casual ever going to get in to the sport when the numbers get shuffled every year?

Further improvements:
Allow riders to run 3 digits if they want, like in the GPs.
Make it easier to get and lose a permanent number.
Don't give 250 regional finishes points towards the scoring for a permanent number. Do it the day we have an actual full 17 round 250 SX series.
By golly.

It wasn't that hard to figure out who was who.
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9/1/2019 11:46pm
ML512 wrote:
Every other large form of Motorsport uses permanent number systems, so it’s kind of hard to say any newcomer fan would think that if they are...
Every other large form of Motorsport uses permanent number systems, so it’s kind of hard to say any newcomer fan would think that if they are a motorsports fan in general. NASCAR, F1, MotoGP, Superbike, etc all have permanent number systems.
Why follow other sports?
For years I remember going to A1 getting a program and figuring out who was number 11, 12, 13 etc because those guys did not win races. I wish they would go back to earned numbers and 45 minute motos!
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9/2/2019 12:09am
Big time.
Lol. I voted against you in the poll but I guess I was mainly thinking about my own viewing convenience. I do like the fact that...
Lol. I voted against you in the poll but I guess I was mainly thinking about my own viewing convenience. I do like the fact that you got enthusiastic and looked forward to the shifting numbers back in the day. I enjoyed reading that.
I can see the argument for career numbers, I mean we all think of 14 as KW and 22 as Chad Reed. But for me David...
I can see the argument for career numbers, I mean we all think of 14 as KW and 22 as Chad Reed. But for me David Bailey wasn't 23 or 11 (though 11 was my favorite), or 1, or number 6...he was David Bailey and I loved learning what number he earned as a pro. Same for Ward, O'Mara, Thorpe, Jobe', et al.
Good stuff man. Like you said "people remember the rider more than the number". I believe that to be true in general.... especially over time. You desire the number system to be active and represent something currently significant (earned) and not just rider/career association with no other purpose, interest or value. At least I think thats what you mean. I can appreciate that.
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