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Nuffsaid 9/29/2019 12:07pm
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Crush wrote:
Duffy with a stellar ride. Was behind Osborne, crashed to waaaay back and got back to 11th.
struth wrote:
Both Duffy Webster have done well.
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RG1 9/29/2019 12:18pm
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Does anyone know how/why France finished ahead of the USA? They finished equal on points and USA had both a better dropped score and better last race score
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RG1 wrote:
Does anyone know how/why France finished ahead of the USA? They finished equal on points and USA had both a better dropped score and better last...
Does anyone know how/why France finished ahead of the USA? They finished equal on points and USA had both a better dropped score and better last race score
only thing I could think of was last years score was better for France?
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Ranman68 9/29/2019 12:25pm
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I just now got to watch the races. Didn't get on line until I saw the races so that I wouldn't accidentally see results. As an American, it was heartbreaking to see our chances for success go out the window on the first lap of the first moto. When I say chances for success, I'm talking about for a podium. There was no winning it. The Dutch team was just too good. There was no beating them, and the worse the conditions got....the more unbeatable they became. There was no weakness on that team. Incredible.
Belgium and GB were fierce competitors as usual, and got the job done to get the next two podium spots. Congrats to those guys and to the Dutch team. They were hands down the best and proved it beyond a doubt.
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RG1 9/29/2019 12:38pm
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RG1 wrote:
Does anyone know how/why France finished ahead of the USA? They finished equal on points and USA had both a better dropped score and better last...
Does anyone know how/why France finished ahead of the USA? They finished equal on points and USA had both a better dropped score and better last race score
500guy wrote:
only thing I could think of was last years score was better for France?
Surely not though. I always thought it went on dropped score
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Nuffsaid 9/29/2019 12:50pm
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We came third with an Enduro rider on the team 😁
Extreme Enduro...total badass, where’s Jarvis when you need him
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themrtoad 9/29/2019 12:57pm
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Great effort by all the teams. I feel sorry for Australia, NZ and USA. Travel so far and being victims to challenging conditions that made it a little like a lottery. I think they would have done better on a dry track, but the right team still won and congrats to Belgium snd GB as well. Ernée was fantastic 2005 so here’s hoping for a dry race 2020
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LewisPhillips 9/29/2019 12:57pm
9/29/2019 12:57pm Edited Date/Time 9/29/2019 12:58pm
I just posted my post-race podcasts from the race, so figured some of you would like to listen! Herlings, Vlaanderen, Coldenhoff, Cooper, Osborne, DeCoster, Prado, Sterry, Watson, Seewer and Jonass are all in here.

There's some really interesting stuff from a lot of the guys, especially DeCoster.

https://mxvice.com/118649/post-race-pods-assen-mxon
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Taddy347 9/29/2019 1:18pm
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Think about... What would be when the other guys like Cairoli, Fabvre, Desall, Lieber, Lupino, Ferrandis, Hunter, Jacobi, Vialle, Bobby, Searle, Watson, Tonus, Jasikonis... would line up to this race??? Dam I want to see it!

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DPR250R 9/29/2019 2:31pm
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LewisPhillips wrote:
I just posted my post-race podcasts from the race, so figured some of you would like to listen! Herlings, Vlaanderen, Coldenhoff, Cooper, Osborne, DeCoster, Prado, Sterry...
I just posted my post-race podcasts from the race, so figured some of you would like to listen! Herlings, Vlaanderen, Coldenhoff, Cooper, Osborne, DeCoster, Prado, Sterry, Watson, Seewer and Jonass are all in here.

There's some really interesting stuff from a lot of the guys, especially DeCoster.

https://mxvice.com/118649/post-race-pods-assen-mxon
Great interview. DeCoster didn’t hold back about anything from weather, to help to timing.
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2whlfun 9/29/2019 2:34pm
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The Enduro Mtb team USA won the trophy des nations today at least
Motocross83 9/29/2019 2:45pm
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LewisPhillips wrote:
I just posted my post-race podcasts from the race, so figured some of you would like to listen! Herlings, Vlaanderen, Coldenhoff, Cooper, Osborne, DeCoster, Prado, Sterry...
I just posted my post-race podcasts from the race, so figured some of you would like to listen! Herlings, Vlaanderen, Coldenhoff, Cooper, Osborne, DeCoster, Prado, Sterry, Watson, Seewer and Jonass are all in here.

There's some really interesting stuff from a lot of the guys, especially DeCoster.

https://mxvice.com/118649/post-race-pods-assen-mxon
Great interviews and a great interviewer! Nicely done.
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280driver 9/29/2019 3:26pm
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Fortunately, this confirms Eli and AC made the right decision by not going. Unfortunately, that race makes it less likely our top guys will want to go in the future. Shame really.
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mikie44 9/29/2019 3:41pm
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LewisPhillips wrote:
I just posted my post-race podcasts from the race, so figured some of you would like to listen! Herlings, Vlaanderen, Coldenhoff, Cooper, Osborne, DeCoster, Prado, Sterry...
I just posted my post-race podcasts from the race, so figured some of you would like to listen! Herlings, Vlaanderen, Coldenhoff, Cooper, Osborne, DeCoster, Prado, Sterry, Watson, Seewer and Jonass are all in here.

There's some really interesting stuff from a lot of the guys, especially DeCoster.

https://mxvice.com/118649/post-race-pods-assen-mxon
Great podcast, thank you for sharing! Worth a listen for sure.

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dkg 9/29/2019 3:42pm
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Good interviews. Listening to Osborne say there will be criticism about how Team USA approached the event. Brings to mind the quote “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”.
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JB 19 9/29/2019 3:44pm
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Let's just be honest about it.... the Americans just don't have the bike skills that they used to. At one time it didn't matter if it was hard pack in France, Dutch sand or foot peg deep mud, they knew what to do.

In 1987 three guys from Southern California won a mud fest. Three guys that weren't even supposed to know what to do in mud. Now every condition is supposedly something that Americans are unfamiliar with.
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280driver wrote:
Fortunately, this confirms Eli and AC made the right decision by not going. Unfortunately, that race makes it less likely our top guys will want to...
Fortunately, this confirms Eli and AC made the right decision by not going. Unfortunately, that race makes it less likely our top guys will want to go in the future. Shame really.
I’m not so sure about that... I think there’s a chance that some riders and manufacturers simply didn’t want to go “there”.

It’s not far fetched to think that if Eli and Adam were to be our best riders at the end of next season and they both wanted to go and openly expressed that, Kawi might be more flexible for Ernee.
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aeffertz 9/29/2019 3:54pm
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Was just curious to check the forum engagement between a few events.

2019 A1 Bench Racing Thread - 21 Pages

2019 Hangtown Bench Racing Thread - 13 Pages

2019 MXoN Practice/Qualifying Discussion - 25 pages

2018 MXoN Race Discussion - 34 pages

I think it's safe to say this race is still one of the biggest events in motocross.
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Excaliburbmx 9/29/2019 3:56pm
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280driver wrote:
Fortunately, this confirms Eli and AC made the right decision by not going. Unfortunately, that race makes it less likely our top guys will want to...
Fortunately, this confirms Eli and AC made the right decision by not going. Unfortunately, that race makes it less likely our top guys will want to go in the future. Shame really.
Press516 wrote:
I’m not so sure about that... I think there’s a chance that some riders and manufacturers simply didn’t want to go “there”. It’s not far fetched...
I’m not so sure about that... I think there’s a chance that some riders and manufacturers simply didn’t want to go “there”.

It’s not far fetched to think that if Eli and Adam were to be our best riders at the end of next season and they both wanted to go and openly expressed that, Kawi might be more flexible for Ernee.
Kawasaki made the best decision for what their goals are and what they are trying to achieve.
Eli has a great shot at the sx title and with focus and training hopefully he gets it this year.

The results if they went to the mxon could have been the same with the weather and in the end not worth the risk of injury.

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motomike137 9/29/2019 4:09pm
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JB 19 wrote:
Let's just be honest about it.... the Americans just don't have the bike skills that they used to. At one time it didn't matter if it...
Let's just be honest about it.... the Americans just don't have the bike skills that they used to. At one time it didn't matter if it was hard pack in France, Dutch sand or foot peg deep mud, they knew what to do.

In 1987 three guys from Southern California won a mud fest. Three guys that weren't even supposed to know what to do in mud. Now every condition is supposedly something that Americans are unfamiliar with.
I hate to admit it but there is a kernel of truth in your statement. The days of America having the best motocross riders in the world with the intestinal fortitude to get it done in this race seem to be in the rear view mirror.
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Dimblewambie 9/29/2019 4:30pm
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JB 19 wrote:
Let's just be honest about it.... the Americans just don't have the bike skills that they used to. At one time it didn't matter if it...
Let's just be honest about it.... the Americans just don't have the bike skills that they used to. At one time it didn't matter if it was hard pack in France, Dutch sand or foot peg deep mud, they knew what to do.

In 1987 three guys from Southern California won a mud fest. Three guys that weren't even supposed to know what to do in mud. Now every condition is supposedly something that Americans are unfamiliar with.
I just can’t subscribe to the thinking that the MXGP riders are way more talented and better riders across the board. In 2015 and 2016 the US had a real shot at winning, losing with a score of 16 in France. Not much has changed as far as schedules go for the US riders, nor the GP guys for that matter so I don’t believe there really is a giant gap in skills/talent/ability what have you. I think the last 3 years it comes down to the US teams not performing to their full potential due to injuries, poor prep and bad luck.

If there was a full 12/17/19 race series of des nations events, I think you would see pretty steady results with USA, France, Nederlands, Belgium, GB and Italy battling for podium positions.
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St Ann More 9/29/2019 4:37pm
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aeffertz wrote:
Was just curious to check the forum engagement between a few events. [url=https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Anaheim-1-SX-Night-Show-Bench-Racing,1351921?exclusive_forum_user=false&page=1]2019 A1 Bench Racing Thread[/url] - 21 Pages [url=https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Hangtown-MX-Main-Races-Bench-Racing,1359875]2019 Hangtown Bench Racing Thread[/url] -...
Was just curious to check the forum engagement between a few events.

2019 A1 Bench Racing Thread - 21 Pages

2019 Hangtown Bench Racing Thread - 13 Pages

2019 MXoN Practice/Qualifying Discussion - 25 pages

2018 MXoN Race Discussion - 34 pages

I think it's safe to say this race is still one of the biggest events in motocross.
Yep, no doubt.
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St Ann More 9/29/2019 4:39pm
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Beers flowing
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aeffertz wrote:
Was just curious to check the forum engagement between a few events. [url=https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Anaheim-1-SX-Night-Show-Bench-Racing,1351921?exclusive_forum_user=false&page=1]2019 A1 Bench Racing Thread[/url] - 21 Pages [url=https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Hangtown-MX-Main-Races-Bench-Racing,1359875]2019 Hangtown Bench Racing Thread[/url] -...
Was just curious to check the forum engagement between a few events.

2019 A1 Bench Racing Thread - 21 Pages

2019 Hangtown Bench Racing Thread - 13 Pages

2019 MXoN Practice/Qualifying Discussion - 25 pages

2018 MXoN Race Discussion - 34 pages

I think it's safe to say this race is still one of the biggest events in motocross.
I also looked that up earlier today just for the hell of it.

Also looked up:

2018 Motocross of Nations - Racing Discussion Sunday - 30 pages

2018 Monster Energy Cup Night Show Discussion - 11 pages

2018 Red Bull Straight Rhythm Race Discussion - 13 pages

2018 Red Bull Straight Rhythm - 17 pages

So a combined 30 pages for Red Bull Straight Rhythm.

51 pages and counting for the 2019 MXdN race.

2018 MXdN - 64 pages
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aeffertz 9/29/2019 4:45pm
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St Ann More wrote:
Beers flowing [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/09/29/376606/s1200_Screenshot_20190930_003457_Instagram.jpg[/img]
Beers flowing
YES! Laughing

I bet that’s one hell of a party. Jason seems to be enjoying himself!
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St Ann More 9/29/2019 4:48pm
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Beers flowing [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/09/29/376606/s1200_Screenshot_20190930_003457_Instagram.jpg[/img]
Beers flowing
aeffertz wrote:
YES! Laughing

I bet that’s one hell of a party. Jason seems to be enjoying himself!
So does Tom Laughing

https://instagram.com/stories/elhombre21/2143897696960565844?utm_source…
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Falcon 9/29/2019 5:01pm
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Got to hand it to Coldenhoff; the dude delivers when it counts! Congratulations on your historic win, NDL.
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Dimblewambie wrote:
I just can’t subscribe to the thinking that the MXGP riders are way more talented and better riders across the board. In 2015 and 2016 the...
I just can’t subscribe to the thinking that the MXGP riders are way more talented and better riders across the board. In 2015 and 2016 the US had a real shot at winning, losing with a score of 16 in France. Not much has changed as far as schedules go for the US riders, nor the GP guys for that matter so I don’t believe there really is a giant gap in skills/talent/ability what have you. I think the last 3 years it comes down to the US teams not performing to their full potential due to injuries, poor prep and bad luck.

If there was a full 12/17/19 race series of des nations events, I think you would see pretty steady results with USA, France, Nederlands, Belgium, GB and Italy battling for podium positions.
First of all, the US was a podium contender this weekend, i think 1 top 15 by Cooper would have gotten them on the podium.

Having said that, they havnt won in 8 years. You guys used to win 8 years in a row. The reason is you used to have the best rider in the world on your team and you simply are lacking them this decade.

I love the effort of these guys, but this team has no Carmichael, Johnson, McCrath, Stewart, Stanton, Villo, Dungey etc.
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Ranman68 9/29/2019 7:40pm
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Dimblewambie wrote:
I just can’t subscribe to the thinking that the MXGP riders are way more talented and better riders across the board. In 2015 and 2016 the...
I just can’t subscribe to the thinking that the MXGP riders are way more talented and better riders across the board. In 2015 and 2016 the US had a real shot at winning, losing with a score of 16 in France. Not much has changed as far as schedules go for the US riders, nor the GP guys for that matter so I don’t believe there really is a giant gap in skills/talent/ability what have you. I think the last 3 years it comes down to the US teams not performing to their full potential due to injuries, poor prep and bad luck.

If there was a full 12/17/19 race series of des nations events, I think you would see pretty steady results with USA, France, Nederlands, Belgium, GB and Italy battling for podium positions.
roninho wrote:
First of all, the US was a podium contender this weekend, i think 1 top 15 by Cooper would have gotten them on the podium. Having...
First of all, the US was a podium contender this weekend, i think 1 top 15 by Cooper would have gotten them on the podium.

Having said that, they havnt won in 8 years. You guys used to win 8 years in a row. The reason is you used to have the best rider in the world on your team and you simply are lacking them this decade.

I love the effort of these guys, but this team has no Carmichael, Johnson, McCrath, Stewart, Stanton, Villo, Dungey etc.
I agree with all of that to a degree, but we still had Dungey when mxon was in Lommel 2012 and in latvia 2014. Dungey didn't do anything great in either of those. On loose, soft surfaces, Euros just perform better. They ride it a lot more. That's just how it is. Additionally, Europe has had a rise in elite talent in recent years with guys like Herlings and Prado that push the other euros to higher levels.
The elite talent pool has evened out, and in recent mxon events the weather/surface has just not been good for Americans. Not that it was intentional. Mother nature just made it that way. There was a time when we had the super talents that could overcome it, but now Europe has them too. On a dry track it can go either way I believe, but if it rains.....no. We just aren't as good when it gets mushy. That's just the way it is.
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shaffstall721 9/29/2019 8:05pm
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Dimblewambie wrote:
I just can’t subscribe to the thinking that the MXGP riders are way more talented and better riders across the board. In 2015 and 2016 the...
I just can’t subscribe to the thinking that the MXGP riders are way more talented and better riders across the board. In 2015 and 2016 the US had a real shot at winning, losing with a score of 16 in France. Not much has changed as far as schedules go for the US riders, nor the GP guys for that matter so I don’t believe there really is a giant gap in skills/talent/ability what have you. I think the last 3 years it comes down to the US teams not performing to their full potential due to injuries, poor prep and bad luck.

If there was a full 12/17/19 race series of des nations events, I think you would see pretty steady results with USA, France, Nederlands, Belgium, GB and Italy battling for podium positions.
roninho wrote:
First of all, the US was a podium contender this weekend, i think 1 top 15 by Cooper would have gotten them on the podium. Having...
First of all, the US was a podium contender this weekend, i think 1 top 15 by Cooper would have gotten them on the podium.

Having said that, they havnt won in 8 years. You guys used to win 8 years in a row. The reason is you used to have the best rider in the world on your team and you simply are lacking them this decade.

I love the effort of these guys, but this team has no Carmichael, Johnson, McCrath, Stewart, Stanton, Villo, Dungey etc.
Ranman68 wrote:
I agree with all of that to a degree, but we still had Dungey when mxon was in Lommel 2012 and in latvia 2014. Dungey didn't...
I agree with all of that to a degree, but we still had Dungey when mxon was in Lommel 2012 and in latvia 2014. Dungey didn't do anything great in either of those. On loose, soft surfaces, Euros just perform better. They ride it a lot more. That's just how it is. Additionally, Europe has had a rise in elite talent in recent years with guys like Herlings and Prado that push the other euros to higher levels.
The elite talent pool has evened out, and in recent mxon events the weather/surface has just not been good for Americans. Not that it was intentional. Mother nature just made it that way. There was a time when we had the super talents that could overcome it, but now Europe has them too. On a dry track it can go either way I believe, but if it rains.....no. We just aren't as good when it gets mushy. That's just the way it is.
I agree with this, if Ernee France is dry, I would put money on team USA. If it rains, I wouldn’t bet on them for a podium. These guys in Europe practice in this crap all winter, while our guys are in SoCal on sx tracks. It is what it is.

Waiting a whole year for this race for it to be a kidder 3 years in a row kinda sucks.

Oh, Gajser was very impressive today!!!

Hope he comes into next season healthy.
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