MR. Suzuki eats crow?

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2/8/2016 7:35pm Edited Date/Time 2/10/2016 11:01pm
I have to think that not signing Roger for a multi year deal was a bit short sighted. when Roger left and went to KTM it was a healthy lose to them. KTM is killing them, bikes are stale and there future looks sorry to me. Am I wrong? it is just how I see it. what do you think..
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2/8/2016 7:37pm
I remember my first beer
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2/8/2016 7:40pm
Didnt Suzuki go through a bankruptcy recently? They might be more concerned with keeping the company alive than updating a bike that 0% of the people who buy them can actually ride at the limit as is.
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2/8/2016 7:41pm
You do realize a Suzuki won Saturday night?
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motomx88 wrote:
You do realize a Suzuki won Saturday night?
That may have been the best response ever! Well played sir, well played. Hall of fame right there!

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2/8/2016 7:46pm
motomx88 wrote:
You do realize a Suzuki won Saturday night?
for sure, but if you had your choice would you sign with roger ktm or Suzuki with webb. roc earned it and not saying he didn't, but looking at the track record after rogers departure its not the same place.
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I think Suzuki and Kawi are the most boring brands around, there's no innovation. But they do work, some would say don't fix what ain't broke. But James, kenny, townley all look like they are riding RC's last championship winning RM.
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2/9/2016 12:38am
So Decoster is the sole reason for KTM's success now is he?
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I like Suzuki and that bike is still good but man they are paying a lot of money to some very good riders for a few years now and i would be expecting a lot more.
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Second, fourth, and seventh in the outdoor points. Only one other brand had three bikes in the top ten. Yamahas finished in 3rd, 8th and 9th.
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DeCoster has access to the technology of all the Red Bull racing teams, F1, Rally, etc, and I believe he's not afraid to incorporate the ones that make sense on Dungy's bike. If he's not using fly by wire (or something similar), in combination with rider torque request maps, engine torque maps, and various rider throttle maps to smooth out and make predicable, tractable power, I'd be very surprised. This tuning would be augmented by gear selection sensors, accelerometers and gyros which would also tailor the power delivery based on mapping algorithms comparing theoretical values for acceleration as a function of vehicle attitude vs throttle position vs RPM vs gear ratio to actual accelerations in real time. It's not direct traction control but it's as close as the rules allow.

Frankly, all the teams should be at this stage in development, it's not revolutionary. In five years this kind of engine management for MX bikes will be on the showroom floor. However, it takes people who understand the technology involved and insightful team leadership to make it happen today.

2/9/2016 7:20am
Aye~

Some of the shit you guys come up with!

Explain to me how the rmz's are stale? And why Suzuki's future looks stale? Please explain?

Keep in mind KTM was on the road to success no matter Roger's signing.

Put Dungey on any bike and he's gonna win!

Every bike for the 2016 class is pretty darn good this year! Probably the closest ive ever seen in this sport, Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to avoid posting their bench racer theories about reviews they have read!

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2/9/2016 7:25am Edited Date/Time 2/9/2016 7:27am
Camp332 wrote:
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Delete... Serves me right for not being up on my internet slang.
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2/9/2016 7:28am
RG1 wrote:
So Decoster is the sole reason for KTM's success now is he?
And Suzuki's. And Honda's. Just a little difficult to argue with Mr Decoster's record.
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motomx88 wrote:
You do realize a Suzuki won Saturday night?
mark_swart wrote:
That may have been the best response ever! Well played sir, well played. Hall of fame right there!
That's good stuff right there!
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2/9/2016 7:33am
RG1 wrote:
So Decoster is the sole reason for KTM's success now is he?
Not solely, but I believe he brings success with him. Dungey followed him yes?
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MR SUSUKI IS A REAL GUY??? I DIND NO THIS I ALWAYS THINK THE BOSS WAS MIKE WEBB
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2/9/2016 7:51am
Dear God if Suzuki doesn't update the plastics on the RMZ next year we're all in for it. Let's continue to ignore the fact that the 2016 shares little in common with the 2008 besides the plastic.

It could lose a few pounds and gain a little HP, I will admit.
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They ran out of money... You think anyone let's decoster go willingly? No
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2/9/2016 9:02am
Roger is not the reason KTM has success, it just a piece of it.

Not to take anything away from Roger, he is great at his job, but if you take away Ricky and Dungey and his results are average at best.
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1) Yes, there is a "Mr. Suzuki." Actually, there are several who sit on the board and in key positions of Suzuki Motor Corp. They are the family of the original Michio Suzuki, who started the company in 1909.

2) Motocross is such a minuscule part of the overall business that it really doesn't matter if another brand has better racing results. Taken as a yearly P/L statement, every factory loses money on racing. They are not doing this to sell RM-Zs or SX-Fs. They are doing this to solidify the brand and get new buyers, who will eventually (hopefully) graduate to bigger, more profitable models. (In KTM's case, I'm guessing that brand will have a much bigger product offering in 10 years - street bikes, more dual sports and if that whole X-bow thing is any indication, maybe a small car.) As long as there are kids who look up to Stewart, Roczen, Dungey, etc., the brands have achieved success no matter what the actual results are.



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2/9/2016 9:21am
UpTiTe wrote:
Roger is not the reason KTM has success, it just a piece of it. Not to take anything away from Roger, he is great at his...
Roger is not the reason KTM has success, it just a piece of it.

Not to take anything away from Roger, he is great at his job, but if you take away Ricky and Dungey and his results are average at best.
Roger was winning with other brands including Honda long before his last two stints. Suzuki has more problems than losing Roger. He does make success more likely, but so does the product, and Suzuki has not done anything to make people want one. It doesnt matter that Kenny and James can go fast on a bike you cannot buy.

Sure there are brand loyal buyers out there, but even they are restless for something to make them want to dish out their hard earned money. To be a leader you have to release a product that will steal the brand loyal buyers, which is what KTM has done, and Yamaha is stealing the rest of the undecideds. Suzuki is trying to be Honda, but it aint no Honda!
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bad juju wrote:
for sure, but if you had your choice would you sign with roger ktm or Suzuki with webb. roc earned it and not saying he didn't...
for sure, but if you had your choice would you sign with roger ktm or Suzuki with webb. roc earned it and not saying he didn't, but looking at the track record after rogers departure its not the same place.
I'd sign with Suzuki all day.
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fox1nz wrote:
I think Suzuki and Kawi are the most boring brands around, there's no innovation. But they do work, some would say don't fix what ain't broke...
I think Suzuki and Kawi are the most boring brands around, there's no innovation. But they do work, some would say don't fix what ain't broke. But James, kenny, townley all look like they are riding RC's last championship winning RM.
On 450s, as is being discussed, here...
The Kawi is the "Freshest & Newest" Design from Japan.
The Yamaha is easily the most innovative.
So, where does that leave Honda?
Just in front of Suzuki for who has the oldest tech.

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