Goggle Lane in MXGP- From Racerhead

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Edited Date/Time 5/22/2019 5:35am
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"We mentioned the addition of a Goggle Lane in MXGP that began at the series opener in Argentina. It's meant to allow riders who throw off their goggles a quick and easy place to get a new set. The stops are not mandatory this year, but they likely will be next year. In a press release that went out earlier this week, Youthstream's Giuseppe Luongo explained the thinking behind the new Goggle Lane:

"Possibly some may not understand the importance of a goggle-lane for riders’ safety, however this means a lot because in bad weather conditions it’s common for riders (more than 50%) to remove their goggles because they are covered in mud and the rider can’t see anymore. If the riders wanted to change their goggles by entering into the Pit Lane they could lose more than 1 minute so often they continue the race without goggles putting their eyes in serious danger. Therefore, the goggle-lane has been created close to Pit-Lane, which is a dedicated area to be used only for changing goggles, and we have calculated that riders stopping in this area will lose a maximum of 10 seconds. This is very beneficial for the rider: 1st for his health and also for the results.”

The one counterpoint to this is whether or not a rider will continue racing when his goggles are covered with mud because they don't want to have to pull in, and that might create a different hazard for the rider: riding without being able to see clearly. Either way, it's worth watching to see if will have any effect on races, particularly muddy ones."
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Should've made this a poll! lol

Who thinks this should be adopted by MX Sports this Summer?


How much gear is a rider allowed to take off during a race? Can you start without goggles?
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i been thinking about this for years
one of the best decisions FIM has ever made
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Just to make sure I have this right:

-MXGP now has a goggle lane so that riders can stop to get expedited goggle replacement.
-it is not required for riders to stop if they choose to toss their goggles.
-it may be required next year, or in the coming years, to stop and replace goggles if the rider chooses to toss the pair they started with.

That just makes too much damn sense. Not much controversy here but I hope we start doing this in MX.
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USA wrote:
Just to make sure I have this right: -MXGP now has a goggle lane so that riders can stop to get expedited goggle replacement. -it is...
Just to make sure I have this right:

-MXGP now has a goggle lane so that riders can stop to get expedited goggle replacement.
-it is not required for riders to stop if they choose to toss their goggles.
-it may be required next year, or in the coming years, to stop and replace goggles if the rider chooses to toss the pair they started with.

That just makes too much damn sense. Not much controversy here but I hope we start doing this in MX.
It really makes way too much sense. Although weve been riding without goggles during mud races for decades, I’ve always thought it was kinda dangerous. It only takes one rock to the eye kicked up from a 450 and then you are blind. I’m glad this is being implemented.
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USA wrote:
Just to make sure I have this right: -MXGP now has a goggle lane so that riders can stop to get expedited goggle replacement. -it is...
Just to make sure I have this right:

-MXGP now has a goggle lane so that riders can stop to get expedited goggle replacement.
-it is not required for riders to stop if they choose to toss their goggles.
-it may be required next year, or in the coming years, to stop and replace goggles if the rider chooses to toss the pair they started with.

That just makes too much damn sense. Not much controversy here but I hope we start doing this in MX.
It really makes way too much sense. Although weve been riding without goggles during mud races for decades, I’ve always thought it was kinda dangerous. It...
It really makes way too much sense. Although weve been riding without goggles during mud races for decades, I’ve always thought it was kinda dangerous. It only takes one rock to the eye kicked up from a 450 and then you are blind. I’m glad this is being implemented.
We all saw what happened at the last MXoN
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List some past actual problems. Pro races only. Ama, fim. Thanks! Just curious.
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I think it is a good idea.
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Marc de Reuver talked about this he said he is almost 100% sure its just for insurance if someone gets hurt they can say well there was the goggle lane and u didn't use it so don't blame us. Like round 1 they had to use the goggle lane and could not ride more then 1 lap without goggles. By round 2 they could do the goggle change everywhere and they also are allowed to ride without goggles but the weirdest thing only mx2 and mxgp can use the goggle lane other classes are not allowed to use it
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4/21/2019 2:09am Edited Date/Time 4/21/2019 2:12am
CivBars wrote:
DC says "We mentioned the addition of a Goggle Lane in MXGP that began at the series opener in Argentina. It's meant to allow riders who...
DC says

"We mentioned the addition of a Goggle Lane in MXGP that began at the series opener in Argentina. It's meant to allow riders who throw off their goggles a quick and easy place to get a new set. The stops are not mandatory this year, but they likely will be next year. In a press release that went out earlier this week, Youthstream's Giuseppe Luongo explained the thinking behind the new Goggle Lane:

"Possibly some may not understand the importance of a goggle-lane for riders’ safety, however this means a lot because in bad weather conditions it’s common for riders (more than 50%) to remove their goggles because they are covered in mud and the rider can’t see anymore. If the riders wanted to change their goggles by entering into the Pit Lane they could lose more than 1 minute so often they continue the race without goggles putting their eyes in serious danger. Therefore, the goggle-lane has been created close to Pit-Lane, which is a dedicated area to be used only for changing goggles, and we have calculated that riders stopping in this area will lose a maximum of 10 seconds. This is very beneficial for the rider: 1st for his health and also for the results.”

The one counterpoint to this is whether or not a rider will continue racing when his goggles are covered with mud because they don't want to have to pull in, and that might create a different hazard for the rider: riding without being able to see clearly. Either way, it's worth watching to see if will have any effect on races, particularly muddy ones."
I agree with the concept of a Goggle lane, especially in a mud race or wet conditions.

As sure as hell there will be riders out there who will continue racing without pulling in for a fresh set. These guys will try to wipe their lenses clean as the moto goes on.

So in fairness to all maybe consider a mandatory ride through for for as fresh set of Goggles, that could mix things up a little, adds another dimension to race stratergy and is fair to all.

Kind of a joker lane deal but for better reasons...eyeball protection.

Formula on strategies will come into play...the under cut over cut.

Any thoughts?
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4/21/2019 2:29am
so when its mandatory is every rider gonna have a goggle guy there with their specific goggle ? or how do the rider get the right goggles if its 40 goggles hanging there ? or its going to be 20 goggle guys there ? i assume one goggle guy have many riders.
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4/21/2019 5:32am
so when its mandatory is every rider gonna have a goggle guy there with their specific goggle ? or how do the rider get the right...
so when its mandatory is every rider gonna have a goggle guy there with their specific goggle ? or how do the rider get the right goggles if its 40 goggles hanging there ? or its going to be 20 goggle guys there ? i assume one goggle guy have many riders.
yes goggle guy or mechanic will be there.
When you lose goggles it will be mandatory to come in to the goggle lane within 2 laps
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Been pushing this for YEARS.... About time... Simple, effective way to ensure all riders go home with both eyes fully intact....
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4/21/2019 6:56am
When is the last time a pro or amateur went blind from not wearing goggles during a race?
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Boot cleaning guy just threw his wine cooler down and ripped off his blouse!

This isn't a bad idea but poor execution. When will there be a tire change lane? My point is fix the pit lane and there won't be a problem.

Pit lane fix ... 12ft wide in front of pit structure, 1 person in lane to signal rider(pit board), 2 persons in lane during direct rider interactions. Rider must be in structure side of lane(no clogging lane) during interactions. Yeah it's a lot to "require" but it's would be better for everyone. Especially tv coverage.
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Great idea right up to the point they make it mandatory to pull into the goggle lane if you take off your goggle. What if there is a close race going on and rider B has no choice but to discard his goggles?
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Great idea right up to the point they make it mandatory to pull into the goggle lane if you take off your goggle. What if there...
Great idea right up to the point they make it mandatory to pull into the goggle lane if you take off your goggle. What if there is a close race going on and rider B has no choice but to discard his goggles?
That's true. I'd hate to miss out on the chance to see a good race. Rider B will have to learn from Rider A and figure out what they did to make sure that their goggles were ok for the whole race.
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CivBars wrote:
DC says "We mentioned the addition of a Goggle Lane in MXGP that began at the series opener in Argentina. It's meant to allow riders who...
DC says

"We mentioned the addition of a Goggle Lane in MXGP that began at the series opener in Argentina. It's meant to allow riders who throw off their goggles a quick and easy place to get a new set. The stops are not mandatory this year, but they likely will be next year. In a press release that went out earlier this week, Youthstream's Giuseppe Luongo explained the thinking behind the new Goggle Lane:

"Possibly some may not understand the importance of a goggle-lane for riders’ safety, however this means a lot because in bad weather conditions it’s common for riders (more than 50%) to remove their goggles because they are covered in mud and the rider can’t see anymore. If the riders wanted to change their goggles by entering into the Pit Lane they could lose more than 1 minute so often they continue the race without goggles putting their eyes in serious danger. Therefore, the goggle-lane has been created close to Pit-Lane, which is a dedicated area to be used only for changing goggles, and we have calculated that riders stopping in this area will lose a maximum of 10 seconds. This is very beneficial for the rider: 1st for his health and also for the results.”

The one counterpoint to this is whether or not a rider will continue racing when his goggles are covered with mud because they don't want to have to pull in, and that might create a different hazard for the rider: riding without being able to see clearly. Either way, it's worth watching to see if will have any effect on races, particularly muddy ones."
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I agree with the concept of a Goggle lane, especially in a mud race or wet conditions. As sure as hell there will be riders out...
I agree with the concept of a Goggle lane, especially in a mud race or wet conditions.

As sure as hell there will be riders out there who will continue racing without pulling in for a fresh set. These guys will try to wipe their lenses clean as the moto goes on.

So in fairness to all maybe consider a mandatory ride through for for as fresh set of Goggles, that could mix things up a little, adds another dimension to race stratergy and is fair to all.

Kind of a joker lane deal but for better reasons...eyeball protection.

Formula on strategies will come into play...the under cut over cut.

Any thoughts?
Mandatory pit where after x amount of riders have ditched goggles?

Mandatory double goggle start for mudders?

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loftyair wrote:
List some past actual problems. Pro races only. Ama, fim. Thanks! Just curious.
Aside from what's been mentioned, I know some riders were having problems with their eyes after the San Diego SX this year.


There are more I'm sure.


It's not necessarily about catching a boulder from a factory 450 and going blind.

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When is the last time a pro or amateur went blind from not wearing goggles during a race?
Vlaanderen was close at the MXDN at Red Bud last year. Thats why this whole thing started
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Makes sense to me- hopefully it will work out in practice. It probably will once people get used to it.
Goggles are the only required safety gear you are allowed to take off during the race, except for maybe gloves- can't do that with a helmet, for instance.
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4/21/2019 2:38pm
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We all saw what happened at the last MXoN

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When is the last time a pro or amateur went blind from not wearing goggles during a race?
Sure let's wait until someone goes bling then implement it, sounds like a great idea.????
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So when it becomes a rule to come in when you don't have goggles on anymore, will there be a goggle flag?

Does the rider get black flagged and DQ'd for the moto? Docked time or positions? Maybe for every lap you run without goggles you lose a few seconds or points? Spit balling. I don't think there is a solution that will make everyone happy but I'm glad they're putting more of an emphasis on rider safety.

I don't think pulling in for a fresh set of goggles means you have any less heart either. In fact, it probably means you have a lot of brains. This discussion will be divided by ego and entitlement vs safety. The ego of tough guy old timers that took roost from 500 two strokes and they didn't need a goggle lane. And the entitlement of fans who demand the riders put on a good show.
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So after a rider has rode around for a lap or two getting roosted and has sand all over their eyebrows and nose they're going to put on goggles? Am I the only one who thinks this is a dumb idea.... unless they're gonna take their helmet off and hose their faces down with a garden hose I don't see it.

What's the first thing they do on the gate with their goggles... shake them out to make sure no dust or dirt inside.
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So after a rider has rode around for a lap or two getting roosted and has sand all over their eyebrows and nose they're going to...
So after a rider has rode around for a lap or two getting roosted and has sand all over their eyebrows and nose they're going to put on goggles? Am I the only one who thinks this is a dumb idea.... unless they're gonna take their helmet off and hose their faces down with a garden hose I don't see it.

What's the first thing they do on the gate with their goggles... shake them out to make sure no dust or dirt inside.
That's valid! The point of the goggle lane is to promote riders to come in before they toss the goggles? I know that making a goggle stop faster than a stop through pit lane is part of the whole goggle lane idea. If a rider knows they can make a shorter stop for goggles now with a lane, they might keep the trashed goggles on for a minute extra and will avoid some of the debris that would end up on their face and inside the new set of goggles.
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4/21/2019 6:02pm Edited Date/Time 4/21/2019 6:04pm
Is this a serious question? The us nationals cant afford a holeshot structure and uses a $3 can of paint instead.. The mechanics/team structure are 10yr old ez ups.

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4/21/2019 8:18pm
Helda wrote:
Sure let's wait until someone goes bling then implement it, sounds like a great idea.????
Guys have been racing without goggles since, quite literally, forever. There was one incident in recent years. All of the sudden it's a major issue and needs to be addressed.

Now guys will just avoid tossing their goggles all together rather than lose 10 seconds. It's fucking stupid and pointless.
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Helda wrote:
Sure let's wait until someone goes bling then implement it, sounds like a great idea.????
Guys have been racing without goggles since, quite literally, forever. There was one incident in recent years. All of the sudden it's a major issue and...
Guys have been racing without goggles since, quite literally, forever. There was one incident in recent years. All of the sudden it's a major issue and needs to be addressed.

Now guys will just avoid tossing their goggles all together rather than lose 10 seconds. It's fucking stupid and pointless.
I don't know of anytime anyone has started a race with no goggles. Taking them off should be a very last resort. If this isn't implemented for professionals, I'd at least like to see an effort made for amateurs. Maybe it tests well and it carries over?

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