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Edited Date/Time 2/23/2019 7:24am
Wanted to run this by the Pro Vitalmx all knowing members.
Heard a rumor today that Cooper Webb broke the production bike rule.
Used a 350 frame and a 450 motor.
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craigathan404 2/20/2019 5:08pm
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Who is cooper web? I’ve heard of Cooper Webb..
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downard254 2/20/2019 5:10pm
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I seriously doubt that. No way KTM is stupid enough to do that.
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ML512 2/20/2019 5:11pm
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The 450 engine won’t bolt into the 350 chassis. The frame Cooper uses is modified but it’s within the rules.
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zehn 2/20/2019 5:13pm
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ML512 wrote:
The 450 engine won’t bolt into the 350 chassis. The frame Cooper uses is modified but it’s within the rules.
In what way is it modified?
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fullysicmate 2/20/2019 5:13pm
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If that was true it would have been picked up already.
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ML512 2/20/2019 5:14pm
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ML512 wrote:
The 450 engine won’t bolt into the 350 chassis. The frame Cooper uses is modified but it’s within the rules.
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In what way is it modified?
Crossmember added in the front of the cradle and I’ve heard something else on the frame might be braced. Adding material is within the rules, taking it away isn’t though.
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ML512 2/20/2019 5:17pm
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ML512 wrote:
The 450 engine won’t bolt into the 350 chassis. The frame Cooper uses is modified but it’s within the rules.
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In what way is it modified?
ML512 wrote:
Crossmember added in the front of the cradle and I’ve heard something else on the frame might be braced. Adding material is within the rules, taking...
Crossmember added in the front of the cradle and I’ve heard something else on the frame might be braced. Adding material is within the rules, taking it away isn’t though.
Example from Baggett’s frame.
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drt410 2/20/2019 5:20pm
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Also... why would Webb use an engine that has 0 factory equipment experience. The 250,450 have years and years of factory race bike r&d, the 350 has none. That wouldnt be a good idea as theyd be starting from square one. Also isnt it legal anyways to use less displacement or do you mean using an engine in a bike it doesnt come in? Why if the 350 is legal wouldnt he just use one?
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zehn 2/20/2019 5:20pm
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ML512 wrote:
Crossmember added in the front of the cradle and I’ve heard something else on the frame might be braced. Adding material is within the rules, taking...
Crossmember added in the front of the cradle and I’ve heard something else on the frame might be braced. Adding material is within the rules, taking it away isn’t though.
Thanks for the reply
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S.A. Weave 2/20/2019 5:22pm
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Is Webb going to be stripped of the win and fined or anything?
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ML512 2/20/2019 5:23pm
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drt410 wrote:
Also... why would Webb use an engine that has 0 factory equipment experience. The 250,450 have years and years of factory race bike r&d, the 350...
Also... why would Webb use an engine that has 0 factory equipment experience. The 250,450 have years and years of factory race bike r&d, the 350 has none. That wouldnt be a good idea as theyd be starting from square one. Also isnt it legal anyways to use less displacement or do you mean using an engine in a bike it doesnt come in? Why if the 350 is legal wouldnt he just use one?
That’s not what the OP was referring to. He was stating they were using the 450 engine in the 250/350 frame.
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drt410 2/20/2019 5:23pm
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S.A. Weave wrote:
Is Webb going to be stripped of the win and fined or anything?
Its not true...
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ML512 2/20/2019 5:25pm
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S.A. Weave wrote:
Is Webb going to be stripped of the win and fined or anything?
I don’t believe the supposed rumor is true. It honestly doesn’t make sense.
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S.A. Weave 2/20/2019 5:28pm
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If they did break a rule on raceday can someone protest or something 5 days later?
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Fog 25 2/20/2019 5:34pm
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craigathan404 wrote:
Who is cooper web? I’ve heard of Cooper Webb..
Thanks fix it. Got arm pump on the B.
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AJ565 2/20/2019 5:40pm
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Isn’t the geometry of the 450 and the 350 the same anyways?

On the gusset under the header, what did that help with the frame? Did it just make it stiffer or did it help with the twisting of the front end giving it a better feel and front bite?
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zehn 2/20/2019 5:42pm
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AJ565 wrote:
Isn’t the geometry of the 450 and the 350 the same anyways? On the gusset under the header, what did that help with the frame? Did...
Isn’t the geometry of the 450 and the 350 the same anyways?

On the gusset under the header, what did that help with the frame? Did it just make it stiffer or did it help with the twisting of the front end giving it a better feel and front bite?
My guess would be increased torsional rigidity.
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theprizefighter 2/20/2019 5:43pm
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Fog 25 wrote:
Wanted to run this by the Pro Vitalmx all knowing members. Heard a rumor today that Cooper Webb broke the production bike rule. Used a 350...
Wanted to run this by the Pro Vitalmx all knowing members.
Heard a rumor today that Cooper Webb broke the production bike rule.
Used a 350 frame and a 450 motor.
Where did you hear this rumor?
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Fog 25 2/20/2019 5:43pm
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drt410 wrote:
Also... why would Webb use an engine that has 0 factory equipment experience. The 250,450 have years and years of factory race bike r&d, the 350...
Also... why would Webb use an engine that has 0 factory equipment experience. The 250,450 have years and years of factory race bike r&d, the 350 has none. That wouldnt be a good idea as theyd be starting from square one. Also isnt it legal anyways to use less displacement or do you mean using an engine in a bike it doesnt come in? Why if the 350 is legal wouldnt he just use one?
ML512 wrote:
That’s not what the OP was referring to. He was stating they were using the 450 engine in the 250/350 frame.
Correct that would be in violation of the production rules. Not a production package motor and frame.

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Fog 25 2/20/2019 5:47pm
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ML512 wrote:
That’s not what the OP was referring to. He was stating they were using the 450 engine in the 250/350 frame.
Correct that would be a violation of production rules. Not a production package frame and motor that’s for sale to the public.
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olds cool 2/20/2019 5:54pm
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Wonder which color tent this rumor emanated from?
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Johnny Lock 2/20/2019 5:54pm
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No way KTM is this effing stupid.
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Now I see where the IQ thread came from.
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drt410 wrote:
Also... why would Webb use an engine that has 0 factory equipment experience. The 250,450 have years and years of factory race bike r&d, the 350...
Also... why would Webb use an engine that has 0 factory equipment experience. The 250,450 have years and years of factory race bike r&d, the 350 has none. That wouldnt be a good idea as theyd be starting from square one. Also isnt it legal anyways to use less displacement or do you mean using an engine in a bike it doesnt come in? Why if the 350 is legal wouldnt he just use one?
Did you read the post???
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smashingpumpkins167 2/20/2019 7:11pm
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Wouldn't it be within the rules anyway? Any privateer could go grab a 350 frame with their Feld lime bonus and run the same set up.
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jonesaustin 2/20/2019 7:31pm
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The let him run it!
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AJ565 wrote:
Isn’t the geometry of the 450 and the 350 the same anyways? On the gusset under the header, what did that help with the frame? Did...
Isn’t the geometry of the 450 and the 350 the same anyways?

On the gusset under the header, what did that help with the frame? Did it just make it stiffer or did it help with the twisting of the front end giving it a better feel and front bite?
zehn wrote:
My guess would be increased torsional rigidity.
yes, dare I say it.. like the Aluminium frames (i.e. more rigid).....
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olds cool wrote:
Wonder which color tent this rumor emanated from?
it probably didnt
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RexEasely 2/20/2019 8:01pm
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Whew I thought it would be a rumor about Aldon doping him up
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