2022 MXdN - Team Puerto Rico ???

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7/30/2022 1:56pm Edited Date/Time 8/1/2022 9:33pm
I searched around the the threads regarding the 2022 Motocross des Nations, and I haven't heard anyone mention the Puerto Rico team for this year's race.

This is the closest I've found, they're at the very bottom, but no riders listed.
https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Official-MXoN-2022-entri…

Team P.R. always seem to choose USA mainland riders, so with that, who do think could / would go?? I'm thinking my first pick has to be 3-time veteran MxdN attendee Alex Martin!!! What better way to retire than one last des Nations?!? * Note - Alex raced for Team P.R. in 2013 & 2014, and in 2016 for Team USA

Maybe just utilize Team Muc-Off FXR ClubMX.... Although Filthy Phil is now out, with a bad ulna injury!!!
Send the Brothers Martin, and Marchbanks. Not a bad team at all!

Other fun potentials could be the racers coming out of retirement, racers coming back from injury, current racers that WANT to go - but will not be chosen, or the racers that have previously raced for Puerto Rico...

Potential Nominees, by last name... What's your 3 rider, Team Puerto Rico pick?!?


Anderson
Barcia
Brayton
Chisholm
J. Cooper
Craig
Masterpool - Red Bud Specialist!
Z. Osborne

Pastrana Woohoo
Plessinger
Reed - lol... U.S citizen now? Would he represent USA?!?
Seely
Sipes
Stewart
M. Welton - personal pick, current 'under the radar' racer that's really been doing well!


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Think that they should send their own riders instead of a American B team or some Clown show ala Red Bud 2018.

We all love Travis, Windham and Sipes, but it’s a time and a place for everything. And the best race of the year for us MX fans should be all about riders representing their country. Nothing less, nothing more.
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donman wrote:
I searched around the the threads regarding the 2022 Motocross des Nations, and I haven't heard anyone mention the Puerto Rico team for this year's race...
I searched around the the threads regarding the 2022 Motocross des Nations, and I haven't heard anyone mention the Puerto Rico team for this year's race.

This is the closest I've found, they're at the very bottom, but no riders listed.
https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Official-MXoN-2022-entri…

Team P.R. always seem to choose USA mainland riders, so with that, who do think could / would go?? I'm thinking my first pick has to be 3-time veteran MxdN attendee Alex Martin!!! What better way to retire than one last des Nations?!? * Note - Alex raced for Team P.R. in 2013 & 2014, and in 2016 for Team USA

Maybe just utilize Team Muc-Off FXR ClubMX.... Although Filthy Phil is now out, with a bad ulna injury!!!
Send the Brothers Martin, and Marchbanks. Not a bad team at all!

Other fun potentials could be the racers coming out of retirement, racers coming back from injury, current racers that WANT to go - but will not be chosen, or the racers that have previously raced for Puerto Rico...

Potential Nominees, by last name... What's your 3 rider, Team Puerto Rico pick?!?


Anderson
Barcia
Brayton
Chisholm
J. Cooper
Craig
Masterpool - Red Bud Specialist!
Z. Osborne

Pastrana Woohoo
Plessinger
Reed - lol... U.S citizen now? Would he represent USA?!?
Seely
Sipes
Stewart
M. Welton - personal pick, current 'under the radar' racer that's really been doing well!


Buddy not one person on your list would do it lol nor would I want the ones that might. We should just send the young kids we have for experience like Romano, Hammaker and Levi. Yeah a long shot those teams letting those kids ride 450’s but hey I can dream right
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Team Puerto Rico is a joke . Go away .
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You should not be allowed to ride for 2 different teams ever . Its stupid. Even deano should nt be able to ride for UK imo .he rode for Canada first .
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Tumic wrote:
Think that they should send their own riders instead of a American B team or some Clown show ala Red Bud 2018. We all love Travis...
Think that they should send their own riders instead of a American B team or some Clown show ala Red Bud 2018.

We all love Travis, Windham and Sipes, but it’s a time and a place for everything. And the best race of the year for us MX fans should be all about riders representing their country. Nothing less, nothing more.
Clown show? Obviously you weren't there...they were one of the highlights of the weekend!
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Tumic wrote:
Think that they should send their own riders instead of a American B team or some Clown show ala Red Bud 2018. We all love Travis...
Think that they should send their own riders instead of a American B team or some Clown show ala Red Bud 2018.

We all love Travis, Windham and Sipes, but it’s a time and a place for everything. And the best race of the year for us MX fans should be all about riders representing their country. Nothing less, nothing more.
DonM wrote:
Clown show? Obviously you weren't there...they were one of the highlights of the weekend!
Agreed
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Tumic wrote:
Think that they should send their own riders instead of a American B team or some Clown show ala Red Bud 2018. We all love Travis...
Think that they should send their own riders instead of a American B team or some Clown show ala Red Bud 2018.

We all love Travis, Windham and Sipes, but it’s a time and a place for everything. And the best race of the year for us MX fans should be all about riders representing their country. Nothing less, nothing more.
They legitimately made the main at Red Bud, how were they a clown show?
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DonM wrote:
Clown show? Obviously you weren't there...they were one of the highlights of the weekend!
Call it what you want, but the last thing we need at MxDn is a bunch of retired racers, Ronnie Macs and what ever kind of BS you can come up with on the greatest race of the year. Save that circus for RBSR, moto fite club or some other off season race that nobody cares about.
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Tumic wrote:
Think that they should send their own riders instead of a American B team or some Clown show ala Red Bud 2018. We all love Travis...
Think that they should send their own riders instead of a American B team or some Clown show ala Red Bud 2018.

We all love Travis, Windham and Sipes, but it’s a time and a place for everything. And the best race of the year for us MX fans should be all about riders representing their country. Nothing less, nothing more.




I think everyone's getting the wrong impression of my post - I 100% agree with Maverick, Tumic, and Brimx153 on Puerto Rico should send their own team! It's just been the M.O. for the past decade to send U.S., AMA Nationals riders to represent; I am just basing my opinion on that history. So with that, I absolutely do want to see Alex Martin go one more time!

Otherwise - Let's Go Santiago, Ceballos, and Vargas!!!


I should have just revived sparker245's post…

https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Team-Puerto-Rico-for-MXo…


One more thing, lestat… you go away – Fuktard!







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DonM wrote:
Clown show? Obviously you weren't there...they were one of the highlights of the weekend!
Tumic wrote:
Call it what you want, but the last thing we need at MxDn is a bunch of retired racers, Ronnie Macs and what ever kind of...
Call it what you want, but the last thing we need at MxDn is a bunch of retired racers, Ronnie Macs and what ever kind of BS you can come up with on the greatest race of the year. Save that circus for RBSR, moto fite club or some other off season race that nobody cares about.
Did the 3 of them race their way into qualifying? Yes or No?

Do you also realize that the USA team Decoster sent over and won in 1981 was a B team right?
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Tumic wrote:
Think that they should send their own riders instead of a American B team or some Clown show ala Red Bud 2018. We all love Travis...
Think that they should send their own riders instead of a American B team or some Clown show ala Red Bud 2018.

We all love Travis, Windham and Sipes, but it’s a time and a place for everything. And the best race of the year for us MX fans should be all about riders representing their country. Nothing less, nothing more.
Yeah, I’m sure everyone that flew in to see the race hated Pastrana ripping around on a two stroke and seeing K-Dub on the track again.

IMO they just beat other riders that have no business sharing the same track with the most elite in the sport.
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DonM wrote:
Clown show? Obviously you weren't there...they were one of the highlights of the weekend!
Tumic wrote:
Call it what you want, but the last thing we need at MxDn is a bunch of retired racers, Ronnie Macs and what ever kind of...
Call it what you want, but the last thing we need at MxDn is a bunch of retired racers, Ronnie Macs and what ever kind of BS you can come up with on the greatest race of the year. Save that circus for RBSR, moto fite club or some other off season race that nobody cares about.
Going into the 2018 race I would have agreed with you but being there in person and seeing how they were with the crowd and vice versa and then to see them race into the main races was really a highlight of the entire weekend…that’s why I said you obviously weren’t there….
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Puerto Rican nationalism just doesn’t hit quite as hard when you’re living off subsidies from the US taxpayer
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Team Guam asked Alex a week ago and he said no.
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DonM wrote:
Going into the 2018 race I would have agreed with you but being there in person and seeing how they were with the crowd and vice...
Going into the 2018 race I would have agreed with you but being there in person and seeing how they were with the crowd and vice versa and then to see them race into the main races was really a highlight of the entire weekend…that’s why I said you obviously weren’t there….
To be fair, that was the highlight because our regular team got smoked. Had they won or podiumed, then Puerto Rico would've been an afterthought for the event. That being said, I have no problem with some of our guys racing on that team. And the '18 PR team was awesome and probably was the bright spot for many fans. But let's be honest, this year everyone wants to see USA get payback and get a win. The novelty of team PR is not even on my mind, this time.
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France is a favorite to win and still has talent leftover that I’d like to see race the MXdN. Team Guadeloupe could have been Ferrandis, Musquin, and __ ?
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This team is the biggest joke ever. Sending Americans to ride for a completely different country whom most riders have never even visited. Let Puerto Rico send their own countrymen and if not then so be it. It isn’t America. Shoot, the Puerto Ricans I know don’t want any US involvement anyway…. Time for the US to let them be, moto and non-moto
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Where's hardy Munoz from?
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Where's hardy Munoz from?
Chile. Don't believe they're sending a team to this year's MXoN
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C.Worthy wrote:
This team is the biggest joke ever. Sending Americans to ride for a completely different country whom most riders have never even visited. Let Puerto Rico...
This team is the biggest joke ever. Sending Americans to ride for a completely different country whom most riders have never even visited. Let Puerto Rico send their own countrymen and if not then so be it. It isn’t America. Shoot, the Puerto Ricans I know don’t want any US involvement anyway…. Time for the US to let them be, moto and non-moto
I know it's more complicated and nuanced than what I'm aware of, but it's hard to call US citizens who hold US passports a completely different country.
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C.Worthy wrote:
This team is the biggest joke ever. Sending Americans to ride for a completely different country whom most riders have never even visited. Let Puerto Rico...
This team is the biggest joke ever. Sending Americans to ride for a completely different country whom most riders have never even visited. Let Puerto Rico send their own countrymen and if not then so be it. It isn’t America. Shoot, the Puerto Ricans I know don’t want any US involvement anyway…. Time for the US to let them be, moto and non-moto
davis224 wrote:
I know it's more complicated and nuanced than what I'm aware of, but it's hard to call US citizens who hold US passports a completely different...
I know it's more complicated and nuanced than what I'm aware of, but it's hard to call US citizens who hold US passports a completely different country.
If it’s not a different country then why does it deserve to be in the competition in the first place ? The whole premise is bullshit .
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C.Worthy wrote:
This team is the biggest joke ever. Sending Americans to ride for a completely different country whom most riders have never even visited. Let Puerto Rico...
This team is the biggest joke ever. Sending Americans to ride for a completely different country whom most riders have never even visited. Let Puerto Rico send their own countrymen and if not then so be it. It isn’t America. Shoot, the Puerto Ricans I know don’t want any US involvement anyway…. Time for the US to let them be, moto and non-moto
davis224 wrote:
I know it's more complicated and nuanced than what I'm aware of, but it's hard to call US citizens who hold US passports a completely different...
I know it's more complicated and nuanced than what I'm aware of, but it's hard to call US citizens who hold US passports a completely different country.
lestat wrote:
If it’s not a different country then why does it deserve to be in the competition in the first place ? The whole premise is bullshit...
If it’s not a different country then why does it deserve to be in the competition in the first place ? The whole premise is bullshit .
That's a fair question to ask
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C.Worthy wrote:
This team is the biggest joke ever. Sending Americans to ride for a completely different country whom most riders have never even visited. Let Puerto Rico...
This team is the biggest joke ever. Sending Americans to ride for a completely different country whom most riders have never even visited. Let Puerto Rico send their own countrymen and if not then so be it. It isn’t America. Shoot, the Puerto Ricans I know don’t want any US involvement anyway…. Time for the US to let them be, moto and non-moto
davis224 wrote:
I know it's more complicated and nuanced than what I'm aware of, but it's hard to call US citizens who hold US passports a completely different...
I know it's more complicated and nuanced than what I'm aware of, but it's hard to call US citizens who hold US passports a completely different country.
Yea to keep it short it’s a US territory. The only reason they’re US citizens is due to US imperialism. They’re primary language isn’t even English nor are their foods and culture anything similar to the US mainland. So I just find it weird we send US riders to ride for a “US Territory” where the riders can’t even speak the primary language from the place their riding for. Bizarre deal.
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DonM wrote:
Clown show? Obviously you weren't there...they were one of the highlights of the weekend!
Tumic wrote:
Call it what you want, but the last thing we need at MxDn is a bunch of retired racers, Ronnie Macs and what ever kind of...
Call it what you want, but the last thing we need at MxDn is a bunch of retired racers, Ronnie Macs and what ever kind of BS you can come up with on the greatest race of the year. Save that circus for RBSR, moto fite club or some other off season race that nobody cares about.
DonM wrote:
Going into the 2018 race I would have agreed with you but being there in person and seeing how they were with the crowd and vice...
Going into the 2018 race I would have agreed with you but being there in person and seeing how they were with the crowd and vice versa and then to see them race into the main races was really a highlight of the entire weekend…that’s why I said you obviously weren’t there….
Agree... For me, I was proud of the cause. I didn't expect much on the track. But they built houses, repaired roofs and infrastructure and had a significant positive effect on Puerto Rico. If they present a team with American riders, it must follow this path in my opinion. Once the racing got underway and we saw the response from the fans on the sighting laps, I knew it was a good thing they were there.


Also, in my opinion, it shouldn't be factory riders. Send only privateers. If other countries MX riders and fans are pissed because they got beat by a flat track racer or a GNCC racer, or a guy retired for years, maybe you should work on getting faster MX racers...

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C.Worthy wrote:
This team is the biggest joke ever. Sending Americans to ride for a completely different country whom most riders have never even visited. Let Puerto Rico...
This team is the biggest joke ever. Sending Americans to ride for a completely different country whom most riders have never even visited. Let Puerto Rico send their own countrymen and if not then so be it. It isn’t America. Shoot, the Puerto Ricans I know don’t want any US involvement anyway…. Time for the US to let them be, moto and non-moto
davis224 wrote:
I know it's more complicated and nuanced than what I'm aware of, but it's hard to call US citizens who hold US passports a completely different...
I know it's more complicated and nuanced than what I'm aware of, but it's hard to call US citizens who hold US passports a completely different country.
C.Worthy wrote:
Yea to keep it short it’s a US territory. The only reason they’re US citizens is due to US imperialism. They’re primary language isn’t even English...
Yea to keep it short it’s a US territory. The only reason they’re US citizens is due to US imperialism. They’re primary language isn’t even English nor are their foods and culture anything similar to the US mainland. So I just find it weird we send US riders to ride for a “US Territory” where the riders can’t even speak the primary language from the place their riding for. Bizarre deal.
To be fair, language, food, and culture vary wildly across the country. You'll find lots of different stuff in Indiana, Louisiana, Maine, Socal, Hawaii, and Alaska.
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At least Pastrana is part Puerto Rican, his grandpa is from Puerto Rico I believe. The one year Tarah Geiger raced too.
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davis224 wrote:
I know it's more complicated and nuanced than what I'm aware of, but it's hard to call US citizens who hold US passports a completely different...
I know it's more complicated and nuanced than what I'm aware of, but it's hard to call US citizens who hold US passports a completely different country.
C.Worthy wrote:
Yea to keep it short it’s a US territory. The only reason they’re US citizens is due to US imperialism. They’re primary language isn’t even English...
Yea to keep it short it’s a US territory. The only reason they’re US citizens is due to US imperialism. They’re primary language isn’t even English nor are their foods and culture anything similar to the US mainland. So I just find it weird we send US riders to ride for a “US Territory” where the riders can’t even speak the primary language from the place their riding for. Bizarre deal.
davis224 wrote:
To be fair, language, food, and culture vary wildly across the country. You'll find lots of different stuff in Indiana, Louisiana, Maine, Socal, Hawaii, and Alaska.
Sure culture varies differently state to state, even city to city but if you think that’s comparable to a different country owned by another country then you’re far from correct. Puerto Rico is nothing like the US, the only similarity is currency and passport, I’ve been. Can you name me one state whose primary language is Spanish? I’m very lucky to have been able to travel extensively in Latin America and Caribbean countries and I can assure you the culture is extremely different than the US and American riders have nothing to represent for these people and nations albeit a similar currency and passport. Again, it’s ridiculous for mainland riders to represent a foreign country even if the US claims ownership. Wack.
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haha, please no, its just ridiculous! Feels like cheating, but I guess americans don´t care as long as they are the ones doing it.
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I've written it here for years now - this needs to stop.

To me, it's for Sovereign Nations with their Citizens or Full Time Residents racing for it.

Yes, over the years you've had quite a few riders ride for different nations - a common one was Belgian riders riding for Luxemburg in the years that Belgians had such a Huge presence in GPs. I think other nations riders may have ridden for Luxemburg - and, other countries teams. Notable US riders being in European Teams are Trampas Parker, for Italy, and I think Billy Liles rode for Luxemburg or Italy.

But this US 'extras' team BS needs to stop. I can only think it's a thing that Luongo / the FIM have continued to allow because that it , at times, can bring more publicity to the event. Or, just more in entry fees.

There's a few of countries that could play this game. And ones with plenty of High End riders to spare. France is one, with, probably, at least 3 or more 'territories' in the Pacific and Indian Oceans to load riders into, if they chose to. Heck, even Australia has a few Island 'territories' we could put in, if MA decided to. But, MA are not particularly inclined to put much money into our Legitimate team. I think the USA has a few more territories they could put to use apart from PR.


I've always wondered about the financing of the PR team. Besides the riders / their sponsors, I would think, fronting up a large, or complete part of their expenses, is there a 'Sugar Daddy' or some such behind it. I would be surprised if the PR Motorcycle Racing Federation would be highly monied up.


To repeat : One Team, for each Sovereign Nation, with its Citizens or Permanent residents riding in it. Nothing more. Anything else, is BS.
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