FAA National Ground Stop

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Edited Date/Time 10 hours ago

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APLMAN99
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I picked up my dad at the airport yesterday afternoon.  Good thing it didn't happen then because he is about 99% deaf and is not exactly tech savvy.  He can't really hear very well when he does get a call and it would have been very difficult communicating with him to coordinate alternate plans.  

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TalinH112
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Sounds like it is a nationwide radar outage, also effecting the National Weather System. 

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CNN says "communications" issue... 

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Well, CNN being the leader in communications issues. 

 

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Does this mess with the Space X launch today?

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Just a small preview of what AI has in store for us in the future. 

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Reese95w
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Josh422 wrote:

Does this mess with the Space X launch today?

It clears the skies for SpaceX!

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Sounds like radar is back. 

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I'm stuck in Denver because of this. Why is there zero redundancy in this new "software"?

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Yeah, bullshit. I’m not sure what is going on, but I’m sure it’s not that. You don’t ground every single aircraft  in the country over a computer glitch. 

The computer glitch narrative is to keep the sheep from losing their fucking minds!

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You seem like you’re damn near giddy.

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ShellyMX wrote:

You seem like you’re damn near giddy.

When software is designed, programmers understand how it works, and can fault find any issues.

AI is a black box, when it faults nobody understands why it faulted, how can they solve any issues?

It's funny there are fools who thought this was a good idea.

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Can’t argue with you on that.

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   They said the new equipment overwhelmed the old networks. And lots of other words to try and put the focus on a lack of funding.   A large amount of data  on the network caused the issues . They are blaming it on a lack of funding . But why would they add the new equipment that they knew would increase the amount of data transmitted on an aging network. If the network was unable to handle such an increase.   Its like putting the horse before the cart.     

 

Maybe  using an AI system that drastically increases the amount of data that is transmitted on the network was not the best idea.  Like modern appliances in an older house that's just not wired for the power needed.

 

 I'm just glad that nobody was hurt, and hopefully non of the delays cause any major issues with medications that people may need while stranded. 

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So Microsoft shuts down yesterday, and air travel today.

Ah, probably nothing.... Just a coincidence...

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Found the issue…Screenshot 2026-11-13 at 7.06.46%E2%80%AFPM.png?VersionId=

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Thus science marches on blindly, without regard to the real welfare of the human race or to any other standard, obedient only to the psychological needs of the scientists and of the government officials and corporation executives who provide the funds for research....

When a new item of technology is introduced as an option that an individual can accept or not as he chooses, it does not necessarily REMAIN optional. In many cases the new technology changes society in such a way that people eventually find themselves FORCED to use it....

it will take a long and difficult period of trial and error for the technophiles to work the bugs out of their Brave New World (if they every do). In the meantime there will be great suffering. So it is not at all clear that the survival of industrial society would involve less suffering than the breakdown of that society would. Technology has gotten the human race into a fix from which there is not likely to be any easy escape.

First let us postulate that the computer scientists succeed in developing intelligent machines that can do all things better than human beings can do them. In that case presumably all work will be done by vast, highly organized systems of machines and no human effort will be necessary. Either of two cases might occur. The machines might be permitted to make all of their own decisions without human oversight, or else human control over the machines might be retained.

If the machines are permitted to make all their own decisions, we can’t make any conjectures as to the results, because it is impossible to guess how such machines might behave. We only point out that the fate of the human race would be at the mercy of the machines. It might be argued that the human race would never be foolish enough to hand over all power to the machines. But we are suggesting neither that the human race would voluntarily turn power over to the machines nor that the machines would willfully seize power. What we do suggest is that the human race might easily permit itself to drift into a position of such dependence on the machines that it would have no practical choice but to accept all of the machines’ decisions. As society and the problems that face it become more and more complex and as machines become more and more intelligent, people will let machines make more and more of their decisions for them, simply because machine-made decisions will bring better results than man-made ones.

At that stage the machines will be in effective control. (fr) People won’t be able to just turn the machine off, because they will be so dependent on them that turning them off would amount to suicide.

it is possible that human control over the machines may be retained. in that case the average man may have control over certain private machines of his own, such as his car or his personal computer, but control over large systems of machines will be in the hands of a tiny elite — just as it is today, but with two differences. Due to improved techniques the elite will have greater control over the masses; and because human work will no longer be necessary the masses will be superfluous, a useless burden on the system. If the elite is ruthless they may simply decide to exterminate the mass of humanity. If they are humane they may use propaganda or other psychological or biological techniques to reduce the birth rate until the mass of humanity becomes extinct, leaving the world to the elite. Or, if the elite consists of soft-hearted liberals, they may decide to play the role of good shepherds to the rest of the human race. They will see to it that everyone’s physical needs are satisfied, that all children are raised under psychologically hygienic conditions, that everyone has a wholesome hobby to keep him busy, and that anyone who may become dissatisfied undergoes “treatment” to cure his “problem.” Of course, life will be so purposeless that people will have to be biologically or psychologically engineered either to remove their need for the power process or to make them “sublimate” their drive for power into some harmless hobby. These engineered human beings may be happy in such a society, but they most certainly will not be free. They will have been reduced to the status of domestic animals.

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"It might be argued that the human race would never be foolish enough to hand over all power to the machines."

That's my favorite part. Crazy guy couldn't even imagine us being so stupid.... 

Everyone have a nice weekend!!

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Thus science marches on blindly, without regard to the real welfare of the human race or to any other standard, obedient only to the psychological needs...

Thus science marches on blindly, without regard to the real welfare of the human race or to any other standard, obedient only to the psychological needs of the scientists and of the government officials and corporation executives who provide the funds for research....

When a new item of technology is introduced as an option that an individual can accept or not as he chooses, it does not necessarily REMAIN optional. In many cases the new technology changes society in such a way that people eventually find themselves FORCED to use it....

it will take a long and difficult period of trial and error for the technophiles to work the bugs out of their Brave New World (if they every do). In the meantime there will be great suffering. So it is not at all clear that the survival of industrial society would involve less suffering than the breakdown of that society would. Technology has gotten the human race into a fix from which there is not likely to be any easy escape.

First let us postulate that the computer scientists succeed in developing intelligent machines that can do all things better than human beings can do them. In that case presumably all work will be done by vast, highly organized systems of machines and no human effort will be necessary. Either of two cases might occur. The machines might be permitted to make all of their own decisions without human oversight, or else human control over the machines might be retained.

If the machines are permitted to make all their own decisions, we can’t make any conjectures as to the results, because it is impossible to guess how such machines might behave. We only point out that the fate of the human race would be at the mercy of the machines. It might be argued that the human race would never be foolish enough to hand over all power to the machines. But we are suggesting neither that the human race would voluntarily turn power over to the machines nor that the machines would willfully seize power. What we do suggest is that the human race might easily permit itself to drift into a position of such dependence on the machines that it would have no practical choice but to accept all of the machines’ decisions. As society and the problems that face it become more and more complex and as machines become more and more intelligent, people will let machines make more and more of their decisions for them, simply because machine-made decisions will bring better results than man-made ones.

At that stage the machines will be in effective control. (fr) People won’t be able to just turn the machine off, because they will be so dependent on them that turning them off would amount to suicide.

it is possible that human control over the machines may be retained. in that case the average man may have control over certain private machines of his own, such as his car or his personal computer, but control over large systems of machines will be in the hands of a tiny elite — just as it is today, but with two differences. Due to improved techniques the elite will have greater control over the masses; and because human work will no longer be necessary the masses will be superfluous, a useless burden on the system. If the elite is ruthless they may simply decide to exterminate the mass of humanity. If they are humane they may use propaganda or other psychological or biological techniques to reduce the birth rate until the mass of humanity becomes extinct, leaving the world to the elite. Or, if the elite consists of soft-hearted liberals, they may decide to play the role of good shepherds to the rest of the human race. They will see to it that everyone’s physical needs are satisfied, that all children are raised under psychologically hygienic conditions, that everyone has a wholesome hobby to keep him busy, and that anyone who may become dissatisfied undergoes “treatment” to cure his “problem.” Of course, life will be so purposeless that people will have to be biologically or psychologically engineered either to remove their need for the power process or to make them “sublimate” their drive for power into some harmless hobby. These engineered human beings may be happy in such a society, but they most certainly will not be free. They will have been reduced to the status of domestic animals.

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I'm stuck in Denver because of this. Why is there zero redundancy in this new "software"?

My youngest is flying from Nashville to Abilene, Tx tomorrow morning. I really hope they get most of you delayed flyers taken care of before his scheduled launch time. 

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Reese95w
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At night, looking north from my deck in Kent WA, I can see the lights of planes coming into SeaTac Airport.  Now at 9:09 PM PST the approach traffic seems back to normal.

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ShellyMX
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Yep, looks like things are back to normal in the worlds busiest airport here.

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Rode down by Camp Pendleton today, (it's sandstone and ridable when everywhere else is a mud pit) First time that we've gone down there and didn't see one plane, tank, helicopter, troups, nothing. It was like a ghost town. I'm pretty sure they were around just not as out in the open as usual. The only thing we saw flying was one Coast Guard helicopter. 

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