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I thought they said it was a Learjet.
Almost sounds like a missile. Didn't stand a chance.
Learjet has become a generic term apparently.
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If a Lear 60 took an AA missile hit…
It would come like confetti.
Sounds like rapid icing beyond the de-icing capabilities of the aircraft’s systems…
I’m pretty sure we’ve got someone in here that’s type rated for the 60…& when he’s up to it..if…someday…he’s up to it…
He can explain this to us &…most likely…tell us how preventable this was…
Which is truly the saddest aspect of all of this.
RIP and condolences to all the friends & families.
Correct, very poor flight crew decisions
Another YT from jeffostroff on this :
I’ve never flown a 60, but I’m typed in the 45. Not quite the same, but not far off.
I’m not going to speculate on this. There are a lot of things for the investigation to figure out
Very sad I’m praying for those lost and their families.
Actually that not a real photo, the T part of the tail on that is intact. It wasn’t not intact in the real image. Someone tried to enhance the original video blurred image.
You can't tell from the original video if the tail is intact or not, the left wing is not visible in the frame below...
but is visible in the next frame...
The horizontal stabilizers may not be visible due to the clouds and to poor image quality, or they may have detached.
Experienced pilot Jeff Gregory, 55, and co-pilot Nathalia Gadelha Filgueiras, 20, have been identified as the two pilots who lost their lives in Sunday's Learjet 60 crash in Palm Beach County, Florida.
Gregory, from Gilbertsville, Pennsylvania, had dreamed of becoming a pilot since childhood. He began flight training in the 1990s and went on to build a career in aviation, including working for the Pennsylvania-based charter company East Coast Jets in 2016 and 2017.
A childhood friend remembered him as "very diligent and dependable." Gregory leaves behind his wife, Cheryl, and their three children.
His co-pilot, Nathalia, earned her private pilot's license at 17, before obtaining her driver's license. According to her family, she had accumulated more than 1,300 flight hours by the age of 20.
The two were flying Learjet 60 N722BD from Austin, Texas, to the Bahamas on November 1 when the aircraft encountered turbulence and icing conditions before entering a rapid descent.
All nine people aboard lost their lives.
The seven passengers have also been identified by their families. They included Adam Robinson, 45, his wife Helen Sharp, their children Emma, 4, and Charlie, 2, family friends Rachael Reed and Charmi Fehr, and Anita Maria Cetina, who helped care for the children.
During a November 2 briefing, the NTSB revealed that investigators had found evidence suggesting parts of the aircraft may have separated before impact. However, the cause of the crash remains unknown.
Our deepest condolences go out to the families and loved ones of all nine people aboard.
May they rest in peace. 🕊️
...and he waited until the initial NTSB findings to drop the video. With all the crap on Youtube...Juan is the one to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03wk6hVbd7o
The crew had previously deviated significantly for weather in central and south Florida. A convective SIGMET was also issued, which is not uncommon for Florida. Why they initiated a turn directly into a rapidly developing storm remains a mystery.
The 60 has sophisticated weather radar that requires experience to operate properly. The investigation will focus not only the crew’s flight time in the 60 but the preflight briefing. Task delegation is imperative in high performance aircraft with 2 pilot requirements. The pilot in command is responsible for having full awareness of the FO’s capabilities. Relying solely on experience and ATC can and does lead to catastrophic results.
Weather was a known concern, the crew had flight path discretion, and the 60’s radar could easily detect a large storm. The crew did everything right, until they didn’t.
People already throwing out conspiracies regarding the passengers on this plane. 🤦🏻 Sad.
I always think (worry) about you when I hear there's a crash. Stay safe brother man.
Is it possible that there could have been a malfunction in the electronics that kept them from fully knowing what sort of a storm they were going into? No idea how those weather electronic systems work, but it does sound crazy that they would intentionally avoid weather prior to this, then intentionally jump into the mouth of the lion on that one.
At this point most of the talk is speculation but experienced pilots like yourself at least have some sense of perspective of what the pilots may have been thinking.
One thing that pops into my mind is that perhaps, like the Kobe Bryant helicopter crash, the pilots felt a little bit coerced to meet a timeline by the person chartering the aircraft. I know that they shouldn’t, but it’s happened before and there doesn’t sound like a lot of other reasons for them to go into the storm.
Just a spitball. I don’t think that would be very easy to prove unless there’s a recorder that has them discussing it found.
Thanks, PB, that means a lot!
The Good Lord and the yellow streak down my back has kept me alive so far.
I’d imagine the crew would share an avionics issue with ATC and request weather vectoring. I’m not sure if they were in IMC when making the turn east. The supercell was very dense and would have appeared on even the most rudimentary radar. Assuming the crew knew how to operate that radar.
Back to aircrew coordination: large variances in flight time can make a junior FO hesitant to correct the PIC. Did that happen here? Unknown, but flight training can vary wildly, and a solid program instills the confidence to speak up if you’re getting red flags. Not all flight hours are created equally.
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Maybe , but it does look to me like in both those pictures that the horizontal stabilizer is not there. The vertical stabilizer is. Clouds aren’t an issue in my opinion, but it’s my opinion.
I've noticed this about every major event in recent history. It sucks, but it is understandable - lots of doubt about reporting integrity leads to lots of doubt about simple truths. You're right; it's sad.
This....
Fishy at the very least.... like I got up n the morning and crystal clear vid was everywhere.... and then, no debris??? None??? Come on now....
I wanna know which ultra rich person was supposed to be on there that needed to disappear....
Sad how??? The media is run by the monsters we call the epstein class... if we are seeing it, it's for their gain, not to keep us a better informed public...
Let’s stay on topic, shall we?
LL
Notes someone put together from the NTSB press briefing.
NTSB Briefing 2 Notes:
Q & A
i made the mistake of listening to the transmission with the co-pilot before i even knew that it was a crash.
also now they're saying there was a married couple with their 2 toddlers and nanny on the jet... fucking heart-breaking.
They found the pieces of the tail section...in areas 2-4 miles away.
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/off-topic/1499916-lear-jet-crash-in-west-palm-beach-3.html
Capt. Steve (good info) says this plane apparently did NOT have a Flight Data Recorder...Cockpit Voice Recorder only. Unless the crew said something and the CVR is recoverable...we may never know the exact cause. I suspect massive icing.
The media has certainly been effective at keeping some folks uninformed...
I have a question about the captain. Maybe someone could answer that knows about this type of thing. How come it was the Co Pilot was doing all the communicating with air traffic control? Is that normal procedure ?
From what I've heard, the pilot that is not flying is the one that normally communicates. So its a normal thing . I was wondering who was flying and that was the answer I found.
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