A few months ago a fire was started on July 4 very near where I grew up. It ended up burning 19 homes and over 100 structures total, while burning just about 10K acres.
The worst part? A man was found burned to death in his car. It was my uncle's (who died about 5-6 months ago and his house was lost just 5 days before the new owners were set to close on it) neighbor and the thought is that he went back to get family pictures as his wife had recently passed away as well.
The area was under a complete fire ban and fireworks were also banned.
No mercy in this prosecution!
Same punishment as driving drunk and killing someone?
Dang...kids being kids...probably didn't mean any real harm by it, and didn't even thing of the consequences...but holy smokes that was a stupid thing to do.
We almost lost our first house. By almost, I mean one ridge over is where it started. So, maybe not “almost” but in the moment I had sprinklers going and bags packing. We were scared. Kids shooting green propane bottles.
That's a tough one. When I was a kid a bunch of of us schoolmates were riding around town in the back of our pick-ups having a rotten egg war. One of the gals was driving her mom's caddy and the windshield got smashed. We all chipped in and paid for repairs and the football coach made sure we suffered excessively.
This is way worse of course because of the horrendous consequences. We were lucky. I feel for those kids but they're probably gonna have to do some time. How much time will depend on how remorseful the judge thinks they are...and if they have prior records. It's a bad fucking deal.
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The most accurate/correct punishment is what would most likely amount to a lifetime of restitution, plus manslaughter. It would probably ruin their lives and maybe turn them into "real" criminals, but that fact shouldn't influence justice.
And my personal opinion is that if you can't get through life without killing someone else, you should be humanly euthanized. Sorry, you tried, but life just isn't for everyone.
they could be shipped to Putin as recruits for his "Meat Grinder"
And if the perps are juveniles, the parents should also pay a price for their failure.
The charges seem appropriate but I would want to know many more details before passing any kind of judgement. Prosecution also has to prove their actions started the fire. Anybody that just bites off on anything one of these news programs say needs look at their track record for stuff like this. It's abysmal. They can fuck up a baseball score.
You have to send a message ....
There are Concenquences for your actions.
Whoops doesn't cut it.
Who says it was their actions? The news spokesholes? Ever heard of a trial?
Couple of the comments from YouTube. I tend to agree.
Some of the people in this thread is exactly why I am against the death penalty. JFK!
You are correct , cant prove it was solely them or if they were involved at all...
Accidents happen !
( I was being sarcastic )....
Hard post to make. Well done.
The time and location of the start of the fire are consistent with when and where the video was taken. I think that there were more people involved who were firing off fireworks from vehicles, though. There were at least 2 cars of the same group of friends involved.
The YouTube comment about other fireworks in the background is inaccurate, I think. If it’s referring to the red and blue lights, those are basically Christmas decoration lights that that particular house has been using for years and years.
16 years and 1 day ago my cousin died in a car accident. I was the driver. I guess I deserved to die with him?
How rich are the families? That will give you an idea what will happen to them.
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The cause and location of the fire origin will be determined. They'll be able to figure out with strong confidence how it started and by whose fireworks, if that was indeed the cause. If it was the kids' fault, then they will be in a world of hurt, but they're not facing 1st-degree murder; that's premeditated, with intent to kill. 2nd degree murder or arson are even unlikely to stick. Manslaughter, gross negligence and reckless burning are more probable. I'm no lawyer, but those are my educated guesses.
Dude, that’s heavy. Very sorry to hear this. I’m sure you’ve had to have some therapy to deal with that.
Do we all remember The Eagle Creek fire from Sep 2017 that burned on the Oregon side of the Columbia river east of Portland? The fire was started by a 15 year old shooting off fireworks during a burn ban.
Wikipedia explained his punishment as such. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_Creek_Fire
The teen was sentenced in February 2018 to five years of probation and 1,920 hours of community service with the U.S. Forest Service. He also was ordered to write apology letters to 152 people trapped on the Eagle Creek trail because of the spreading flames, the city of Cascade Locks, the Forest Service, Oregon State Parks, the Oregon Department of Transportation, the Confederated Tribes of Warm Springs, the Columbia River Intertribal Fish Commission and many others.
On May 21, 2018, a judge ordered the 15-year old to pay more than $36 million in restitution, which includes more than $21 million on behalf of the U.S. Forest Service, $12.5 million to the Oregon Department of Transportation, more than $1.6 million to the Oregon State Fire Marshal, more than $1 million to Union Pacific Railroad and varying amounts to Oregon State Parks, Allstate Insurance and a woman who lost her home in the fire.[4] The judge ruled the teenager could set up a payment plan, which could be halted without paying the fine in full after 10 years, as long as he completed his five years of probation and did not commit any other crimes.
Charge stacking. “We are going to charge you with the utmost crimes, to surely get you to plead to something”.
They might beat the case, but they won’t beat the ride………
Your kids are all perfect?
They never do anything stupid when you aren't watching despite your best efforts to teach them right from wrong?
“Takes a Village to raise a child”.
So by his train of thought, the entire community should be charged?
Wasn’t it the fireworks fault?
My dad had something very similar happen. He was driving and the car's headlights went out, dark night with no moon, etc. He was 18 and his best friend since the age of 7 or so decided that he was going to ride on the front fender and 'guide' them down a twisty road. On the hairpin near the bottom, the friend didn't see or at least didn't say anything until after the car had went over the edge of the road, and the car rolled several time down about 100 feet. His friend was thrown from the car and hit his head on a rock, died instantly the officials said. My mom (mom and dad were only dating at that time, and she was thrown from the car and the car rolled over her but the injuries weren't life threatening. The other girl in the car was unhurt, as was my dad. Dad wasn't prosecuted, I think because the family of the young man believed that he had talked dad into continuing down the hill and if they would have stayed on the road without any lights, they thought they would have been hit by another car.
He doesn't talk about it much if at all anymore, but every Memorial Day when he goes to the family cemetery to decorate the graves of our passed family members, he always spends a fair amount of quiet time at his grave and never forgets to leave decorations as if he were part of the family.
Should he have been prosecuted? Maybe. I could definitely understand if he had been. But I think it was the family of the young man who had the major influence on him not being charged with anything.
Man, that’s horrible. How did your dad deal with that? Sorry to hear that. Sounds like the young man’s family were solid people.
Do we all remember the Amish school shooting? https://lancasterpa.com/amish/amish-forgiveness/
... In the midst of their grief over this shocking loss, the Amish community didn’t cast blame, they didn’t point fingers, they didn’t hold a press conference with attorneys at their sides. Instead, they reached out with grace and compassion toward the killer’s family.
The afternoon of the shooting an Amish grandfather of one of the girls who was killed expressed forgiveness toward the killer, Charles Roberts. That same day Amish neighbors visited the Roberts family to comfort them in their sorrow and pain...
I don't know about how he actually dealt with it immediately afterwards, I wasn't born for a couple more years. I first remember hearing about it when I asked why we were visiting that grave sometime about age 6 or 7.
I think he's always carried a lot of guilt about it over the last 64-65 years. It sounds like everyone understood that Dad was much more conservative than his friend, who was the impulsive one and the one that wanted to get down the hill without the lights. But I think that the incident was one of the main drivers behind my Dad always driving home the idea of thinking about unforeseen consequences as much as you can, and that it's better to tell your friend group "no" than to deal with the consequences later, especially when you know it's a bad idea. He wouldn't talk about the accident when he was talking about those things, but now as an adult I am absolutely certain that it was deeply on his mind while he was doing it.
Yeah, survivors guilt was the first thing that came to mind. Your dad sounds like a stand up guy.
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